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06-25-2011, 01:39 PM
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JVR - Giroux - Cole(3.0)
Harnell - Briere - Voracek
Simmonds - Schenn - Versteeg
Powe - Betts - Holmstrom
Rinaldo/Shelley
That lineup is something similar I posted on another board. The only difference is that I don't have the Flyers signing Erik Cole and that Powe doesn't even see the fourth line. I'm thinking something like:

JVR - Giroux - Voracek
Hartnell - Briere - Leino
Versteeg - Schenn - Simmonds
Nodl - Betts - Holmstrom
Shelly

I really think they're going to go after another defenseman come free agency. Wouldn't it be something if they re-signed Joni Pitkanen. A top six of:

Pronger - Carle
Timonen - Pitkanen
Meszaros - Coburn

Wouldn't that be something.......

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06-25-2011, 01:49 PM
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I don't want pitkanen here. He couldn't handle it the first time. I don't want to take a chance on someone as mentally fragile as him.

I've already talked about my hate for leino. We got rid of one player like him, i don't want another. I think cole is a terrific player too

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06-25-2011, 02:01 PM
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Leino is better fit for flyers then versteeg (imho)

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06-25-2011, 02:05 PM
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Leino is better fit for flyers then versteeg (imho)
I don't think either will be back.

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06-25-2011, 02:08 PM
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I don't think either will be back.
Well Versteeg wasnt traded so Im pretty sure he will be playing with us next season.

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06-25-2011, 02:42 PM
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I don't think either will be back.

Leino wants big money hes not worth 4 mill if amount is right see ya

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Well Versteeg wasnt traded so Im pretty sure he will be playing with us next season.
You're probably right. Hopefully Leino isn't back though. If it's true that Homer is targeting Cole then Ville is history. I honestly wouldn't pay him more than 2.8 mil, he's not worth much more.

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I don't want Cole or Leino on this team, I'd love to somehow snag Laich.

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06-25-2011, 03:43 PM
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He was brought in specifically for Richards. With Richards gone, there is no reason to keep him around.
They could still use a talented two-way forward like Versteeg (perhaps to play with Schenn). It's not like Mike Richards made the guy who he is.

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I don't want Cole or Leino on this team, I'd love to somehow snag Laich.
i'd dump leino and versteeg in a heartbeat for laich.

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06-25-2011, 03:59 PM
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They could still use a talented two-way forward like Versteeg (perhaps to play with Schenn). It's not like Mike Richards made the guy who he is.
This. Agreed.


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i'd dump leino and versteeg in a heartbeat for laich.
I'm on this train as well, though I don't think we need to dump both for Laich.

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06-25-2011, 04:58 PM
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I'm on this train as well, though I don't think we need to dump both for Laich.
A lot of it depends on if they plan to have Schenn up full time or if they plan for him to have a year with the Phantoms. His cap hit is pretty significant without a bonus cushion, so that might make them think it's better to use those 3M on other players.

A lot of teams will be looking to sign Laich this year I believe, so he is gonna cost us if we want to get him. It's doable though.

I think they will give Schenn a chance to take a spot however.

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06-25-2011, 05:09 PM
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A lot of it depends on if they plan to have Schenn up full time or if they plan for him to have a year with the Phantoms. His cap hit is pretty significant without a bonus cushion, so that might make them think it's better to use those 3M on other players.

A lot of teams will be looking to sign Laich this year I believe, so he is gonna cost us if we want to get him. It's doable though.

I think they will give Schenn a chance to take a spot however.

They have to make that decision beforehand, though, don't they? Unless Versteeg is going to be playing 3C, it's gotta be Schenn or a UFA, I would think.

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They have to make that decision beforehand, though, don't they? Unless Versteeg is going to be playing 3C, it's gotta be Schenn or a UFA, I would think.
Yeah, that's what I mean. Do they plan on using Schenn this year - well then our UFA shopping is a little bit limited. If they think that he will start his career for us up in Glen Falls, well then we have a little bit more to go shopping with.

As I said, I think the plan is to have him with the big guys which means that we will probably have somewhere around 2.5-3M for a winger if we sign a #6 d similar to O'Donnell. It all depends a bit on what Voracek and Simmonds will net of course.

If Schenn is in the minors however, you could potentially sign someone like Laich for, let's say 4.25M, and then have about 1.5M left for the final forward spot.

