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07-24-2004, 01:49 PM
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Cory Stillman (LW)

This may be very premature but Coty Stillman filed for salary arbitration. If Tampa Bay walks away, what would you guys think of Stillman as the answer to a top LW?

He seems to put up decent numbers. His last 4 seasons, he seems to have gotten better and better. His profile on TSN states his flaws:

Has a tendency to take too many nights off. Needs to take better advantage of his overall skills. Isn't a great defensive player.

This may be a long shot anyway but if TB wants to walk away, what do you think?

From Spector's Site
It's expected the Bolts may not have enough room in their payroll to re-sign Cory Stillman and that could force the club to trade him.

Cory Stillman - TSN Profile
HT: 6-0 WT: 194
Dec 20, 1973 (30)

Regular Season Stats
Year Team League GP G A Pts +/- PIM Shots Sh%
2003-04 Tampa Bay NHL 81 25 55 80 +18 36 178 14.04
2002-03 St. Louis NHL 79 24 43 67 +12 56 157 15.29
2001-02 St. Louis NHL 80 23 22 45 +8 36 140 16.43
2000-01 St. Louis NHL 12 3 4 7 -2 6 26 11.54
2000-01 Calgary NHL 66 21 24 45 -6 45 148 14.19
2000-01 Total Cgy/StL NHL 78 24 28 52 -8 51 174 13.79
1999-00 Calgary NHL 37 12 9 21 -9 12 59 20.34
1998-99 Calgary NHL 76 27 30 57 +7 38 175 15.43
1997-98 Calgary NHL 72 27 22 49 -9 40 178 15.17
1996-97 Calgary NHL 58 6 20 26 -6 14 112 5.36
1995-96 Calgary NHL 74 16 19 35 -5 41 132 12.12
1994-95 Calgary NHL 10 0 2 2 +1 2 7 0.00

Playoffs :lol
Year Team League GP G A Pts +/- PIM Shots Sh%
2003-04 Tampa Bay NHL 21 2 5 7 +2 15 35 5.71
2002-03 St. Louis NHL 6 2 2 4 0 2 26 7.69
2001-02 St. Louis NHL 9 0 2 2 -1 2 15 0.00
2000-01 St. Louis NHL 15 3 5 8 0 8 35 8.57
1999-00 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
1998-99 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
1997-98 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
1996-97 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
1995-96 Calgary NHL 2 1 1 2 -2 0 5 20.00
1994-95 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -

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This may be very premature but Coty Stillman filed for salary arbitration. If Tampa Bay walks away, what would you guys think of Stillman as the answer to a top LW?

He seems to put up decent numbers. His last 4 seasons, he seems to have gotten better and better. His profile on TSN states his flaws:

Has a tendency to take too many nights off. Needs to take better advantage of his overall skills. Isn't a great defensive player.

This may be a long shot anyway but if TB wants to walk away, what do you think?

From Spector's Site
It's expected the Bolts may not have enough room in their payroll to re-sign Cory Stillman and that could force the club to trade him.

Cory Stillman - TSN Profile
HT: 6-0 WT: 194
Dec 20, 1973 (30)

Regular Season Stats
Year Team League GP G A Pts +/- PIM Shots Sh%
2003-04 Tampa Bay NHL 81 25 55 80 +18 36 178 14.04
2002-03 St. Louis NHL 79 24 43 67 +12 56 157 15.29
2001-02 St. Louis NHL 80 23 22 45 +8 36 140 16.43
2000-01 St. Louis NHL 12 3 4 7 -2 6 26 11.54
2000-01 Calgary NHL 66 21 24 45 -6 45 148 14.19
2000-01 Total Cgy/StL NHL 78 24 28 52 -8 51 174 13.79
1999-00 Calgary NHL 37 12 9 21 -9 12 59 20.34
1998-99 Calgary NHL 76 27 30 57 +7 38 175 15.43
1997-98 Calgary NHL 72 27 22 49 -9 40 178 15.17
1996-97 Calgary NHL 58 6 20 26 -6 14 112 5.36
1995-96 Calgary NHL 74 16 19 35 -5 41 132 12.12
1994-95 Calgary NHL 10 0 2 2 +1 2 7 0.00

