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06-28-2011, 08:17 AM
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obviously i am not as seasoned vet of the boards as most of the people posting here however, i feel like this move is very much a addition by subtraction.

filatov obviously had potential; however, the rest of the issues that came w/ that seemed to get in his own way. there will always be disagreements between coaches/players, but it just seemed to be a cloud hanging around him and this organization that did neither side any good.

so yeah, while a 3rd round pick might be scoffed at, however, it was time for things to change. change in scenery and organization might be a wake up call for him. make him realize that the potential/skill isn't the only thing needed to make it in the NHL.

obvious point of the thread: this team must to be a better job of drafting the right type of personnel (especially since we will lose the potential all-stars to big market teams/contracts if we do it right). so we no longer need to trade away 1st round picks for 3rd round slots.

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obviously i am not as seasoned vet of the boards as most of the people posting here however, i feel like this move is very much a addition by subtraction.

filatov obviously had potential; however, the rest of the issues that came w/ that seemed to get in his own way. there will always be disagreements between coaches/players, but it just seemed to be a cloud hanging around him and this organization that did neither side any good.

so yeah, while a 3rd round pick might be scoffed at, however, it was time for things to change. change in scenery and organization might be a wake up call for him. make him realize that the potential/skill isn't the only thing needed to make it in the NHL.

obvious point of the thread: this team must to be a better job of drafting the right type of personnel (especially since we will lose the potential all-stars to big market teams/contracts if we do it right). so we no longer need to trade away 1st round picks for 3rd round slots.
First off an early 3rd round pick, it needs to be distinguished that 66th overall and 50-60th overall(2nd rounder) there isn't a huge jump in talent there.

Filatov was the right pick at the time. The fact of the matter is, Filatov never played physical enough to stick short-term and the team didn't give him long enough to get a chance to gain some confidence.

Filatov asked for a trade, I'm sure GM's were aware of his potential intentions of playing in KHL this year if still on Columbus. Although he isn't a large flight risk, that is a HUGE red flag. Only teams worth giving him a chance are rebuilding teams that have open winger positions and can be patient. The more I think about it, Howson did pretty good on the deal. Not to mention he admitted the deal sucked, but what can you do?

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Sens management was crazy if they thought he would show up for a prospect camp....
Apparently he's coming now.

For the record, I give him a 1 in 5 chance of cracking the NHL.

Otherwise, he'll opt for the KHL pretty quickly.

There are guys who, for whatever reason, won't develop in a particular franchise.

For example, Vermette never really seemed to get his top 6 offense going with us. Whenever we put him with Heatley or Alfie or any of those guys, he was almost too respectful of them and would always try to get them the puck irrespective of the on-ice situation. Holding on to him, we'd never get the value for him as he has elsewhere, because he couldn't play as effectively in the role that he can elsewhere.

Filatov may take advantage of the change in scenery. However, knowing our local media environment, and the lack of tolerance for lazy players in Ottawa, I'm guessing he won't be around long.

The pick itself was hardly a mistake. Daigle was a bust but 30 teams in the league were prepared to take him 1st overall. It happens.

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Apparently he's coming now.

For the record, I give him a 1 in 5 chance of cracking the NHL.

Otherwise, he'll opt for the KHL pretty quickly.

There are guys who, for whatever reason, won't develop in a particular franchise.

For example, Vermette never really seemed to get his top 6 offense going with us. Whenever we put him with Heatley or Alfie or any of those guys, he was almost too respectful of them and would always try to get them the puck irrespective of the on-ice situation. Holding on to him, we'd never get the value for him as he has elsewhere, because he couldn't play as effectively in the role that he can elsewhere.

Filatov may take advantage of the change in scenery. However, knowing our local media environment, and the lack of tolerance for lazy players in Ottawa, I'm guessing he won't be around long.

The pick itself was hardly a mistake. Daigle was a bust but 30 teams in the league were prepared to take him 1st overall. It happens.
I think the Sens are a great situation for Nikita. They have a new coach who has experience with lots of Russians and more importantly highly skilled, east-west players. The time is right. Imagine if Clouston was still there.

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I give Filatov props for saying he'll attend development camp. But I'm a little skeptical that it's just to have a meeting with the GM, coaching staff and likely their strength & conditioning coach, rather than because he wants to actually attend camp.

Having him there as a "mentor" to the other prospects might be a distraction. Not that he's a bad influence, but the focus should be on the prospects and not Filatov's issues.

The Sens should have him stay in Canada and work out there will other top players - not back home in Russia.

