I will do. I'll pop in here from time to time if anything comes up.
What would you say about the comparison between Klefbom and Brodin as (Weber) and (Suter)?
Since I'm also a FBK fan I very amazed with the play from both Klefbom and Brodin. Esp. Brodin and his Smartness, speed and Calm. Would you pick Klefbom ahead of Brodin or whats your take on them?
What would you say about the comparison between Klefbom and Brodin as (Weber) and (Suter)?
Since I'm also a FBK fan I very amazed with the play from both Klefbom and Brodin. Esp. Brodin and his Smartness, speed and Calm. Would you pick Klefbom ahead of Brodin or whats your take on them?
I've haven't seen Weber and Suter that much so can't say. Brodin tho is such a Lidström look alike in many aspects as u have already seen I guess. His calmness and hockey sense is amazing for an 17 year old.
While Klefbom is abit harder to compare with anyone. He did get too few minutes a game. It's hard for him to get a rhytm. While Brodin played 42 games with an average ice time of 14 minutes a game.
Brodin is better at this very moment but it's hard to say who will fit best in the NHL with small rink and more physical game.
He's born 1993-07-20 so he was one of the younger players in the draft but he was 17 when the previous season begun. Very young for playing in the SEL nontheless, especially as a D on the best team.
His U17WJ and U18WJ Play is a good reference against the other 1st round Dmen since 2002:
Player-DraftYR-U18PPG-U17PPG
R. murphy-2011-1.85-0.66
E. Johnson-2006-1.67-0.40
T. Erixon-2009-1.17-1.25
C. fowler-2010-1.15-0.00
R. Ellis-2009-1.00-1.50
A. Larsson-2011-1.00-0.00
Seabrook-2003-0.86-N/A
Kleffbom-2011-0.83-1.00
Doughty-2008-0.83-N/A
E. Karlsson-2008-0.83-N/A
Pysyk-2010-N/A-1.00
Suter-2003-0.79-N/A
Hedmann-2009-0.75-1.50
O-E Larsson-2009-0.75-0.80
Babchuk-2002-0.75-N/A
I. Cole-2007-0.72-0.17
Shattenkirk-2007-0.71-0.83
Pitkanen-2002-0.67-0.33
Grebeshkov-2002-0.67-N/A
Mezaros-2004-0.57-N/A
Schenn -2008-0.50-0.20
J. Brodin-2011-0.46-1.00
kulikov-2009-0.46-N/A
Smid-2004-0.45-0.00
M. stuart -2003-0.38-N/A
K. Ballard-2002-0.33-N/A
J. Johnson-2005-0.33-0.80
T. meyers-2008-0.29-N/A
So Dmen with Size 6'+, good defensive cover, and showed continuation of offence year to year.
E. Johnson-2006-1.67-0.40
T. Erixon-2009-1.17-1.25
C. Fowler-2010-1.15-0.00
A. Larsson-2011-1.00-0.00
K. Seabrook-2003-0.86-N/A
O. Kleffbom-2011-0.83-1.00
D. Doughty-2008-0.83-N/A
R. Suter-2003-0.79-N/A
V. Hedmann-2009-0.75-1.50
O-E Larsson-2009-0.75-0.80
Doesn't mean he will be elite.
But his size skating and offensive production against his peers is pretty rare.
1. Show growth in consistency of play
2. Improvement in production against peers.
3. Alternate Captain for Sweden @ U20 WJ.
Edit: Adam Larson's productrion against junior players was up with Ellis and Fowler. Man NJD got the steal of the Decade.
wishful thinking says he dominates then makes a carlson/karlsson type jump. But if we need to be patient then that's ok, looking forward to see him in the WJC this year. Im hoping to hit a home run on a d-man like montreal, Ottawa, & Washington did, would go a long way to speeding the rebuild since d-man take long to develop but a young stud is what we need.
Nygren sounds like the Swedish version of Marc-Andre Bergeron.
I really like the Klefbom pick. I hope you will keep us up to date on him.
