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07-26-2004, 06:42 PM
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as far as a dedicated server, thats true, you do in fact need one, but you dont need it all to yourself.... many hosting companies have the offer of streaming content, and have numerous feeds from the same server (different servers having differing numbers of feeds according to listeners i would assume).... unless your running the feed yourself or some such thing, any reputable hosting company has more than adequate bandwidth for your needs (although you usually have to pay for a higher package)..... the maintenance and monitoring would just be done by the IT guys for the fan, which im assuming they have already
Very true... but I'm more inclined to think that companies are more secure in knowing that they are in control, as opposed to having to pick up the phone and talk to a techie to figure out why there server is down. That's just from personal experience... the more you have going on, the more likely you are to want to be in full control with your own people on there. For me, I do use a dedicated server that a hosting company maintains, but that is simply because I don't run a 24/7 live feed and it isn't a pressing concern... but I could understand why someone would want to have complete control over something like that.

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your completely right about the numbers going through the roof if they started doing live events (such as university sports etc) and this would obviously increase their costs rather dramatically

the free options (or next to free) are still there though.... and while these are not the most "professional" (especially the shared feed since you have to DL some software to make it work) they still get the job done..... in fact i would argue that the shared feed is the BEST option for people on a tight budget whom also want to reach a large audience, as the quality of the feed actually increases as the number of listeners increases (ala bit torrent)
From what I have seen, if things go wrong or don't go right with things like this, people won't want to come back to it. I mean if the TEAM is doing this and running into nothing but issues, I certainly wouldn't be shocked to see them just abandon it. It really depends... some people like to do things "right" the first way, and some people will quickly abandon something that isn't working. Temporarily, a shared feed, wouldn't be a bad idea, but if there are issues with it, and if things at the station take off, I could see them abandoning the whole webcast idea because it didn't work the first time they tried it the "cheap" way.

It absolutely astonishes me how many people will abandon a concept very quickly because of a bump in the road.

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i suppose our numbers mght not match up and all, but i still think its a travesty that they havent gotten anything up yet.... i know the guy who helps runs www.di.fm (which as i write this has about 12,000 listeners) and have talked to him in passing about their site and what they use, and it hasnt really sounded all that impressive to be honest.... im not saying that they are running off 3 home computers and a DSL line, lol, but they arnt exactly having to build new racks each day either
Meh... I am a bit of a pessimist when it comes to internet technologies... I've run into too many people who expect miracles and instant benefits, but it's like any other venture... it gets better with time. My concern is that there are 2 ways to do it, one of them is certainly cheaper, but it has many issues in terms of reliability and other concerns... the other one of course has a cost issue.

I'd rather wait 6 months to a year and have something that they will stick with and work through, rather than a quick fix that will be dumped at the first sign of trouble... too many of those experiences from my end to think it won't happen regualarly.

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yeah no doubt about the dumping of tech if it doesnt work right the first time...... i find this to be a very backwards way of thinking, although it does seem to apply to the vast majority of people

the shared feed thing works, and works VERL well actually.... but the snag is to try and convince the listeners that its in their own best interest to DL this software and their use up their upload BW to help the "greater cause"..... tech-people will do it in a heartbeat (again bit torrent is a good example) but others will be intimidated or just not understand it

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yeah no doubt about the dumping of tech if it doesnt work right the first time...... i find this to be a very backwards way of thinking, although it does seem to apply to the vast majority of people

the shared feed thing works, and works VERL well actually.... but the snag is to try and convince the listeners that its in their own best interest to DL this software and their use up their upload BW to help the "greater cause"..... tech-people will do it in a heartbeat (again bit torrent is a good example) but others will be intimidated or just not understand it
But there's the catch... the downloading thing... it's incredible how scared people are (and rightly so with this spyware stuff) to download upgrades and things of that nature.

And of course if you aren't downloading the technology, you are stuck with something built for the lowest common denominator, which usually results in problems.

I mean, it's hard enough getting people to download realplayer, nevermind anything they don't know.

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thats cause RP is a scourge that should be wiped out, humanity must stand together against this abhoration...... so to summerize: jadeddog does not like real player

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thats cause RP is a scourge that should be wiped out, humanity must stand together against this abhoration...... so to summerize: jadeddog does not like real player

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