But at least, it seems like Filatov is starting things off well in Ottawa.

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More proof that Umberger is a bad teammate.
I couldn't agree more. Our leadership from the top (Howson) on down, is terrible. Only in Columbus could Umberger be so popular and an alternate captain. Captains and alternates are supposed to help young players, not take shots at them. How welcoming do you think our locker room was to Filatov? How helpful do you think they were as teachers to him on and off the ice? Or in game on the bench? The fact that we traded for Clark and claimed Moreau on waivers for their leadership is an indictment on our captain Rick Nash and the alternates Umberger and Vermette. To be clear I think Nash is a stand up guy but being a stand up guy doesn't make one a leader or captain.

Howson is just awful. It's mind boggling to me that he has some supporters here. He's every bit as bad as MacLean. He's yet to draft a player that has done anything in the NHL. He signed Commodore, Huselius, Klesla, Pahlsson, Stralman, and Brassard to ridiculous contracts. Brassard makes 2.8 million and has yet to crack 50 points and is a minus player. You don't pay a player for potential, you reward results. Huselius 4.75 million! He'd be a third liner on most of this past year's playoff teams. Pahlsson 2.65 million for a penalty killing specialist.

Also I have a question. What's the difference between Rick Nash and Shane Doan? The correct answer is 3 million in salary and not much else. Look at Doan's numbers they're on par with Nash's and Doan is a much better leader. So thank you Scott Howson for drastically over paying a 60-70 point player. Yes Nash was an Olympian, and he played on the checking line.

As a Blue Jackets fan I hope that things get better, but realistically I know they won't with Howson at the top. Howson for those who have forgotten was part of the brain trust that led the Oilers in to the abyss that they are currently in.

It's laughable that people think we will land Ehrhoff or Joni Pitkanen in free agency. Our defense is going to royally suck next year.

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I couldn't agree more. Our leadership from the top (Howson) on down, is terrible. Only in Columbus could Umberger be so popular and an alternate captain. Captains and alternates are supposed to help young players, not take shots at them. How welcoming do you think our locker room was to Filatov? How helpful do you think they were as teachers to him on and off the ice? Or in game on the bench? The fact that we traded for Clark and claimed Moreau on waivers for their leadership is an indictment on our captain Rick Nash and the alternates Umberger and Vermette. To be clear I think Nash is a stand up guy but being a stand up guy doesn't make one a leader or captain.

Howson is just awful. It's mind boggling to me that he has some supporters here. He's every bit as bad as MacLean. He's yet to draft a player that has done anything in the NHL. He signed Commodore, Huselius, Klesla, Pahlsson, Stralman, and Brassard to ridiculous contracts. Brassard makes 2.8 million and has yet to crack 50 points and is a minus player. You don't pay a player for potential, you reward results. Huselius 4.75 million! He'd be a third liner on most of this past year's playoff teams. Pahlsson 2.65 million for a penalty killing specialist.

Also I have a question. What's the difference between Rick Nash and Shane Doan? The correct answer is 3 million in salary and not much else. Look at Doan's numbers they're on par with Nash's and Doan is a much better leader. So thank you Scott Howson for drastically over paying a 60-70 point player. Yes Nash was an Olympian, and he played on the checking line.

As a Blue Jackets fan I hope that things get better, but realistically I know they won't with Howson at the top. Howson for those who have forgotten was part of the brain trust that led the Oilers in to the abyss that they are currently in.

It's laughable that people think we will land Ehrhoff or Joni Pitkanen in free agency. Our defense is going to royally suck next year.
Really?


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Also I have a question. What's the difference between Rick Nash and Shane Doan? The correct answer is 3 million in salary and not much else.
You mean other than the 8 year gap in ages right? Right?

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This isn't true though. Looking at his icetime across the three seasons he played for you, he never had more than third line minutes for an extended amount of time (read two games in a row).

Karlsson was playing over twenty minutes a night by December even then only started scoring in late march.

It's probably not controversial to say that Filatov is a lot stronger and bigger than Karlsson. It's probably not a reach to say that Filatov is better in his own zone than Karlsson. Yet Karlsson was allowed to play and he has an all-star team selection under his belt.

