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1st Round - Pick #8 - Sean Couturier, C, Drummondville (QMJHL)

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06-28-2011, 12:16 PM
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Now, don't shoot. But does anyone think that Sean could be in the Lindros mold. Built like a monster, throws his weight around, good defensively, and seems to just flat out dominate offensivly.
I've only seen the online clips and watched the WJC games, but I don't think he's going to be the physical specimen that Lindros is, he's more lanky.

From the clips, and don't shoot me either, he reminds me physically of Malkin a bit in terms of size, moves, release - esp. when he's cutting to the net or the deep slot.

Others compare him to Jordan Staal because of his focus on D - which doesn't show up too much in highlight clips.

If he ends up to be anywhere near as good as those guys, it would be a coup.

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I've only seen the online clips and watched the WJC games, but I don't think he's going to be the physical specimen that Lindros is, he's more lanky.

From the clips, and don't shoot me either, he reminds me physically of Malkin a bit in terms of size, moves, release - esp. when he's cutting to the net or the deep slot.

Others compare him to Jordan Staal because of his focus on D - which doesn't show up too much in highlight clips.

If he ends up to be anywhere near as good as those guys, it would be a coup.
75% of what made Lindros... Lindros... was the fact that he was *ing evil. Opposing players were, literally, scared to play against him.

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Haven't seen any player who remotely reminds me of lindros since his injuries started. "power forwards" now are finess guys, like joe thornton, who use their size to protect a puck. Lindros used he size to just go through and punish people, every single game. They aren't built the same as lindros either, he was built like a linebacker. Tall kids aren't as thick as lindros was, he was like 230ish pounds i think. I still remember him taking out ulanov & petit in the same game at the end of that playoff series.

JVR threw a few good hits this year, but not really enough to get me excited.


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75% of what made Lindros... Lindros... was the fact that he was *ing evil. Opposing players were, literally, scared to play against him.
Exactly, and not only that but Lindros was 240, but it was all muscle. The guy was huge. There will never be anything like that again.

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06-28-2011, 12:44 PM
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I've only seen the online clips and watched the WJC games, but I don't think he's going to be the physical specimen that Lindros is, he's more lanky.

From the clips, and don't shoot me either, he reminds me physically of Malkin a bit in terms of size, moves, release - esp. when he's cutting to the net or the deep slot.

Others compare him to Jordan Staal because of his focus on D - which doesn't show up too much in highlight clips.

If he ends up to be anywhere near as good as those guys, it would be a coup.
Ah thanks for the heads up.

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I've only seen the online clips and watched the WJC games, but I don't think he's going to be the physical specimen that Lindros is, he's more lanky.

From the clips, and don't shoot me either, he reminds me physically of Malkin a bit in terms of size, moves, release - esp. when he's cutting to the net or the deep slot.

Others compare him to Jordan Staal because of his focus on D - which doesn't show up too much in highlight clips.

If he ends up to be anywhere near as good as those guys, it would be a coup.
It doesn't show up in their OHL stats either

Staal:

04 - 66 games- 9G- 19A- 28P
05 - 68 games- 28G- 40A- 68P

Couturier:

08 - 58 games- 9G- 22A- 31P
09 - 68 games- 41G- 55A- 96P
10 - 58 games- 36G- 60A- 96P

EDIT: I mean the comparison to a guy who is really a defensive center. This kid looks like he could be a very good 2-way player.

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Ah thanks for the heads up.
Great line in a Lindros conversation.

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http://flyersfaithful.com/2011/06/27...ean-couturier/


Great write-up of Sean's hockey career. It sounds like he has dominated every level of hockey he has ever played. Including recording 47 points in 34 games as a 13 year old playing with 17 year olds.

I'm getting really excited for this kid.
Lots of Briere-type goals (and the fist pump), but he also has some interesting dangles in that compilation. Glad to see a nice hit but no doubt he needs to beef up a bit before he's ready to step in.

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Great line in a Lindros conversation.
. Wait, that's not funny. Well, it kind of is. Umm, where is the "laughing shamefully" smilie?

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Great line in a Lindros conversation.
What I thought too.

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Now, don't shoot. But does anyone think that Sean could be in the Lindros mold. Built like a monster, throws his weight around, good defensively, and seems to just flat out dominate offensivly.
No. 88 was a monster.
Plus Sean skates with his head up.

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Bump now that Couturier basically has a full year of NHL experience under his belt. The Flyers are so lucky to have this guy.



The thing that jumps out about this video is that Couturier seemed much more exuberant in the Q, which indicates he hasn't even come close to reaching his comfort level with the Flyers. Scary thought.

Here's his most recent goal. It's a review, so you get a lot of looks.