The comparison between Nygren and Bergeron sounds about right. Nygren is a powerplay specialist and has got some huge flaws defensively. You can not compare him to Klefbom that is more of the complete package.
Klefbom is very quick on the skates and is really good on collecting loose pucks and making outbreak passes. He really is a force physically and were one of our better defencemen along the boards winning battles in spite of only being 17 years old. He's playing against men but physically it often seems like he is the older guy. He also has a hell of a slapper and has got some good mobility on the blueline in the offensive end.
His only flaws so far is that he sometimes could be out of position in his own end focusing to much on the puck and that he sometimes takes to much chances offensively that results in odd-man rushes the other way. These are things I expect him to improve this upcoming season and you could already see a big improvement the later half of this season compared to the first games he played with the senior team.
Right now we have 9 defencemen but former Leaf Jonas Frogren will be out until christmas. Grundel and Larsson probaly will have less playing time than Klefbom as well and therefore he is ranked 6th of our d's at the moment. This means that Klefbom probably will be playing around 12-15 minutes per game to start with and get more playing time if he improves or if another of our best d's gets injured. I can also see him get some time ond our second PP-unit and he will definitely be plaing on our PK since he was doing that last year already.
I will keep you guys posted on how Klefbom plays during the season and hopefully he will become the dominant defender he has all the potential in the world to be.
Larsson (and Erixon, Rundblad) always suck bigtime when they play us. So many rookie mistakes it's unbelievable. But we are a better team, so it's not really fair tho..
Come on... Larsson, Erixon and Rundblad were huge reasons Skellefteå reached the finals vs Färjestad.
I don't believe I ever have witnessed so young extremely talanted Swedish defensemen like Larsson, Erixon and Rundblad. You say they suck big time when they are playing against Färjestad, it's wayyyy homerish and exaggerated. It's as stupid as stating a young Peter Forsberg always sucked big time when playing Malmö in the finals 1994, get a break.
The amount of skill these three defensemen have is redicolous. Larssons offensive production dropped playing with two extremely offensive d-men like Erixon and Rundblad. Somebody had to take a defensive role. ;-) Will be very exciting following Larsson this season.
The amount of skill these three guys have is almost breathtaking.
The Golden Generation from Skellefteå - Adam Larsson (Devils), Tim Erixon (Rangers, son of ex Rangers Jan Erixon) and David Rundblad (Senators):
Come on... Larsson, Erixon and Rundblad were huge reasons Skellefteå reached the finals vs Färjestad.
Reached the finals yes. But they weren't good against Färjestad. The amount of rookie mistakes they did are way way too many. We got 5-10 breakaways a game due to their sloppy marking.
Rundblad got hit by Axelsson early in the series and in the upcoming games he in every situation looked afraid of getting hit. While Larsson many times decided to watch the puck/make a rush for it which gave us alot of 1 on 0s with ur goalie. There's is no denying in that.
Come on boys, let's not get into this kind of talk here. The thread is about Klefbom and not about S.AIK vs FBK...
The comparisons made are somewhat subjective and exaggerated in my opinion but yes, there is some substance in what was written. It needs to be noted though that, as was stated in previous posts, the D of S.AIK (i.e. with Larsson, Rundblad, Erixsson) were under heavy pressure from the FBK offense, and due to this a comparison of the resepctive performances of Klefbom (reg. season) vs. that of Larsson, Rundblad, Erixsson (playoff final) is not justified... ( or did I misunderstand the point you were trying to make? )
I believe that Klefbom is an excellent prospect and I cannot wait to see him next year but in all honesty I do believe that Larsson is way ahead of him, for now...
Last edited by LaGu: 06-28-2011 at 08:56 AM.
Reason: edit: I couldnt care less for neither FBK nor S.AIK, I just like to watch them play.
The comparison between Nygren and Bergeron sounds about right. Nygren is a powerplay specialist and has got some huge flaws defensively. You can not compare him to Klefbom that is more of the complete package.
