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06-27-2011, 05:33 PM
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That was 5 years ago and Kaberle played in the All Star game three consecutive seasons after that post.

Yay for me, I guess.
Karlsson already played in the All-Star game last season. In his first full season.

So I guess he's already well on his way to proving himself to you.

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06-27-2011, 05:39 PM
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Sens are better and it's not even close.

I am laughing so hard at how Leafs think they have better forward prospects than we do now.

Ottawa's defensive prospects blow the Leafs out of the water completely so that's not even a discussion.

Leafs have better goalie depth but Lehner has the highest potential of any goalie for both teams.

Sens>>>Leafs AINEC.

P.S. Stop mentioning young roster players. It's not the purpose of this thread. @ Leaf fans trying to cling on to any thing they have.

I must say though, not all Leaf fans are like this, it's just the majority. There are some very knowledgeable ones.

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06-27-2011, 05:51 PM
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Sens are better and it's not even close.

I am laughing so hard at how Leafs think they have better forward prospects than we do now.

Ottawa's defensive prospects blow the Leafs out of the water completely so that's not even a discussion.

Leafs have better goalie depth but Lehner has the highest potential of any goalie for both teams.

Sens>>>Leafs AINEC.

P.S. Stop mentioning young roster players. It's not the purpose of this thread. @ Leaf fans trying to cling on to any thing they have.

I must say though, not all Leaf fans are like this, it's just the majority. There are some very knowledgeable ones.
Young Roster Players = Clinging to anything we have? I'd say talking about how your prospects are better and telling us to stop mentioning our good young roster players is clinging

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06-27-2011, 05:59 PM
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Young Roster Players = Clinging to anything we have? I'd say talking about how your prospects are better and telling us to stop mentioning our good young roster players is clinging
Their 2006 and 2007 drafts were horrible so the Sens fans want to forget that they happened.

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06-27-2011, 06:03 PM
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I'd say the two teams are pretty equal, none of the teams stands out more then the other for me.

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06-27-2011, 07:47 PM
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Young Roster Players = Clinging to anything we have? I'd say talking about how your prospects are better and telling us to stop mentioning our good young roster players is clinging
Aren't we supposed to be talking about our prospects? What would be the purpose of this thread if we weren't?

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06-27-2011, 07:51 PM
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can someone list all of these awesome young roster players the leafs have? I can think of Kessel, Kulemin and Schrenn, but I'm blanking on anyone else notable.

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can someone list all of these awesome young roster players the leafs have? I can think of Kessel, Kulemin and Schrenn, but I'm blanking on anyone else notable.
Depends on your definition of young roster player. We could also say Torontos forward roster blows Ottawas out of the water... and they are young.

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well grabovski is the same age as Spezza, so I'm curious about the cutoff I guess.

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06-27-2011, 08:23 PM
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Alright, lets keep reaching.

Ottawa kicks Toronto's ass in the 1st line center department. I suppose AINEC applies here.

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Alright, lets keep reaching.

Ottawa kicks Toronto's ass in the 1st line center department. I suppose AINEC applies here.
And The rest of the top 6 Toronto kicks Ottawas ass, AINEC.

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And The rest of the top 6 Toronto kicks Ottawas ass, AINEC.
It's not close? Really?

We'll have to see when it gets going. Somehow I don't think Colin Greening will be in our top 6 next year, let alone our 1st line.

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06-28-2011, 12:10 AM
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I am laughing so hard at how Leafs think they have better forward prospects than we do now.

Ottawa's defensive prospects blow the Leafs out of the water completely so that's not even a discussion.

Leafs have better goalie depth but Lehner has the highest potential of any goalie for both teams.
I agree with the second two statements and overall I think I'd pick Ottawa, but can you explain the first? Filatov is nothing special, Noeson and Puempel are comparable to (and IMO less than) Ross/Biggs and Frattin, Silfverberg and Colborne are about equal, Zibanejad vs. Kadri comes down to preference as they are similar level prospects (I personally prefer Zibanejad but IMO Kadri will be the bigger offensive threat so it could go either way), and Prince and McKegg are also very similar in skill. The rest of the prospects are irrelevant as they are nothing special really.

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I agree with most of the sentiments in this thread.

(although the Schenn > Karlsson talk made me cringe a little)

In terms of roster, Kulemin might end up being the next Hossa. Somehow, the Leafs have really got Grabovski going as well. Those two players are very impressive, though they are more aptly categorized as veterans given their age. Kessel is Kessel. I think he will always frustrate and impress at the same time (like Jeff Carter) - but you can't sneeze at 40-goal potential.

