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06-28-2011, 03:13 PM
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Soberg selected sixth overall by Swift Current in the CHL Import Draft.

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06-29-2011, 10:45 AM
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Very confused. Baffled by your implosion reading this thread nearly a week later. After the last of the trades friday i figured the draft was irrelevant, and I've been pleasantly surprised to see what caliber of guys we added to our system. The FO did a very nice job collecting some long shot options on day 2. I have no idea what you're on about in regards to that, and in particular, a 7th rounder. Reminds me of some guys blowing their stacks because the Wiz took Mack, over a 105 pound 7 foot shooting specialist named David Bertans, and a master of not living up to the hype in Tyler Honeycutt instead, as if NBA 2nd rounders, suddenly have changed from having a failure rate of 85-90%, to being locks. 8-9 out of every 10 2nd rounders in the draft in the NBA never make it to a second contract, or fail entirely to even make it onto an NBA bench at any point in their career, to even get a guy that can stick is a great thing, and Mack is likely just that (though admittedly, i liked the two guys i joked about above, more). NHL 7th rounders? What's their failure rate? 90-95%? Who gives a damn.

And for the record, I'm pretty sure the scouting staff can figure out if a player has projectable tools to someday, maybe, be able to make it, scouting is not as easy as watching the tele, or watching from the stands, and saying, "That guy blows, that guy's a badarse". It's why we're talking shop here, rather than employed doing it.

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Dunno what's already been up in this thread (or forum) but Soberg is close to getting a contract with championship winning Färjestad in SEL (where both Marcus Johansson and Mattias Sjögren came from).

He will be the 3rd goalie and play in the junior team with Erik Granqvist as his goalie coach. The same guy who turned both Jonas Gustavsson and Henrik Karlsson from being unknown to NHL-players in very short time. He last season helped upcoming Chicago keeper Alexander Salák.

So this is very good news for u guys. The deal isn't completed yet tho.

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06-29-2011, 11:11 AM
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Dunno what's already been up in this thread (or forum) but Soberg is close to getting a contract with championship winning Färjestad in SEL (where both Marcus Johansson and Mattias Sjögren came from).

He will be the 3rd goalie and play in the junior team with Erik Granqvist as his goalie coach. The same guy who turned both Jonas Gustavsson and Henrik Karlsson from being unknown to NHL-players in very short time. He last season helped upcoming Chicago keeper Alexander Salák.

So this is very good news for u guys. The deal isn't completed yet tho.
I wonder if he's talked to the caps yet prior to making this decision (no pun intended).

Cause Prior seemed pretty clear that he preferred the CHL as it was best for his development.

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Dunno what's already been up in this thread (or forum) but Soberg is close to getting a contract with championship winning Färjestad in SEL (where both Marcus Johansson and Mattias Sjögren came from).

He will be the 3rd goalie and play in the junior team with Erik Granqvist as his goalie coach. The same guy who turned both Jonas Gustavsson and Henrik Karlsson from being unknown to NHL-players in very short time. He last season helped upcoming Chicago keeper Alexander Salák.

So this is very good news for u guys. The deal isn't completed yet tho.
I think that was the situation before the NHL draft. Now he's been drafted by a CHL team too. It'll be interesting to see which one he chooses.

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shawnmullin: Just talked to @SCBroncos Coach/GM Mark Lamb and in case there was any question, Steffen Soberg is committed to come to Swift in the fall.

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Ummmmm, again, it has nothing to do with where he's ranked after his draft year. Plenty of guys look better before their draft years and don't progress, resulting in a rankings drop.

I really don't know what kind of point you're trying to make with this.
When a player drops significantly in his draft year that tends to mean he has no future, that he has peaked early in his career. Most great underage junior players are no where near being effective NHL players or pros. Angelo Esposito was supposed to be another super star from Canada and his stock dropped in his draft year. Pittsburgh drafted him 20th and thought they were getting a steal. Today, there are 7th round picks from that draft that I'm sure Pittsburgh would be happy to trade straight up for Angelo.* He peaked early and he'll be lucky if he ever plays a game in the NHL. Ambroz is slow and I don't know how a player who has relied on physical development in juniors could overcome that deficiency in the NHL. That is what the scouts and teams realized and why he plummeted in the draft. We'll see I guess.

