So you are advocating a young Dman who has worked 1st pairing dman in a the SEL. go play in a league(AHL) that is only 70% the quality of the SEL to improve.
That is like saying send a AHL player to Junior to improve his game. to this day will never understand it.
Because its a different game with the bigger ice. He needs time to get used to the North American style of play
So you are advocating a young Dman who has worked 1st pairing dman in a the SEL. go play in a league(AHL) that is only 70% the quality of the SEL to improve.
That is like saying send a AHL player to Junior to improve his game. to this day will never understand it.
Can you tell us what formula is used to figure out that "fact".
12-13 SEL let him finish out his contract in the SEL.
13-14 AHL at least a full year to get used to the NA game.
14-15 NHL if he's 'ready'.
defense help isn't coming soon folks! unless they rush them. If in fact their constant notion of building a franchise much like the Red Wings (LOL) is actually true, they won't be putting 20 year old defensemen in the NHL. Yeah, I doubt they wait 3 years as well. ha.
12-13 SEL let him finish out his contract in the SEL.
13-14 AHL at least a full year to get used to the NA game.
14-15 NHL if he's 'ready'.
defense help isn't coming soon folks! unless they rush them. If in fact their constant notion of building a franchise much like the Red Wings (LOL) is actually true, they won't be putting 20 year old defensemen in the NHL. Yeah, I doubt they wait 3 years as well. ha.
Yes, and having 20 years of Nik Lidstrom hasn't had any effect on that at all.
I don't care about him playing in the SEL passed this season. If he's going to just spend time developing, do it in NA in the AHL.
I want to see Klefbom in NA next year, but only if he receives top minutes + PP and PK time in the AHL.
I mean who doesn't want the new sinny toy to play in the NHL next year, since we all know Tambo want sign a top 4 dman, but a full year in AHL would be good for him.
Staying in SEL for another year is fine but that would put him entering the NHL 2 years from now. (12-13 SEL, 13-14 AHL, 14-15 NHL)
I want to see Klefbom in NA next year, but only if he receives top minutes + PP and PK time in the AHL.
I mean who doesn't want the new sinny toy to play in the NHL next year, since we all know Tambo want sign a top 4 dman, but a full year in AHL would be good for him.
Staying in SEL for another year is fine but that would put him entering the NHL 2 years from now. (12-13 SEL, 13-14 AHL, 14-15 NHL)
So you are advocating a young Dman who has worked 1st pairing dman in a the SEL. go play in a league(AHL) that is only 70% the quality of the SEL to improve.
That is like saying send a AHL player to Junior to improve his game. to this day will never understand it.
Swedes take time to adjust to the NA game. Unless he blows our minds at camp next year (very possible) he should play a year in the A for sure
Yes, if i can rephrase. I want him to come over and be given the oppurtunity to earn top pairing minutes. The rest is up to him.
Works for me, look the Oilers want him as an NHL defenseman. The SEL is a fine league, but if he's developing into an NHLer, the AHL is the best route.
Wow has Klefbom improved his play along the boards. Using his body strength much much more, winning battles all the time.
Before he was mostly using his stick, now he's using his body all the time.
Funniest thing today was when somebody threw in one of his shoes on the ice when the ref missed a couple of penalties. It lay there for a few minutes while the play continued
Edit: Klefa is the one at 0.11 running like a chicken in that video
Edit2: Thank you guys, words can't describe the hate between these clubs, scrums after every whistle.
This series has been one of the best moments since becoming a fan long time ago.
Jesse Joensuu who crosschecked one of ours in the face last game got booed during the whole game as soon as he stepped on the ice, and everytime he was near our goalie our players jumped him.
Never seen a guy getting so many punches and so much hate from a whole team and the crowd.
Swedes take time to adjust to the NA game. Unless he blows our minds at camp next year (very possible) he should play a year in the A for sure
I know I am moving away from the actual point here but I just can't help myself...
I always find it a bit strange when posters go with the 'Swedes take time to adjust'-argument. Of course they take time but it has not so much to do with that they are Swedes, I'd say the reason is that they are young and not ready for the pace of the NHL... To this point I just went to look at Swede D-men currently in the NHL to see how much AHL time they needed to adjust in comparison with, for example, Canadian D-men. Now I didn't make any stat sheets on it but just by a brief look you see that CAN players normally spend more time in the AHL than SWE players... That said this is obviously not strange at all given that it's the only option for them if they can not play in the junior leagues but still. The time to adjust to a mans game in the NHL is about equal for all young hockey players.
I know I am moving away from the actual point here but I just can't help myself...