Klefbom is very quick on the skates and is really good on collecting loose pucks and making outbreak passes. He really is a force physically and were one of our better defencemen along the boards winning battles in spite of only being 17 years old. He's playing against men but physically it often seems like he is the older guy. He also has a hell of a slapper and has got some good mobility on the blueline in the offensive end.
His only flaws so far is that he sometimes could be out of position in his own end focusing to much on the puck and that he sometimes takes to much chances offensively that results in odd-man rushes the other way. These are things I expect him to improve this upcoming season and you could already see a big improvement the later half of this season compared to the first games he played with the senior team.
Right now we have 9 defencemen but former Leaf Jonas Frogren will be out until christmas. Grundel and Larsson probaly will have less playing time than Klefbom as well and therefore he is ranked 6th of our d's at the moment. This means that Klefbom probably will be playing around 12-15 minutes per game to start with and get more playing time if he improves or if another of our best d's gets injured. I can also see him get some time ond our second PP-unit and he will definitely be plaing on our PK since he was doing that last year already.
I will keep you guys posted on how Klefbom plays during the season and hopefully he will become the dominant defender he has all the potential in the world to be.
I'm very confident letting Klefbom develop for two years in Farjestad. Very strong team, championship contender, and I'm sure Jonas Brodin will be back next season as well. That's the perfect place for Klefbom, as long as he signs his North American Entry contract at the end of 2011-2012 season and doesn't wait until the 2012-2013 season. If he does that the Oil will bring him over for the 2012-2013 to play in North America.
Still, I would rather see Klefbom play two more full seasons in the SEL, but like always it will come down to contract negotiations and the minutes and opportunities Klefbom receives next season as well. If he isn't getting the ice time he will be brought over to North America next season.
If Klefbom is developed properly he could be a minute munching stud that jumps directly to the NHL in two seasons.
Reached the finals yes. But they weren't good against Färjestad. The amount of rookie mistakes they did are way way too many. We got 5-10 breakaways a game due to their sloppy marking.
Rundblad got hit by Axelsson early in the series and in the upcoming games he in every situation looked afraid of getting hit. While Larsson many times decided to watch the puck/make a rush for it which gave us alot of 1 on 0s with ur goalie. There's is no denying in that.
It's probably been answered somewhere, but will the defense of Farjestad be changing next year? In other words, do you think there will there be regular icetime for Klefbom, or will he have to leap-frog a returning defensman?
The comparisons made are somewhat subjective and exaggerated in my opinion but yes, there is some substance in what was written. It needs to be noted though that, as was stated in previous posts, the D of S.AIK (i.e. with Larsson, Rundblad, Erixsson) were under heavy pressure from the FBK offense, and due to this a comparison of the resepctive performances of Klefbom (reg. season) vs. that of Larsson, Rundblad, Erixsson (playoff final) is not justified... ( or did I misunderstand the point you were trying to make? )
The point I was trying to make is that they do quite alot of mistakes when under pressure. Which is widely known by everyone who watches hockey in Sweden. And the pressure in NHL with small rinks, more physical play and higher tempo won't be easier to say the least.
Oil slick: It won't be any huge changes in our defense until the upcoming season.
Jonas Junland (out) top 4, PP - Magnus Nygren (half season last yr) top 6, PP1
Jonas Frögren (Injuried til Xmas) top 4, PK - Johan Larsson (New) top 8
With Frögren out I'd say Klefbom is fighting with Larsson for our 6th D spot . And maybe get some time in PP2.
Forgive me if I got the wrong impression as I skimmed sections of this thread, but if there is any chance Klefbom might be playing in the juniour league, I'd prefer we bring him over now and play him in OKC.
Forgive me if I got the wrong impression as I skimmed sections of this thread, but if there is any chance Klefbom might be playing in the juniour league, I'd prefer we bring him over now and play him in OKC.
He will be playing with the senior team but could play in our junior team when the senior league has a break for tournaments with the national team.
With Frögren out I would say that he is 6th on the ranking of our defencemen and probably will be playing 12-15 minutes per game including time on the PK and maybe even some time on the second PP unit.