In terms of prospect pool, it's really more a matter of timing than anything else. Toronto is basically one season ahead in terms of getting their prospects playing on the big team, so there's a shift whereby Ottawa looks like it has the greater prospect depth.

It's more interesting to see how it will pan out over about 5 years.
Kulemin is great, I'd be extremely ecstatic if he ended up as good as Hossa !!!

But your post is awesome it's nice to see sens fans make sense and not be biased, in terms of prospects your totally right sens are better but I think your right when you say it's because of were each team is because of there positions over the last few years

Leaf prospects have graduated and sens is just starting to grow, I'm excited for both teams with players like schenn and karlsson we both have great futures, one day it will be Kadri, coulbern and kessel vs Zibanejad, spezza and Silfverberg at forward and schenn, percy, Aulie, and Gardiner vs karlsson, Rundblad, cowen and Wiercioch on defense, it's going to be great !!!

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06-28-2011, 07:00 AM
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Updated the prospect comparison tables from this year. Let me know if I missed anybody significant.

Pro Forwards:
AgePlayerDrRdOvLgGPGGPTsPPGLg Rk
18Zibanejad1116SEL265490.35NA
21Filatov0816AHL36911200.56NA
20Silfverberg09239SEL531816340.6422nd
22O'Brien07129AHL742432560.7632nd
22Daugavins06391AHL731935540.7443rd
24ButlerSg-NAAHL472211330.70NA
24Condra067211AHL551730470.8581st
25Greening057204AHL591525400.68NA
20Petersson084109SEL3184120.39NA
21Hoffman095130AHL74718250.34NA

AgePlayerDrRdOvLgGPGGPTsPPGLg Rk
20Kadri09107AHL441724410.93NA
21Colborne08116AHL752022420.56118th
22MuellerS-NAAHL571418320.56NA
25HansonS-NAAHL581321340.59NA
22Caputi074111AHL131450.38NA


Amateur Forwards:
AgePlayerDrRdOvLgGPGGPTsPPGLg Rk
18T.Biggs11122USHL2074110.55NA
18J.Leivo11386OHL641317300.47NA
23Frattin07499NCAA443624601.362nd
18McKegg10362OHL664943921.398th
20D'Amigo096158OHL211216281.33NA
19Nicholls107182WHL713453871.2311th
18Ross10243WHL673138691.0346th
19Ryan09250OHL632238600.9568th
18 Olden10379SEL(J20)33715220.67101st

AgePlayerDrRdOvLgGPGGPTsPPGLg Rk
18S.Noeson11121OHL683443771.1328th
18M.Puempel11124OHL553435691.2540th
18S.Prince11261OHL592563881.4913th
18Pageau11496QMJHL673247791.1816th
21DaCostaSg-NANCAA331431451.3621st
19Stone106178WHL7137691061.493rd
19Sorenson104106SEL(J20)311422361.1624th
20HamiltonS-NAWHL672053731.0939th
21Caporusso07390NCAA411120310.76NA
18J.Culek10376QMJHL55715220.40NA



Defensemen (mixed):
AgePlayerDrRdOvLgGPGGPTsPPGLg Rk
20Rundblad09117SEL551139500.913rd
20Wiercioch08242AHL67414180.27NA
23Gryba06368AHL663470.11NA
20Cowen09109WHL581830480.83NA
21Wideman094100NCAA39320230.59NA
21Borowiecki085139NCAA3139120.39NA
21Aneloski107196NCAA39217190.49NA

AgePlayerDrRdOvLgGPGGPTsPPGLg Rk
21Aulie074116AHL363690.25NA
22Mikus075134AHL56412160.29NA
24GysbersS-NAAHL60725320.53NA
18S.Percy11125OHL64429330.52NA
17T.NilssonSEL(J20)372680.22NA   
20Gardiner08117NCAA411031411.00NA
20Blacker09258OHL621044540.87NA

AgePlayerDrRdOvLgGPWAvgS%SO
23Reimer06499NHL37202.600.9213
24RynnasS-NAAHL30102.710.9112
24ScrivensS-NAAHL33132.330.9242
21 OwuyaS-NASEL32?2.180.9262

AgePlayerDrRdOvLgGPWAvgS%SO
19Lehner09246AHL22102.700.9123

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rather have young players contributing on the roster than just flashing off the prospect pool rankings.
Positive Spin: they became solid NHL'ers.
Negative Spin: many had career seasons and contributed to a 22nd overall finish.