There is a difference in how we develop players. Columbus did bury Filatov instead of letting play and this is a decision that Columbus needs to reflect on IMO.
I find it hilarious that you are trying to tell us we are wrong, yet I am 99.9% sure you probably never saw Filatov play in the NHL but once. He didn't get ice time because he was terrible. I've never seen a player that is supposed to be as skilled as he is, be so terrible. The guy is afraid to leave the boards. I don't think he had the puck on his stick in the middle of the ice at all last season. He's a scared little boy trying to play with men, and the worst part is, is that he is unwilling to accept the fact that he isn't ready to play with men yet. He isn't good, he never has shown that he could be good, and I don't think he ever will be good.

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I couldn't agree more. Our leadership from the top (Howson) on down, is terrible. Only in Columbus could Umberger be so popular and an alternate captain. Captains and alternates are supposed to help young players, not take shots at them. How welcoming do you think our locker room was to Filatov? How helpful do you think they were as teachers to him on and off the ice? Or in game on the bench? The fact that we traded for Clark and claimed Moreau on waivers for their leadership is an indictment on our captain Rick Nash and the alternates Umberger and Vermette. To be clear I think Nash is a stand up guy but being a stand up guy doesn't make one a leader or captain.

Howson is just awful. It's mind boggling to me that he has some supporters here. He's every bit as bad as MacLean. He's yet to draft a player that has done anything in the NHL. He signed Commodore, Huselius, Klesla, Pahlsson, Stralman, and Brassard to ridiculous contracts. Brassard makes 2.8 million and has yet to crack 50 points and is a minus player. You don't pay a player for potential, you reward results. Huselius 4.75 million! He'd be a third liner on most of this past year's playoff teams. Pahlsson 2.65 million for a penalty killing specialist.

Also I have a question. What's the difference between Rick Nash and Shane Doan? The correct answer is 3 million in salary and not much else. Look at Doan's numbers they're on par with Nash's and Doan is a much better leader. So thank you Scott Howson for drastically over paying a 60-70 point player. Yes Nash was an Olympian, and he played on the checking line.

As a Blue Jackets fan I hope that things get better, but realistically I know they won't with Howson at the top. Howson for those who have forgotten was part of the brain trust that led the Oilers in to the abyss that they are currently in.

It's laughable that people think we will land Ehrhoff or Joni Pitkanen in free agency. Our defense is going to royally suck next year.
Mike Commodore?

Nevermind Nash is two thirds of the way to joining the Triple Gold Club. This entire post is laughable.

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I couldn't agree more. Our leadership from the top (Howson) on down, is terrible. Only in Columbus could Umberger be so popular and an alternate captain. Captains and alternates are supposed to help young players, not take shots at them. How welcoming do you think our locker room was to Filatov? How helpful do you think they were as teachers to him on and off the ice? Or in game on the bench? The fact that we traded for Clark and claimed Moreau on waivers for their leadership is an indictment on our captain Rick Nash and the alternates Umberger and Vermette. To be clear I think Nash is a stand up guy but being a stand up guy doesn't make one a leader or captain.

Howson is just awful. It's mind boggling to me that he has some supporters here. He's every bit as bad as MacLean. He's yet to draft a player that has done anything in the NHL. He signed Commodore, Huselius, Klesla, Pahlsson, Stralman, and Brassard to ridiculous contracts. Brassard makes 2.8 million and has yet to crack 50 points and is a minus player. You don't pay a player for potential, you reward results. Huselius 4.75 million! He'd be a third liner on most of this past year's playoff teams. Pahlsson 2.65 million for a penalty killing specialist.

Also I have a question. What's the difference between Rick Nash and Shane Doan? The correct answer is 3 million in salary and not much else. Look at Doan's numbers they're on par with Nash's and Doan is a much better leader. So thank you Scott Howson for drastically over paying a 60-70 point player. Yes Nash was an Olympian, and he played on the checking line.

As a Blue Jackets fan I hope that things get better, but realistically I know they won't with Howson at the top. Howson for those who have forgotten was part of the brain trust that led the Oilers in to the abyss that they are currently in.

It's laughable that people think we will land Ehrhoff or Joni Pitkanen in free agency. Our defense is going to royally suck next year.
Given that you were responding to a sarcastic comment, I'm going to assume this is sarcasm and let you off the hook this time.

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^ What does signing Commodore prove? We over paid for a 2nd pairing defenseman that played in the AHL last year. So Commodore is on par with Ehrhoff and Pitkanen? You think we paid Commodore so much because there was a bidding war for his services?

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Apparently he's coming now.
Visa issues to get straightened out. Leaving the Carribean holiday with family, going to Russia to get visa and gong from there to Ottawa. Supposed to be in Ottawa Wed. We shall see. About the best place he can land, Ottawa has zippo expectations this seasons for playoffs this season and anything he does is bonus. Coach Maclean has plenty of experience from Detroit with Russian players, so we shall see.