I always find it a bit strange when posters go with the 'Swedes take time to adjust'-argument. Of course they take time but it has not so much to do with that they are Swedes, I'd say the reason is that they are young and not ready for the pace of the NHL... To this point I just went to look at Swede D-men currently in the NHL to see how much AHL time they needed to adjust in comparison with, for example, Canadian D-men. Now I didn't make any stat sheets on it but just by a brief look you see that CAN players normally spend more time in the AHL than SWE players... That said this is obviously not strange at all given that it's the only option for them if they can not play in the junior leagues but still. The time to adjust to a mans game in the NHL is about equal for all young hockey players.
North American Ice vs International Ice is a big difference.
Hey SouthSwe. Glad FBK won! Before the series started, you were pretty choked that you matched up with HV71. lol. Nice to see them pull out a series win.
I know I am moving away from the actual point here but I just can't help myself...
I always find it a bit strange when posters go with the 'Swedes take time to adjust'-argument. Of course they take time but it has not so much to do with that they are Swedes, I'd say the reason is that they are young and not ready for the pace of the NHL... To this point I just went to look at Swede D-men currently in the NHL to see how much AHL time they needed to adjust in comparison with, for example, Canadian D-men. Now I didn't make any stat sheets on it but just by a brief look you see that CAN players normally spend more time in the AHL than SWE players... That said this is obviously not strange at all given that it's the only option for them if they can not play in the junior leagues but still. The time to adjust to a mans game in the NHL is about equal for all young hockey players.
I was in sweden last year, and its distracting how many drop dead gorgeous leggy blue eyed blondes there are (All very friendly).
So unless they're playing in Montreal where the girls are equally distracting and promiscuous, thenI think its safe to say its much easier to focus on hockey in NA.
Hey SouthSwe. Glad FBK won! Before the series started, you were pretty choked that you matched up with HV71. lol. Nice to see them pull out a series win.
Looking forward to the next round!
Ye we're playing nothing like the regular season. Playing just like last years playoff, not as much offense tho. But the defense is rock solid. We got 3 power houses as D's infront of our goal that absolutely love playoff intensity and they are playing 10 times better.
Like i've said before, this club breathes playoff and when the regular horrific season was over we cud start from scratch again.
Now suddenly we are favourites...
Fans from other teams have started saying what they always say:
"you play 55 games + playoffs and then Färjestad wins the championship"
Won't be as easy this year tho. Was a tough quarterfinal, need to refuel. Playing Brynäs with Järnkrok and Silvferberg in the semis. No way near as physical but much more skilled and a deadly powerplay.
As long as Klefbom is playing for Farjestad, you can bet that this entire board will be cheering for them!
I saw this article posted on The Hockey News website. They did a mock re-draft of the 2011 draft, and Klefbom was one of the biggest risers. We drafted him 19th, and they have him ranked at 12, just behind Brodin and Baertschi. They have him as the 4th best defender from the draft, after Larsson, Hamilton, and Brodin. They put him ahead of Siemens, Murphy, Oleksiak, and Beaulieu, who were all drafted ahead of him.
Interesting side-note that they dropped McNeil to 23rd.
I'm so excited that he's coming along so well this year. I would have been satisfied if he was simply getting consistent minutes with Farjestad. Him contributing at a high level on the first/second pairing in the playoffs against a strong team is incredible!
As long as Klefbom is playing for Farjestad, you can bet that this entire board will be cheering for them!
I saw this article posted on The Hockey News website. They did a mock re-draft of the 2011 draft, and Klefbom was one of the biggest risers. We drafted him 19th, and they have him ranked at 12, just behind Brodin and Baertschi. They have him as the 4th best defender from the draft, after Larsson, Hamilton, and Brodin. They put him ahead of Siemens, Murphy, Oleksiak, and Beaulieu, who were all drafted ahead of him.
Interesting side-note that they dropped McNeil to 23rd.
I'm so excited that he's coming along so well this year. I would have been satisfied if he was simply getting consistent minutes with Farjestad. Him contributing at a high level on the first/second pairing in the playoffs against a strong team is incredible!
Bad bet... I'm part of the crew that wishes all the best to Klefbom but for the rest of the team
That said, my team has already been knocked out so I guess I can be a little bit for FBK now
North American Ice vs International Ice is a big difference.
Look, I am not saying there is no difference but sometimes I think it is exaggerated for whatever reason (like when a new player is not playing so good). The issue is that or every player having problems with it there is another who doens't seem to be affected at all...
The point was more to say that, yes, euro-players need time to adjust to small ice but this comes naturally as they adjust to playing at the NHL level (the same as for any player) euro or NA. That was why I brought up the simple fact that for young players there is basically no difference in how much time they need in the AHL if you look at euro vs NA players. That just something that is easy to confirm by looking at the individual players and where they've played since coming to NA or (for NA players) when they reach the age where junior play is no longer an option.