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Top forwards:
Zibanejad, Noesen, Filatov, Puempel, Silfverberg, Butler, Petersson, Da Costa, Stone.

Top defencemen:
Rundblad, Cowen, Wiercioch, Gryba, Borowiecki, Wideman, Claesson.
O'Brien belongs there over a lot of those forwards.
Claesson shouldn't even be listed atm.

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I think you should put Silfverberg in that group aswell, having seen alot of him here in Sweden and in the previous WC. He put up great numbers for his age and ice-time in the SEL, and he impressed me alot with his play in the WC, far and away the best player on his line (played with Kruger and Tedenby), playmaking, forcing turnovers etc
Silfverberg had a better season in the SEL than Kadri did in the AHL. He's been overshadowed by Rundblad in Ottawa's prospect pool, but he had a very good season.

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The Sens have the better prospect pool. The Leafs have the better young players in the NHL. There's no reason the Leafs should have worse young players than the Sens, though. They haven't been in the playoffs since 2004 so that's some good draft picks right there.
They've promoted their prospects into roles of prominence, while up until February; Ottawa was spending $28M on it's top 6 forwards (in importance, not offense). If they'd been in Toronto, guys like Foligno and Regin would have played more games and fewer on the 4th line.

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Because Mark Stone was a 6th round pick who had his 1st great year. The leafs have a prospect like that too.

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Mark Stone was injured during his draft year and put up a terrible season because of it. We got him at an injury discount and he had a huge improvement this season.

Gregg McKegg had an 85 point season and that's what got him drafted in the 3rd round. He improved slightly to 92 points last season.

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every prospect that goes in to the sens prospect list becomes a "possible 50-60 pt" guy
Well, that always depends on who you talk to. It wouldn't take to long to find a bunch of Leaf fans who overrate their prospects.

Lets just all agree that we aren't Ranger fans... and we won't be calling every single forward we ever draft a potential 1st liner by throwing 8.0's beside all of them.

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Ya filatov, let alone anyone in the league has no chance of hitting 50pts on Spezza's wing.
Think about what you're saying here.

"Filatov might score as much as Kessel because Spezza is much better than Bozak."

1) that possibility seems very remote right now.
2) if Kessel is still actually much better, then what does it matter?

I'd consider a hollow 20-20-40 out of Filatov a huge step forward right now.

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Goaltending -- Leafs, but I do think its only because Leafs have more depth, I think Lehner is the best of all the goalie prospects (just leafs have more, so if Lehner does bust, Ottawa has... nothing).
I still can't get myself to care about Rynnas (24 yo) or Scrivens (25 yo). If we had them and Lehner busted, we'd still have nothing because we'd still be looking for a #1 goalie (or goalie of the future).

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06-28-2011, 08:44 AM
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I love how "Silfverberg had a better season in the SEL than Kadri did in the AHL." is just thrown out there as if there was any way to make that evaluation.

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I love how "Silfverberg had a better season in the SEL than Kadri did in the AHL." is just thrown out there as if there was any way to make that evaluation.
The AHL, SEL and KHL all have comparable talent levels.

Silfverberg, the 6'2, 190 lb, gritty, 2-way winger finished 22nd in points, 8th in goals in the SEL and 32nd in PPG.

Kadri, the 6'0, 177 lb, 1-way centre finished at most 29th in PPG average in the AHL (only real way to compare from a call-up league).

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raxlUZV5Tok

Where was Cowen on this one? The kid is clutch and scored a huge goal to keep the leafs in the game. He did this A LOT in the AHL aswell. Didn't hear much about Silfverberg being spoken of too highly though.


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Didn't hear much about Silfverberg being spoken of too highly though.

I guess you don't get out much.

Then again, with TSN's daily "AHL Kadri update" during the season, it doesn't surprise me that Leaf Nation is expecting the Messiah.

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Voted leafs before cause I liked the players better. But Ottawa has added some good potential and I gotta go with them now.

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What I think this thread has established: Ottawa has the better prospects, Toronto has the better young players.

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What I think this thread has established: Ottawa has the better prospects, Toronto has the better young players.
What I think this thread has established is that beyond a couple prospects, neither fan base has any idea about the other team's prospects. FWIW I don't really care about having a "better" prospect pool if none of the guys can translate their games to the NHL, which is head and shoulders above any European pro league, AHL, or junior league.

I like to see bitterness between the fan bases though, hopefully the players start get a taste of it as well.

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Filatov is nothing special
In what world is Filatov "nothing special"?

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