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07-24-2004, 08:16 PM
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PROPOSAL: Toronto and Florida

To Toronto: F Stephen Weiss, D Mathieu Biron

To Florida: F Owen Nolan

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Florida wouldn't make the trade.

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To Toronto: F Stephen Weiss, D Mathieu Biron

To Florida: F Owen Nolan

Thoughts?

Discuss!
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So Florida loses a great young center and a decent defencemen but gains an old injury prone expensive forward. hmm, I don't think Florida would do this, but neither would Toronto, because they love Nolan, even as old and injury prone as he is, he does help them. So in the end, neither team would make this deal and its a bad deal for both teams, depending on how you look at it

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Florida wouldn't make the trade.
I think the same.

Nolan is injured andquite old while Weiss is young and Florida isbuilding for the future and they really dont need Nolan in their system.

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I think the same.

Nolan is injured andquite old while Weiss is young and Florida isbuilding for the future and they really dont need Nolan in their system.
Nolan isn't that old. He's only 32 I believe.

In contrast with the other players in the trade, he is old. Biron being 24 and Weiss being 21.

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FLORIDA

PROS:

need vets to help the kids
can afford to lose weiss and biron IMO

CONS:

nolon has 6.5 mil contract

TORONTO

PROS:

need young forwards
need to cut payroll for upcoming CBA

CONS:

don't need another young defenseman, they have several on the farm that are nearly ready for NHL duty

this deal could happen IF......

the leafs pay some of nolons salary and the panthers switch biron with a pick

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Nolan isn't that old. He's only 32 I believe.

In contrast with the other players in the trade, he is old. Biron being 24 and Weiss being 21.
I meant that he is older than the players mentioned.

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FLORIDA

PROS:

need vets to help the kids
can afford to lose weiss and biron IMO

CONS:

nolon has 6.5 mil contract

TORONTO

PROS:

need young forwards
need to cut payroll for upcoming CBA

CONS:

don't need another young defenseman, they have several on the farm that are nearly ready for NHL duty

this deal could happen IF......

the leafs pay some of nolons salary and the panthers switch biron with a pick
Exactly. Great post.

That is why I thought of the proposal. Iron Mike may not be keen on Weiss, and with the Guerin rumours swirling around(and now calming down) Nolan would be a name thrown around.

I'd like the deal, Weiss is projected to be a 50-60 point 2nd line centre, and Biron is a big defenceman, something TO needs. Nolan would fit well with Florida, the only thing that doesn't seem right is a 6.5 million dollar contract.

Just my honest opinion, folks.

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Would you trade Matthew Stajan and a guy like Aki Berg for Owen Nolan?

Keep in mind that Weiss probably has more offensive upside than Stajan and Biron is a couple years younger than Berg.

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Would you trade Matthew Stajan and a guy like Aki Berg for Owen Nolan?

Keep in mind that Weiss probably has more offensive upside than Stajan and Biron is a couple years younger than Berg.
Honestly, I wouldn't.

I just thought I heard Guerin/Weiss rumours before, and with the Stars window to trade Guerin closing, I thought Nolan might be an option.


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Honestly, I wouldn't.

I just thought I heard Guerin/Weiss rumours before, and with the Stars window to trade Guerin closing, I thought Nolan might be an option.

The Leafs won't move Nolan.

But, it would be a nice addition for Florida.

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Nolan isn't crap. If he can play 75-82 games, 60-70 points isn't out of the question.

He isn't old either, he is 32...


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Well, first Biron sucks and is making two much money ($1.1 mil) for his limited game. The Leafs would be doing the Panthers a favor taking him off their hands. Weiss is a really nice player, with good upside.

The only way I see this happening from a Panthers standpoint is if The Leafs paid $3 million of Nolan's contract and sent a 2nd to the Panthers as well. Panthers get a really good vet scorer, and only takes on an additional $1.5 million in salary. Leafs get a future 2nd line center who could be a first line center.