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I don't understand how he dropped to 8th, and I don't care.

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I wonder, what was more of a steal: Couts, Elliot, Johnsson, or Hornqvist?

I know the others were dead last, but still.

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I don't understand how he dropped to 8th, and I don't care.
Seems like a good time so...

To any and all members of the HFBoards community who, at one point or another during the summer, made mention that any or all of Huberdeau, Strome, Zibanejad, and Scheifele would certainly be better than Couturier at the NHL level later if not immediately because of his "poor skating," his "lack of offensive abilities," his "mediocre compete level," or, and most importantly, because "the NHL professionals are more qualified to make decisions" than I am, I ask that you proceed in the following manner:

Find your email inbox, and compose a new letter. In the subject line of that letter, please type "I'm sorry. I was wrong." Direct this email to ChrisShafer@ProScoutsKnowEverything.com.

That is all. Thank you.

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I don't understand how he dropped to 8th, and I don't care.
The Islanders and Jets messed up.

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I don't understand how he dropped to 8th, and I don't care.
Yep, same here.

19 years old and he's getting matched up against one of the worlds best and doing a pretty damn good job.

Thank you Scott Howson

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Seems like a good time so...

To any and all members of the HFBoards community who, at one point or another during the summer, made mention that any or all of Huberdeau, Strome, Zibanejad, and Scheifele would certainly be better than Couturier at the NHL level later if not immediately because of his "poor skating," his "lack of offensive abilities," his "mediocre compete level," or, and most importantly, because "the NHL professionals are more qualified to make decisions" than I am, I ask that you proceed in the following manner:

Find your email inbox, and compose a new letter. In the subject line of that letter, please type "I'm sorry. I was wrong." Direct this email to ChrisShafer@ProScoutsKnowEverything.com.

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Am I the only one who sees so much wrong with this post??? How much of any of those other prospects have you actually seen play a game of Hockey?

Two of those four players you mentioned have extremely high ceilings. Just because Couts is playing with his NHL club right now doesn't mean he will be the best player down the line or even next year.

Oh and the bold, they are more qualified to make those decisions because oh yea they are professionals.


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Am I the only one who sees so much wrong with this post??? How much of any of those other prospects have you actually seen play a game of Hockey?
I'm not going to answer your question. It's kind of pointless to ask someone paid to watch and write about prospects whether or not they've seen a major prospect play. Instead, pose one of my own.

Did you think that Couturier was going to bust because:

1) poor skating
2) poor offense
3) poor compete level
4) because they told you to


Focus on the important subject matter, and you'll get this one right.


(Also, would it kill you to treat a joke like a joke.......though nothing I said was fabricated. People really were saying that Couturier should have fallen even more with the reasoning being "teams are passing on him so they must know something.")


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Two of those four players you mentioned have extremely high ceilings. Just because Couts is playing with his NHL club right now doesn't mean he will be the best player down the line or even next year.
You missed the point.

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Oh and the bold, they are more qualified to make those decisions because oh yea they are professionals.
Again, you missed the point.


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Am I the only one who sees so much wrong with this post??? How much of any of those other prospects have you actually seen play a game of Hockey?
Not much but it was ridiculous how people were writing off Couturier at this draft.

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Schafer, stop ruining my enjoyment of this thread.

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Fine. People don't grasp details anyway.

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Do you think Couturier's favorite player is still Malkin??


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Seems like a good time so...

To any and all members of the HFBoards community who, at one point or another during the summer, made mention that any or all of Huberdeau, Strome, Zibanejad, and Scheifele would certainly be better than Couturier at the NHL level later if not immediately because of his "poor skating," his "lack of offensive abilities," his "mediocre compete level," or, and most importantly, because "the NHL professionals are more qualified to make decisions" than I am, I ask that you proceed in the following manner:

Find your email inbox, and compose a new letter. In the subject line of that letter, please type "I'm sorry. I was wrong." Direct this email to ChrisShafer@ProScoutsKnowEverything.com.

That is all. Thank you.
Jumped the gun with this one. It's still very possible that all the guys picked above Couturier will turn out to be superior players over the long haul, or that the Flyers actually missed the gem of the draft but we just don't know it yet.

Nugent-Hopkins and Landeskog are stars already, Larsson is a stud on D on a good team. The Hockey News had Couts ranked 4th, IIRC, and he went 8th because other teams like Huberdeau, Strome, Zibanejad, and Scheifele better.

I think we got lucky that he slipped to 8th, but you can't criticize the teams who prefered other top prospects - after all, they get a chance to interview the players, do psych profile testing, have access to video of all their games, send scouts to actually watch the players live, meet their families etc. along with gauging how the various players fit their own personnel needs.

Couts is great, but this is a discussion for 2018.

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