Playoffs :lol
Year Team League GP G A Pts +/- PIM Shots Sh%
2003-04 Tampa Bay NHL 21 2 5 7 +2 15 35 5.71
2002-03 St. Louis NHL 6 2 2 4 0 2 26 7.69
2001-02 St. Louis NHL 9 0 2 2 -1 2 15 0.00
2000-01 St. Louis NHL 15 3 5 8 0 8 35 8.57
1999-00 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
1998-99 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
1997-98 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
1996-97 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
1995-96 Calgary NHL 2 1 1 2 -2 0 5 20.00
1994-95 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
well that wouldnt be a bad option im some what up for it and think it would work. he would probably would be a good vet leader for this kids and could help out balej and lundmark. i know totarella was not to happy with stillmans effort in the post and at times in the regular season. but im up for it , he can be a big help.

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This may be very premature but Coty Stillman filed for salary arbitration. If Tampa Bay walks away, what would you guys think of Stillman as the answer to a top LW?

He seems to put up decent numbers. His last 4 seasons, he seems to have gotten better and better. His profile on TSN states his flaws:

Has a tendency to take too many nights off. Needs to take better advantage of his overall skills. Isn't a great defensive player.

This may be a long shot anyway but if TB wants to walk away, what do you think?

From Spector's Site
It's expected the Bolts may not have enough room in their payroll to re-sign Cory Stillman and that could force the club to trade him.

Cory Stillman - TSN Profile
HT: 6-0 WT: 194
Dec 20, 1973 (30)

Regular Season Stats
Year Team League GP G A Pts +/- PIM Shots Sh%
2003-04 Tampa Bay NHL 81 25 55 80 +18 36 178 14.04
2002-03 St. Louis NHL 79 24 43 67 +12 56 157 15.29
2001-02 St. Louis NHL 80 23 22 45 +8 36 140 16.43
2000-01 St. Louis NHL 12 3 4 7 -2 6 26 11.54
2000-01 Calgary NHL 66 21 24 45 -6 45 148 14.19
2000-01 Total Cgy/StL NHL 78 24 28 52 -8 51 174 13.79
1999-00 Calgary NHL 37 12 9 21 -9 12 59 20.34
1998-99 Calgary NHL 76 27 30 57 +7 38 175 15.43
1997-98 Calgary NHL 72 27 22 49 -9 40 178 15.17
1996-97 Calgary NHL 58 6 20 26 -6 14 112 5.36
1995-96 Calgary NHL 74 16 19 35 -5 41 132 12.12
1994-95 Calgary NHL 10 0 2 2 +1 2 7 0.00

Playoffs :lol
Year Team League GP G A Pts +/- PIM Shots Sh%
2003-04 Tampa Bay NHL 21 2 5 7 +2 15 35 5.71
2002-03 St. Louis NHL 6 2 2 4 0 2 26 7.69
2001-02 St. Louis NHL 9 0 2 2 -1 2 15 0.00
2000-01 St. Louis NHL 15 3 5 8 0 8 35 8.57
1999-00 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
1998-99 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
1997-98 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
1996-97 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
1995-96 Calgary NHL 2 1 1 2 -2 0 5 20.00
1994-95 Calgary NHL - - - - - - - -
well that wouldnt be a bad option im some what up for it and think it would work. he would probably be a good vet leader for these kids and could help out balej and lundmark. i know totarella was not to happy with stillmans effort in the post season and at times in the regular season. but im up for it , he can be a big help.

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I think Dean McAmmond is a better option since he's a free agent and we wouldn't have to part with any assets to get him. He basically does the same job as Stillman.

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I think Dean McAmmond is a better option since he's a free agent and we wouldn't have to part with any assets to get him. He basically does the same job as Stillman.
But if TB walked away from Stillman's arbitration award, wouldn't that make him a UFA? All we would have to do is sign him for alteast the arbitration award, I think. Although he is 30, he would no longer be a RFA.

But, I'm not 100% sure, so if someone wants to confirm....

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Personally I don't think it makes sense to bring any FA here unless they are a can't miss, offensive player that will make the forwards on his line better or a physical, stay at home defenseman that allows players like Kondratiev or Pock to create some things offensively.