And no Jacket fan should be second guessed if they like the move but he pans out. It can be a win-win for the organization.

I see this in Ottawa with Chara a lot these days. They forget that the last year Chara was with Ottawa the Sabres blew around him in the playoffs and he wasn't effective. In his first year with the Bruins he wasn't that good either, which he admitted, and he said he had to change his game. Chara adapted over a couple of seasons and has become dominant. A lot of people didn't think he could handle the transition to the post lock-out game, but good luck finding anyone who admits it now!

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Apparently he's coming now.

For the record, I give him a 1 in 5 chance of cracking the NHL.

Otherwise, he'll opt for the KHL pretty quickly.
I'd give him better odds than that. 50/50 in Ottawa - which is 49% better odds than he had in the Columbus system.

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You mean other than the 8 year gap in ages right? Right?
So because Nash is 8 years younger we should pay him 3 million more than a player with virtually the same production? Doan isn't on par with Nash defensively? Doan doesn't play every bit as hard as Nash?

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I couldn't agree more. Our leadership from the top (Howson) on down, is terrible. Only in Columbus could Umberger be so popular and an alternate captain. Captains and alternates are supposed to help young players, not take shots at them. How welcoming do you think our locker room was to Filatov? How helpful do you think they were as teachers to him on and off the ice? Or in game on the bench? The fact that we traded for Clark and claimed Moreau on waivers for their leadership is an indictment on our captain Rick Nash and the alternates Umberger and Vermette. To be clear I think Nash is a stand up guy but being a stand up guy doesn't make one a leader or captain.

Howson is just awful. It's mind boggling to me that he has some supporters here. He's every bit as bad as MacLean. He's yet to draft a player that has done anything in the NHL. He signed Commodore, Huselius, Klesla, Pahlsson, Stralman, and Brassard to ridiculous contracts. Brassard makes 2.8 million and has yet to crack 50 points and is a minus player. You don't pay a player for potential, you reward results. Huselius 4.75 million! He'd be a third liner on most of this past year's playoff teams. Pahlsson 2.65 million for a penalty killing specialist.

Also I have a question. What's the difference between Rick Nash and Shane Doan? The correct answer is 3 million in salary and not much else. Look at Doan's numbers they're on par with Nash's and Doan is a much better leader. So thank you Scott Howson for drastically over paying a 60-70 point player. Yes Nash was an Olympian, and he played on the checking line.

As a Blue Jackets fan I hope that things get better, but realistically I know they won't with Howson at the top. Howson for those who have forgotten was part of the brain trust that led the Oilers in to the abyss that they are currently in.

It's laughable that people think we will land Ehrhoff or Joni Pitkanen in free agency. Our defense is going to royally suck next year.
You forgot to list "drafting Filatov" among Howson's transgressions.

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I couldn't agree more. Our leadership from the top (Howson) on down, is terrible. Only in Columbus could Umberger be so popular and an alternate captain. Captains and alternates are supposed to help young players, not take shots at them. How welcoming do you think our locker room was to Filatov? How helpful do you think they were as teachers to him on and off the ice? Or in game on the bench? The fact that we traded for Clark and claimed Moreau on waivers for their leadership is an indictment on our captain Rick Nash and the alternates Umberger and Vermette. To be clear I think Nash is a stand up guy but being a stand up guy doesn't make one a leader or captain.

Howson is just awful. It's mind boggling to me that he has some supporters here. He's every bit as bad as MacLean. He's yet to draft a player that has done anything in the NHL. He signed Commodore, Huselius, Klesla, Pahlsson, Stralman, and Brassard to ridiculous contracts. Brassard makes 2.8 million and has yet to crack 50 points and is a minus player. You don't pay a player for potential, you reward results. Huselius 4.75 million! He'd be a third liner on most of this past year's playoff teams. Pahlsson 2.65 million for a penalty killing specialist.

Also I have a question. What's the difference between Rick Nash and Shane Doan? The correct answer is 3 million in salary and not much else. Look at Doan's numbers they're on par with Nash's and Doan is a much better leader. So thank you Scott Howson for drastically over paying a 60-70 point player. Yes Nash was an Olympian, and he played on the checking line.

As a Blue Jackets fan I hope that things get better, but realistically I know they won't with Howson at the top. Howson for those who have forgotten was part of the brain trust that led the Oilers in to the abyss that they are currently in.