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Yeah, that's what I mean. Do they plan on using Schenn this year - well then our UFA shopping is a little bit limited. If they think that he will start his career for us up in Glen Falls, well then we have a little bit more to go shopping with.

As I said, I think the plan is to have him with the big guys which means that we will probably have somewhere around 2.5-3M for a winger if we sign a #6 d similar to O'Donnell. It all depends a bit on what Voracek and Simmonds will net of course.

If Schenn is in the minors however, you could potentially sign someone like Laich for, let's say 4.25M, and then have about 1.5M left for the final forward spot.
He has to play in the NHL or Major Junior this year. Too young for the AHL. However, if they wait half a year to call him up, his cap hit is slashed in half. They would need 1.5M (converted into pro-rated daily cap hit) remaining to do that.

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He has to play in the NHL or Major Junior this year. Too young for the AHL. However, if they wait half a year to call him up, his cap hit is slashed in half. They would need 1.5M (converted into pro-rated daily cap hit) remaining to do that.
Schenn can go to the AHL He will be 20 in Aug.

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I don't want Cole or Leino on this team, I'd love to somehow snag Laich.
Talk on the Caps board suggests they think WSH might not re-sign Laich (to their chagrin.) If he can be had for a decent price I'd be pretty happy.

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That lineup is something similar I posted on another board. The only difference is that I don't have the Flyers signing Erik Cole and that Powe doesn't even see the fourth line. I'm thinking something like:

JVR - Giroux - Voracek
Hartnell - Briere - Leino
Versteeg - Schenn - Simmonds
Nodl - Betts - Holmstrom
Shelly

I really think they're going to go after another defenseman come free agency. Wouldn't it be something if they re-signed Joni Pitkanen. A top six of:

Pronger - Carle
Timonen - Pitkanen
Meszaros - Coburn

Wouldn't that be something.......
You're nuts if you think this lineup with Nodl and Holmstrom is better than with Powe in it. Powe is one of the top penalty killers we have now that Richards is gone. Not to mention his physical presence and speed. Nodl OR Holmstrom can play on the fourth line, but Powe should be brought back and play on that line.

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With Richards gone, there is no way in hell they let Powe walk...barring another pick up, Betts-Powe and Giroux-Versteeg are who I see as our penalty killing tandems. I also wouldn't mind seeing JVR get some PK experience. The more ice time he gets, the better he's going to perform...

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Im thinking let Leino walk, because he wants a huge raise and sign Nodl instead, whos a lot cheaper. Maybe pickup a Laich if we are willing to trade Carle, because I think Gustaffson is ready for the NHL on the 3rd D line.

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Im thinking let Leino walk, because he wants a huge raise and sign Nodl instead, whos a lot cheaper. Maybe pickup a Laich if we are willing to trade Carle, because I think Gustaffson is ready for the NHL on the 3rd D line.
Im not so sure I would trade carle now (unless we get something good back) b/c if we still want a legit cup run this year we need him (at LEAST for depth) carle >>>gustafsson/bartulis
if pronger or kimmo go down for a few games, it'd kill us in the playoffs.

I definitely agree with you on Leino V nodl though...there is only so much ice time, and Nodl is a MUCH better price than Leino whos value is super inflated b/c of the Briere line.

(also, id question his character a bit...he seemed to not get "it" in terms of selfless play in his interviews. Seemed like an ego tripper to me)

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a line of briere and voracek would be sick, but could also run into defensive lapses/turnovers

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Im not so sure I would trade carle now (unless we get something good back) b/c if we still want a legit cup run this year we need him (at LEAST for depth) carle >>>gustafsson/bartulis
if pronger or kimmo go down for a few games, it'd kill us in the playoffs.

I definitely agree with you on Leino V nodl though...there is only so much ice time, and Nodl is a MUCH better price than Leino whos value is super inflated b/c of the Briere line.

(also, id question his character a bit...he seemed to not get "it" in terms of selfless play in his interviews. Seemed like an ego tripper to me)
I'm not seeing how there is a question of Nodl VS Leino here. I don't see them competing directly for the same kind of role on the team. I don't see how Nodl is in position to really do anything besides accept his QO either.

Leino a selfish "me-first" player? If anything, he is not selfish enough, forgoing shots on goal to make an extra pass. He also gave his blessing on the Versteeg deal, which ate up the tagging space he would have needed to re-sign last year.

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