Stillman won't make a difference here. I'd rather take a chance and try to get Demitra or Allison. Allison is interesting. If he's hurt will just stink worse. If he's healthy he might really help a young wing like Balej break out.

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But if TB walked away from Stillman's arbitration award, wouldn't that make him a UFA? All we would have to do is sign him for alteast the arbitration award, I think. Although he is 30, he would no longer be a RFA.

But, I'm not 100% sure, so if someone wants to confirm....
If TB walked away he would become a UFA. However reports seem to suggest that TB would trade him if they couldn't fit him into their payroll structure, not just walk away. They'd want something in return.

Also there's some sort of system where even if they walk away, they still have the right to match if another team offers Stillman a contract worth some percentage lower than the arbitration award.

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Personally I don't think it makes sense to bring any FA here unless they are a can't miss, offensive player that will make the forwards on his line better or a physical, stay at home defenseman that allows players like Kondratiev or Pock to create some things offensively.

Stillman won't make a difference here. I'd rather take a chance and try to get Demitra or Allison. Allison is interesting. If he's hurt will just stink worse. If he's healthy he might really help a young wing like Balej break out.
Signing another D-man may not be necessary, but signing AT LEAST one forward is an absolute must. Even though we're not trying to make the playoffs next year, we still need to put a competitive club on the ice next year lest we retard our prospects development by at least a year or two by rushing them too quickly.

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If TB walked away he would become a UFA. However reports seem to suggest that TB would trade him if they couldn't fit him into their payroll structure, not just walk away. They'd want something in return.

Also there's some sort of system where even if they walk away, they still have the right to match if another team offers Stillman a contract worth some percentage lower than the arbitration award.
If TB walks away from Stillman's arbitration award, he's a free agent. However, TB retains the right to match another team's offer for Stillman, if that offer is less than 80 per cent of the arbitration award. If the offer is above the 80 per cent figure, Stillman is an unrestricted free agent with no compensation due TB by the signing team.

This played out last summer when the Bruins walked away from Berard's arbitration award. Here's an article which lays out the rule as it was in regard to Berard: http://www.canoe.ca/Slam030812/nhl_bos2-cp.html

For those looking for a connection between Stillman and the Rangers: Tom Renney was the Canadian National Team Head Coach in 92-93. Stillman was on that team, although he's only listed as having played one game for them (on Hockeydb.com).

Little A: Don't know if you noticed but ESPN is reporting Mellanby has been signed by Atlanta. He won't be going to Florida as some believed.


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If Stillman is a real leader, and i don't mean a fake leader like Jagr is -meaning a guy with talent and age but couldn't lead if his contract was on the line- then i'd think about it, but he's also has to realize that winning and personal achievements aren't the most important thing in the next 2 or 3 years, but that the kids grow better, if thats what he wants to do then i welcome him but IMO unless the guys we're going after are under 25 then i see no reason to get a guy to score, because playoffs aren't an option, sorry but if you want to sign players and make the playoffs go to the wings.

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If Stillman is a real leader, and i don't mean a fake leader like Jagr is -meaning a guy with talent and age but couldn't lead if his contract was on the line- then i'd think about it, but he's also has to realize that winning and personal achievements aren't the most important thing in the next 2 or 3 years, but that the kids grow better, if thats what he wants to do then i welcome him but IMO unless the guys we're going after are under 25 then i see no reason to get a guy to score, because playoffs aren't an option, sorry but if you want to sign players and make the playoffs go to the wings.
I say the best LW we can sign is Dean McAmmond. He has speed and is solid on the PK. Another LW would be Tom Fitzgerald, yea he is 36 but can play LW and centre and good on faceoffs and solid penalty killer.

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I say the best LW we can sign is Dean McAmmond. He has speed and is solid on the PK. Another LW would be Tom Fitzgerald, yea he is 36 but can play LW and centre and good on faceoffs and solid penalty killer.
I think what we really need are guys who WANT to help the kids,thats why they come here is because they know that we're rebuilding and they love to work with the kids. Because I know people still have this massive desire to make the playoffs, but thats not important, what is, is the learning of these kids, if they can't learn more this year then we failed, no matter how well we do. But remember, we are rebuilding and a top 5 pick is much MUCH MUCH better than a top 10-15.

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