We would have been better off trading that 19th and 31st along with a roster player or two and have a shot at Couturier. Both Klefbom and Musil are yrs away from playing in the NHL, if ever at all.
We wouldv'e been better off making a deal to bring a blueliner or two in and having Hopkins and Couturier battle it out for the eventual #1 center on this club. Now we're stuck with all our eggs in just the Hopkins basket. Where in the heck is our GM when things need to be done.
He will be playing with the senior team but could play in our junior team when the senior league has a break for tournaments with the national team.
With Frögren out I would say that he is 6th on the ranking of our defencemen and probably will be playing 12-15 minutes per game including time on the PK and maybe even some time on the second PP unit.
But when Frogren comes back does Klefbom get sent down?
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Originally Posted by Quicksilver ballet
We would have been better off trading that 19th and 31st along with a roster player or two and have a shot at Couturier. Both Klefbom and Musil are yrs away from playing in the NHL, if ever at all.
We wouldv'e been better off making a deal to bring a blueliner or two in and having Hopkins and Couturier battle it out for the eventual #1 center on this club. Now we're stuck with all our eggs in just the Hopkins basket. Where in the heck is our GM when things need to be done.
How many top 10 picks got traded for less than a 1st line C again?
We would have been better off trading that 19th and 31st along with a roster player or two and have a shot at Couturier. Both Klefbom and Musil are yrs away from playing in the NHL, if ever at all.
We wouldv'e been better off making a deal to bring a blueliner or two in and having Hopkins and Couturier battle it out for the eventual #1 center on this club. Now we're stuck with all our eggs in just the Hopkins basket. Where in the heck is our GM when things need to be done.
takes 2 to tango. Would we have traded down? A GM who passes up on Couturier for 19th +31st should be fired on the spot.
We would have been better off trading that 19th and 31st along with a roster player or two and have a shot at Couturier. Both Klefbom and Musil are yrs away from playing in the NHL, if ever at all.
We wouldv'e been better off making a deal to bring a blueliner or two in and having Hopkins and Couturier battle it out for the eventual #1 center on this club. Now we're stuck with all our eggs in just the Hopkins basket. Where in the heck is our GM when things need to be done.
You can't honestly believe there was no attempt made to move up. What if the price was higher than you anticipate? How much would be too much? We don't know what negotiations were made. Hell, a deal could have been in place, but fell through due to certain players falling.
Klefbom to AHL sounds like a good idea if he'll be fighiting for a #6 D spot all season.
He is playing against men already to the jump to AHL should not be too overwhelming.
You can't honestly believe there was no attempt made to move up. What if the price was higher than you anticipate? How much would be too much? We don't know what negotiations were made. Hell, a deal could have been in place, but fell through due to certain players falling.
The failed attempts have little value, the Oilers needed to make one successful attempt to move up. Steve sat on the curd and watched the parade roll right by in front of him.
He can't just sit patiently and expect to turn things around with just one boobie prize every year. Thanks to Steve we still only have 4 players worth anything on this roster (Hall,Paajarvi,Eberle and Hopkins) The rest of these players should have been made available along with picks/prospects to add yet another kid or two to that foursome. Tambellini failed like he's done on far too many other occasions.
He couldn't even manage a deal that had a player wanting to come here for virtually free. He managed to waste his whole weekend on this Smyth deal rather than this draft.
The failed attempts have little value, the Oilers needed to make one successful attempt to move up. Steve sat on the curd and watched the parade roll right by in front of him.
He can't just sit patiently and expect to turn things around with just one boobie prize every year. Thanks to Steve we still only have 4 players worth anything on this roster (Hall,Paajarvi,Eberle and Hopkins) The rest of these players should have been made available along with picks/prospects to add yet another kid or two to that foursome. Tambellini failed like he's done on far too many other occasions.
He couldn't even manage a deal that had a player wanting to come here for virtually free. He managed to waste his whole weekend on this Smyth deal rather than this draft.