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To get the chance to work with the best goalie coach in Europe will only do good for him. We already got some other norwegians in our team too.
Being 17 and going from the norweigan league straight over to NA will be a huuuge step.

He shud atleast take 1 year in SEL. But that's just my opinion.

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Very confused. Baffled by your implosion reading this thread nearly a week later. After the last of the trades friday i figured the draft was irrelevant, and I've been pleasantly surprised to see what caliber of guys we added to our system. The FO did a very nice job collecting some long shot options on day 2. I have no idea what you're on about in regards to that, and in particular, a 7th rounder. Reminds me of some guys blowing their stacks because the Wiz took Mack, over a 105 pound 7 foot shooting specialist named David Bertans, and a master of not living up to the hype in Tyler Honeycutt instead, as if NBA 2nd rounders, suddenly have changed from having a failure rate of 85-90%, to being locks. 8-9 out of every 10 2nd rounders in the draft in the NBA never make it to a second contract, or fail entirely to even make it onto an NBA bench at any point in their career, to even get a guy that can stick is a great thing, and Mack is likely just that (though admittedly, i liked the two guys i joked about above, more). NHL 7th rounders? What's their failure rate? 90-95%? Who gives a damn.

And for the record, I'm pretty sure the scouting staff can figure out if a player has projectable tools to someday, maybe, be able to make it, scouting is not as easy as watching the tele, or watching from the stands, and saying, "That guy blows, that guy's a badarse". It's why we're talking shop here, rather than employed doing it.
RealGM?

Once something gains momentum there (e.g., Vesely has no hands or skills) it takes off and seemingly the whole board runs with it.

I frankly don't know how any Caps fan could have such a passionate reaction either way to this draft at all. It's 4 late round picks. Odds are, they won't even get a guy that's in major NA pro hockey after his ELC.

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Russian scout on whether they would take Redwings 7th round pick Marchenko or Caps 2nd rounder Orlov: Marchenko easily

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Russian scout on whether they would take Redwings 7th round pick Marchenko or Caps 2nd rounder Orlov: Marchenko easily
I'm not sure how to respond to this.

One scout believes a 7th rounder is better than Orlov?

Okay?

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Russian scout on whether they would take Redwings 7th round pick Marchenko or Caps 2nd rounder Orlov: Marchenko easily
I'll take the one that's already committed to playing in NA.

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RealGM?

Once something gains momentum there (e.g., Vesely has no hands or skills) it takes off and seemingly the whole board runs with it.

I frankly don't know how any Caps fan could have such a passionate reaction either way to this draft at all. It's 4 late round picks. Odds are, they won't even get a guy that's in major NA pro hockey after his ELC.
Hence me not even looking at who we drafted until five days later. That being said, I was definitely pleasantly surprised with the goalie and the defensemen. Don't know enough about the other guys, but both of these guys look like a better than average slot (from their round selection) to actually make it. I would still bet at a 70/30 odds, that none of them become relevant, but i was expecting odds to be 85/15, to me we did much better than I expected.

As for Realgm, i enjoy the debate, don't really like the hubris of some of the posters, but i have not found a better site for reading posts on the latest regarding the boulez. I enjoy it, I just don't like the inflexibility, than again I can get pretty strident about the redskins on my fav board for that and on the inimitable worthlessness of Bob Bradley (been posting on that topic since he was hired 5 and a half years ago) over at bigsoccer.

I guess I'm just excited considering i expected absolutely nothing from this draft, and now I feel like at worst, we got decent depth for our organization at the minor league level, and a genuine chance to actually have landed at least one and possibly two guys that might actually wear a capitals sweater someday even if only for 10-100 games. A lot more than i expected all things considered.

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I just wanted to say kudos to whoever named this thread. I always get a decent chuckle everytime I read it.

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...Lockhart watched all seven rounds go by on the internet without hearing his name called.

However not long afterward, that disappointment was quelled with a phone call from the Washington Capitals, who invited the third-year Western Hockey Leaguer to its prospects camp in July.

"It's obviously a little bit disappointing sitting around waiting. But over an hour later I was contacted by Washington, who said they were surprised I wasn't drafted," Lockhart said.

