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06-27-2011, 09:58 AM
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Yes, if they sign Connolly and Richards, Boyes could be a salary dump. I'm not saying his play warrants to dump him, but 2 or 3 would have to go and imo these three are the most expendable given salary/need.
They won't sign Connolly and Richards. Not going to happen.

They also don't need to dump salary to get Richards in even if they did sign both guys.

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Could also mean that you're misgauging his barometer of Roy. Upgrade at center could mean "we have Goose and possibly Connolly behind Roy, we need another body better than those 2 to have behind Derek."

And in that sense, we could be looking at a smaller name than Richards, or trade names being thrown around like Spezza, Stastny, etc.
Yeah... there's a lot of different ways to interpret that comment.

Personally, I think Regier is talking about #1 / #2 a la Richards rather than a depth move. Center is arguably our weakest position, yet Regier already pulled the trigger on a legit top mean defensive defenseman. I doubt he's going to skimp where we're weakest after a move like that.

I hope he's thinking what we're thinking.

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I'm not seeing why we would offer Doughty. He's a RHD like Myers. It would make us tremendously deep on D for one season, but then we would be paying two #1 RHD with high salaries. We need a reasonably priced top 4 RHD vet. IMO, any of the LHD, aside from Regehr, are available for trade, although I think Sekera would be the odd man out.
I think there is 0% chance of Doughty coming to the Sabres but if there were a chance the Sabres could get him, you don't worry about what handed shot he is. If you could have Myers and Doughty on the same defense, I really don't think anyone their right mind would pass because they both shoot righty.

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I would offer him 1yr/2Mil and if he doesnt like it he can leave

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I'll be curious to see if Connolly even wants to come back here more than anything.
That thought has occurred to me as well. Maybe he realizes/believes that a change of scenery would be good for him at this point, regardless of whether the Sabres want him back or not.

Personally, I'd rather he was gone at this point. But I could live with him still being on the team, provided the Sabres acquire another center and Timmy is demoted to 3rd line with reduced minutes. He's been pretty good defensively, shot-blocking, and on the PK. Maybe 3rd line is what he is best suited for now.

That said, if he stays, I know the fanbase in general will not be happy. It could even burn some of the goodwill towards Pegula.

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As of now we have 10 forwards signed through next season. They are Vanek, Roy, Pominville, Ennis, Stafford, Boyes, Hecht, Goose, Kaleta, and Kotalik. If Gerbe and McCormick are both resigned, which I see happening, then we'll have 12 forwards for the NHL roster. That isn't counting Adam who sounds like he has a shot at making the team.

It will be interesting to see how things shake out this offseason. I know Darcy said he expects Al to compete for a spot on the team, but right now there isn't even a spot for him on the roster. There definitely won't be any room for him if Darcy signs/trades for two centers. I just don't see how Kotalik won't be playing in either Rochester or Europe next season.

I hope Darcy keeps to his word that they want to upgrade at center, and are only interested in TC as a 3rd line center.With the cap going up and the slim pickings at center in this year's UFA crop makes me think the writing is on the wall for TC regardless of what Darcy says. Unless Tim wants to play here and nowhere else I don't see him missing out on being able to potentially get a decent contract while he still can. His agents knows there aren't many good centers out there, and will probably encourage Tim to hit the market where I wouldn't be surprised to see a team offer him $4-4.5 mil a year. Why stay here to get less money and play in a lesser role? Why not go to a new team where he can get a fresh start, and maybe not be such a whipping boy?

I wonder if Darcy is looking to add another veteran 3rd line center if he doesn't resign Connolly. If they resign Connolly or bring in another vet 3rd line center on top of adding a top six center then I guess that means Adam will be starting the season in Rochester simply because there will be no room for him on the Sabres. It'll be interesting to see how Adam fits in to their plans for next season.

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That thought has occurred to me as well. Maybe he realizes/believes that a change of scenery would be good for him at this point, regardless of whether the Sabres want him back or not.

Personally, I'd rather he was gone at this point. But I could live with him still being on the team, provided the Sabres acquire another center and Timmy is demoted to 3rd line with reduced minutes. He's been pretty good defensively, shot-blocking, and on the PK. Maybe 3rd line is what he is best suited for now.

That said, if he stays, I know the fanbase in general will not be happy. It could even burn some of the goodwill towards Pegula.
I give a ton of **** to Connolly, but know that he's a part of the "group" in terms of lockerroom chemistry. I'd say it's safe to say that if we are competitive with an offer, he'll lean our way.

When the guys "hang," it's often at his house. He has worn a letter in the past. He has been here longer than everyone.

I want him gone, but I don't see him anxious to get out the door. He'll entertain other offers, but I think Connolly has settled into NYS and is content staying.

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-With Connolly it seems like they see him as a 3rd line center PK/defensive specialist.
I love Connolly back in this role. Because this is what he's good at.

Line 1: Roy / acquisition
Line 2: Acqusition / Roy
Line 3: Connolly
Line 4: Gaustad.

If that acquisition is Richards, I think that's a very solid center position. (Though Just imagine a world where the Sabres sign the consensus 1 and 2 options on the center market. kind of scary. )

I'm excited about that interview, it sounds like this might be the most exciting draft/UFA in Buffalo history.

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I'll be curious to see if Connolly even wants to come back here more than anything.
If Connolly's agent is smart at all, he's going to test the market. Someone is going to pay him 4 million per on a 2-3 year deal. Only way he's coming back here is on like a 2 year, 4.5-5 million total deal.

Connolly is a guy who is literally a hit away from his career being over. He's going to take the most guaranteed money he can get.