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe part of the reason this deal took so long was that negotiations were delayed due to the draft? Tambellini had Lombardi by the balls. No need to rush and overpay.
Plus, if we only had 3 players worth anything on this team, you'd think other teams would want one of those 3 players rather than our "worthless" roster spots and later picks that may never become NHL players. Afterall, if they keep that top 10 pick, they're getting a player who isn't worthless, by your standards.
If we gut this team of its roster players for more rookies, we will be in perpetual rebuild.
The failed attempts have little value, the Oilers needed to make one successful attempt to move up. Steve sat on the curd and watched the parade roll right by in front of him.
He can't just sit patiently and expect to turn things around with just one boobie prize every year. Thanks to Steve we still only have 4 players worth anything on this roster (Hall,Paajarvi,Eberle and Hopkins) The rest of these players should have been made available along with picks/prospects to add yet another kid or two to that foursome. Tambellini failed like he's done on far too many other occasions.
He couldn't even manage a deal that had a player wanting to come here for virtually free. He managed to waste his whole weekend on this Smyth deal rather than this draft.
The failed attempts have little value, the Oilers needed to make one successful attempt to move up. Steve sat on the curd and watched the parade roll right by in front of him.
He can't just sit patiently and expect to turn things around with just one boobie prize every year. Thanks to Steve we still only have 4 players worth anything on this roster (Hall,Paajarvi,Eberle and Hopkins) The rest of these players should have been made available along with picks/prospects to add yet another kid or two to that foursome. Tambellini failed like he's done on far too many other occasions.
He couldn't even manage a deal that had a player wanting to come here for virtually free. He managed to waste his whole weekend on this Smyth deal rather than this draft.
It sure looked like he wanted nothing to do with the Smyth deal until the draft was done. Tambelini was not the only GM who wanted to move up. #30+#39 got Burke the #22 pick. There is no way #19+#31 wouldve moved us into top 10.
If we gut this team of its roster players for more rookies, we will be in perpetual rebuild.
The Oilers have remained far too attached to their support players during the last 20 yrs. This is exactly what keeps us in this bottom quarter of the league for the last 7 yrs. I think the Oilers need to fight like hell/do whatever it takes to add 3 more kids to this group of 4 we have now. Let this group of 6 or 7 grow together as a group and bring players in to compliment this group.
Effectively what you're saying is we should be providing support players to the support players we already have. Screw that, do what needs to be done to add to the 4 kids we have now and see where these kids take us. We missed an opportunity to grab both Hall and Seguin last year, we missed on another opportunity to add this summer, this is starting to look alot like a slow motion rebuild.
The Oilers have remained far too attached to their support players during the last 20 yrs. This is exactly what keeps us in this bottom quarter of the league for the last 7 yrs. I think the Oilers need to fight like hell/do whatever it takes to add 3 more kids to this group of 4 we have now. Let this group of 6 or 7 grow together as a group and bring players in to compliment this group.
Effectively what you're saying is we should be providing support players to the support players we already have. Screw that, do what needs to be done to add to the 4 kids we have now and see where these kids take us. We missed an opportunity to grab both Hall and Seguin last year, we missed on another opportunity to add this summer, this is starting to look alot like a slow motion rebuild.
And what happens when 1 or 2 (or more) of these kids' development is stunted by being fast tracked into the NHL? What happens when we end up with a couple more Gagner-esque "busts" on our hands? Well, better sell the farm and get the next year's shiny new toy.
I agree that it would benefit us to move up and grab extra players at the right price. Like was mentioned before, 30th overall and 34th overall got 22nd overall. How many of our "worthless" players would need to be added to go from 19 and 31 to top 8 in order to select Couturier? And at what point would we just be adding complete garbage in order to attempt to move up. Eventually we are adding negative value to that deal.
If Tambo could have moved up for a reasonable price, I'm sure he would have.
Also, you say we over value these support players, but I think you undervalue some of the players on our team.
, i loved that broken english TSN interview