On July 10, Lockhart will be putting that memory well behind him as he takes to the ice on an even footing against Washington's past and present draft picks and other invitees....

Following the Capitals' prospect camp, Lockhart will also take part in Washington's rookie camp in August, where he hopes to remain for the main camp which follows.

"I'm going to give it my all," Lockhart added. "It's hard, but knowing I did everything I can makes everything a little better."
If he's expected at rookie camp there's a very good chance they sign him.

Q & A with Lockhart. He was ranked 68th in Central Scouting's final rankings.

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Want a job? Hit everyone in sight, play with an edge. George will notice you. He is shopping for that, his draft attempts have failed. Only he wont tell you. I am telling you.

A sturdy albeit small energy player, Lockard should try to get noticed if he isnt dominating offensively. Small guys have never had it easier in the NHL. Wow someone. Camp seems all about scoring goals these days. There used to fights in camp. Camp has changed. He has nothing to lose.

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Question is: why didn't they draft him? Except to piss of a caps fan with har de haar!

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Yeah i think its funny we said we cant believe he was available yet didnt take him with a late 7. Coupled with AO's feeling Hardy Harr Harr cant correct that horrible dzone reverse spin diagonal passing ever, which may be true, its all the more funny.

Ted, the media mogul doing his part to boost the stock price. I wish I bought CAPS about 6 years ago.

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It's a way of padding organizational depth...spend a pick to gain the rights of a college player and then just sign undrafted major junior players whose upside warrant a deal. They did it last year with the goalie Anderson and Detroit & San Jose do it pretty regularly. I'd hope for a heavier CHL presence among the dev. camp invitees for that reason. They're all long-shots to be sure but it's another means of culling young talent.

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Come on man with that logic crap! Damn you.



Good info. Thanks.

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If he's expected at rookie camp there's a very good chance they sign him.

Q & A with Lockhart. He was ranked 68th in Central Scouting's final rankings.
I thought that was interesting when I read it last night; think you are right that they must have strong interest if he has already been told he's attending the September camp, but he's not the first unsigned player to attend both camps...I just don't know that we have ever seen someone acknowledge that in print at this point. He's a 1992 and headed back to juniors for another season since he's only played 2 WHL seasons (plus 2 games) so will be interesting to see if they sign him during that period or just made the commitment to have him attend both camps and they decide later in the summer.

Anyway, 7 known invites...

2 C
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8 FA invites known to date adding:

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"A FTT reader has passed along news that UMass co-captain T.J. Syner has been invited to the Washington Capitals Development Camp."

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It's a way of padding organizational depth...spend a pick to gain the rights of a college player and then just sign undrafted major junior players whose upside warrant a deal. They did it last year with the goalie Anderson and Detroit & San Jose do it pretty regularly. I'd hope for a heavier CHL presence among the dev. camp invitees for that reason. They're all long-shots to be sure but it's another means of culling young talent.
This makes me quite the happy camper. In the grand scheme of things, it's small potatoes, and most of these guys disappear under the waves metaphorically speaking wthout a trace. However, the philosophy behind landing guys that slip through the cracks like this is something I'm a huge fan of. It's similar to what the Nats are doing and the Pirates are not in baseball. Utilize youth player acquisition systems to add depth, and talent, at all levels, to whatever maximum extent you can, possibly. I am a huge fan of this. Smart teams funnel smart money into these avenues to continue to provide a flow of cheap, talented labor, into a system, in the end for every diamond in the rough you discover, it's free agent monies you don't have to spend overpaying someone else's talent usually exiting his prime, or exiting his "hungry or a better contract" years. Smart play.

Again, not saying it will pan out, I'm just always happy when organizatins show an understanding of how to build. We all know with the Redskins, compared to the Ravens, with the Nats now, compared to th Bowden/Loria Nats/Expos, with the Boulez now, compared to Pollins Boulez, the difference between organizations that run their player acquisition/development systems well, and those that don't, and the ramificiations. It's already paying off for us since Leonsis and GMGM blew up the team for good and apparently spent a lot on rebuilding the scouting department years and years ago, as well as for the Boulez the past two years, and the Nats the past three.

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