At that price, I don't think the Leafs would do it.

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Well, first Biron sucks and is making two much money ($1.1 mil) for his limited game. The Leafs would be doing the Panthers a favor taking him off their hands. Weiss is a really nice player, with good upside.
Biron still has potential, 6'6 220 pounds. He is a towering presence on the blueline. He's 24 years old? He has top 4 potential, and he is HUGE.

Weiss and Stajan up the middle...

Leetch-McCabe
Kaberle-Klee
Biron-Colaiacovo

Ex: Pilar, Hedin, Berg

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whoa I didnt know Nolan was 32. He already has grey hair.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by LowOnCreativity
Biron still has potential, 6'6 220 pounds. He is a towering presence on the blueline. He's 24 years old? He has top 4 potential, and he is HUGE.

Weiss and Stajan up the middle...

Leetch-McCabe
Kaberle-Klee
Biron-Colaiacovo

Ex: Pilar, Hedin, Berg
If you have ever seen Biron play, you would know better that his potential is that of a 7th d-man...at best. He should've been playing in the AHL the last 2 yrs. At the end of the season, he was benched for long stretches and when he wasn't, coaches in FL tried moving him to the RW because his defense was so gawd awful. Yeah he's huge...a huge disappointment. He just doesn't have a head for the game.

I won't even comment on the trade because it actually sounds like something Keenan would propose.

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I doubt Florida would do it, I really don't see how Nolan fits into their roster. He's a very high maintenance forward, and few powerforwards tend to last as long as other players and at 6M/yr he's an awfully high contract for a team like Florida to take on.

With Florida in the process of building for the future I'm not sure the short term benefit is of much value to them, and by the time their fully ready to compete Nolan will be 35 or so, and it's questionable how he'll play at that or age or how healthy he will be.

It seems to me their better off keeping Weiss

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hmmmm since we are all wishing how about

To florida: nolan, kaberle, antropov, and berg
To toronto: J Bo and Weiss

If only wishes came true HAHA

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Biron still has potential, 6'6 220 pounds. He is a towering presence on the blueline. He's 24 years old? He has top 4 potential, and he is HUGE.
He definitely is huge, but there is no way he has top 4 potential. I can't believe he's making over a million, there is no justice in this world.

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To Toronto: F Stephen Weiss, D Mathieu Biron

To Florida: F Owen Nolan

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Why would florida do that trade? Try again

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To Toronto: Kristian Huselius
To Florida: Aki Berg

Why?

Keenan hates Huselius. Florida loves big, mobile defensemen.

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So Florida loses a great young center and a decent defencemen but gains an old injury prone expensive forward. hmm, I don't think Florida would do this, but neither would Toronto, because they love Nolan, even as old and injury prone as he is, he does help them. So in the end, neither team would make this deal and its a bad deal for both teams, depending on how you look at it
Actually Florida 'loses' a prospect who's star is falling, that the GM hates and defensemen who will never be better than a #5 gaining a top 6 forward that is tougher than any 11 of the forwards that Cottonelle panthers have.

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To Toronto: F Stephen Weiss, D Mathieu Biron

To Florida: F Owen Nolan

Thoughts?

Discuss!
I nearly spat out my sandwich when I saw that.

Would the Leafs do:

To Toronto: Amonte

to Philly: Stajan and Kaberle?

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this is just an idea
i like Leetch and hes a great player but:

Florida:Leetch,3rd/4th round

Toronto:Boumester,Huselius

I know it would never happen but it would make scence for both sides

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I nearly spat out my sandwich when I saw that.

Would the Leafs do:

To Toronto: Amonte

to Philly: Stajan and Kaberle?
Nope.

I take it you're comparing Amonte to Nolan, and Stajan to Weiss. And... you're comparing Kaberle to Biron?

Kaberle is a PP quarterback, puckmoving defenceman. Probably a top 50 defenceman in the NHL.

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