It's laughable that people think we will land Ehrhoff or Joni Pitkanen in free agency. Our defense is going to royally suck next year.
You know he was being sarcastic, right....?

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You know he was being sarcastic, right....?
Hope not. I agree with most of it. Took some guts to say it, especially to this crowd. They'll probably burn him at the stake but nothing wrong with a different opinion.

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Hope not. I agree with most of it. Took some guts to say it, especially to this crowd. They'll probably burn him at the stake but nothing wrong with a different opinion.
We only burn witches around here. And on that subject, do you float?

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Umberger shouldn't be glad that a talented player left the organization and most certainly shouldn't have taken a shot at said player as he exits the organization.

I would ask Umberger how the Jackets are now better without Filatov? So Filatov is the reason they missed the playoffs?

Do you all really want the alternate captain afraid to have to deal with headcases like Filatov? I don't doubt Filatov was a lot to handle but was Michael Jordan afraid to play with headcases like Dennis Rodman or Scottie Pippen? Different sport I know; but it proves my point that real leaders aren't afraid to play with ******-bags. Real leaders just want to win and want the best talent on their team.

There's no such thing as addition by subtraction. Well run organizations deal with and get the most out of problematic players all the time.

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You forgot to list "drafting Filatov" among Howson's transgressions.
I didn't want to pile on.

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Michael Jordan played with Scottie Pippen because he's a HOF and Rodman because he was the best rebounder in his prime.

Filatov was a one dimensional player that couldn't even excel at his one dimension.

You comparison wasn't off base because it's a different sport. It's off base because it doesn't make any sense.

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^ Fair enough on the Jordan comparison.

All I really want to get across is that a leader can't be happy that a talented headcase leaves. The leadership has to be able to get along with anyone. So what happens if we draft or trade for a player that's a complete jerk but puts up points? We should all dance in the streets if a productive jerk leaves? You need talent.

And please enlighten me how Umberger's tweet makes any sense. How are we better off without Filatov? "teamgettingbetter" was his quote right? Umberger and the boys will for sure do better this year without a jerk being around for a whole 23 games right? None of you see that Umberger was placing blame on Filatov by saying they were getting better as a team by getting rid of him? He only played 23 games so what Umberger says doesn't make any sense or bare any facts. Umberger and the boys need to take ownership over not making the playoffs and stop looking for excuses like Filatov. Only thing laughable is Umbergers cheap shot. Umberger is an excellent player but he leaves a lot to be desired as a leader and should just shut up.


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^ Fair enough on the Jordan comparison.

All I really want to get across is that a leader can't be happy that a talented headcase leaves. The leadership has to be able to get along with anyone. So what happens if we draft or trade for a player that's a complete jerk but puts up points? We should all dance in the streets if a productive jerk leaves? You need talent.

And please enlighten me how Umberger's tweet makes any sense. How are we better off without Filatov? "teamgettingbetter" was his quote right? Umberger and the boys will for sure do better this year without a jerk being around for a whole 23 games right? None of you see that Umberger was placing blame on Filatov by saying they were getting better as a team by getting rid of him? He only played 23 games so what Umberger says doesn't make any sense or bare any facts. Umberger and the boys need to take ownership over not making the playoffs and stop looking for excuses like Filatov. Only thing laughable is Umbergers cheap shot.
Oh, get off of it already. There have been plenty of talented jerks in all sports, the vast majority of whom don't cause any real problems in their locker rooms. In any locker room are creeps, ********, jerks, horse's *****, and plenty of other people who you would never let your daughter look at, let alone date.

Where it crosses the line into "destructive" is when there is a locker room split. Nikolai Zherdev wasn't destructive because he divided a locker room, but the way that Doug MacLean hounded him made a division in the team inevitable. Is it any coincidence that, in his absence, he suddenly started producing at both ends of the ice on a consistent basis? You can't blame Zherdev for that, unless you want to blame his presence. He didn't go out of his way to cause problems.

Filatov, by *****ing to everyone about how "unfairly" he was being treated and suggesting that he'd be better off elsewhere (as an 18-, 19-, and 20-year-old player), had an enormously detrimental influence on the younger players, of which there are plenty: Voracek, Brassard, Russell, Mason, Methot, the list goes on and on. It divided the locker room and undermined the coaching staff, who was trying to get players on board with what had just been successful a year prior, except now the vision was clouded with the skepticism that players were going to be treated unfairly for any reason, real or imagined. If Filatov spent the entire 2009-10 season in Syracuse, that was a playoff team. That's how bad the negative influence was.

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