If he's willing to come back here at half of what we can get on the open market, he will have earned my respect as a guy who wants to win.

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As of now we have 10 forwards signed through next season. They are Vanek, Roy, Pominville, Ennis, Stafford, Boyes, Hecht, Goose, Kaleta, and Kotalik. If Gerbe and McCormick are both resigned, which I see happening, then we'll have 12 forwards for the NHL roster. That isn't counting Adam who sounds like he has a shot at making the team.

It will be interesting to see how things shake out this offseason. I know Darcy said he expects Al to compete for a spot on the team, but right now there isn't even a spot for him on the roster. There definitely won't be any room for him if Darcy signs/trades for two centers. I just don't see how Kotalik won't be playing in either Rochester or Europe next season.

I hope Darcy keeps to his word that they want to upgrade at center, and are only interested in TC as a 3rd line center.With the cap going up and the slim pickings at center in this year's UFA crop makes me think the writing is on the wall for TC regardless of what Darcy says. Unless Tim wants to play here and nowhere else I don't see him missing out on being able to potentially get a decent contract while he still can. His agents knows there aren't many good centers out there, and will probably encourage Tim to hit the market where I wouldn't be surprised to see a team offer him $4-4.5 mil a year. Why stay here to get less money and play in a lesser role? Why not go to a new team where he can get a fresh start, and maybe not be such a whipping boy?

I wonder if Darcy is looking to add another veteran 3rd line center if he doesn't resign Connolly. If they resign Connolly or bring in another vet 3rd line center on top of adding a top six center then I guess that means Adam will be starting the season in Rochester simply because there will be no room for him on the Sabres. It'll be interesting to see how Adam fits in to their plans for next season.
I think Pominville starts the season on LTIR, and Kotalik will have a shot to stick in Buffalo...

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Talk of resigning Connolly scares me.
He lays his body on the line, blocks shots, kills penalties, plays hurt, returns time and again from brutal injuries, has great hands, defends his goalie... what's the problem?

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I think Pominville starts the season on LTIR, and Kotalik will have a shot to stick in Buffalo...
I think AlKo is given a shot, but I will be massively pissed if his acquisition means we let McCormick walk.

I don't see it happening, but the log jam and the salary #s are worrying me.

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They won't sign Connolly and Richards. Not going to happen.

They also don't need to dump salary to get Richards in even if they did sign both guys.
Yes, they do.

FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.142m) / Brad Richards ($7.000m) / Jason Pominville ($5.300m)
Tyler Ennis ($0.875m) / Derek Roy ($4.000m) / Drew Stafford ($4.000m)
Jochen Hecht ($3.525m) / Tim Connolly ($2.500m) / Brad Boyes ($4.000m)
Nathan Gerbe ($1.500m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.300m) / Cody McCormick ($0.750m)
Patrick Kaleta ($0.907m)

DEFENSEMEN
Robyn Regehr ($4.020m) / Tyler Myers ($1.300m)
Marc-Andre Gragnani ($0.750m) / Jordan Leopold ($3.000m)
Andrej Sekera ($2.300m) / Mike Weber ($1.300m)
#7 d-man ($0.700m)

GOALTENDERS
Ryan Miller ($6.250m) / Jhonas Enroth ($0.866m)

BUYOUTS: Tim Kennedy ($0.166m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,453,690; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$153,690

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Re-signing Connolly wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. He's become a great defensive center and still has tremendous puck handling and passing skills.

So much hate gets poured on the guy because he doesn't score as much as his skill would dictate he should. He also got paid like a big scoring threat in his last contract, which was not his fault. If we could all just accept that his role has changed, and get him signed for an appropriate salary, everything will be OK with Tim Connolly and the Sabres.

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I think AlKo is given a shot, but I will be massively pissed if his acquisition means we let McCormick walk.

I don't see it happening, but the log jam and the salary #s are worrying me.
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Isn't that more or less further evidence that the big names that have been discussed on these boards (Richards, Stastny, Spezza, etc.) are the ones they're looking at, given that Roy is the barometer upon which they're basing that "upgrade" on, and his implied view about Connolly as a 3rd line center?

I think so. The "2A/2B" approach, where adding a center of Roy's ability, wouldn't truly qualify as an upgrade.
How would adding a center of Roy's ability not be an upgrade?

I'm almost positive that when Darcy said he's confident they will upgrade at center he means that they will be better at the position than they currently are not that he's necessarily going to get an upgrade over Roy. Comments like the bolded make me worry about what the reaction is going to be if Darcy doesn't bring in a guy like Richards, Statsny,or Spezza. I think some people on here, and Sabres fans in general are forgetting how important really good centers are, and how hard they are to obtain.

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Yes, they do.

FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.142m) / Brad Richards ($7.000m) / Jason Pominville ($5.300m)
Tyler Ennis ($0.875m) / Derek Roy ($4.000m) / Drew Stafford ($4.000m)
Jochen Hecht ($3.525m) / Tim Connolly ($2.500m) / Brad Boyes ($4.000m)
Nathan Gerbe ($1.500m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.300m) / Cody McCormick ($0.750m)
Patrick Kaleta ($0.907m)

DEFENSEMEN
Robyn Regehr ($4.020m) / Tyler Myers ($1.300m)
Marc-Andre Gragnani ($0.750m) / Jordan Leopold ($3.000m)
Andrej Sekera ($2.300m) / Mike Weber ($1.300m)
#7 d-man ($0.700m)

GOALTENDERS
Ryan Miller ($6.250m) / Jhonas Enroth ($0.866m)

BUYOUTS: Tim Kennedy ($0.166m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,453,690; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$153,690
There are a lot of salary assumptions there resulting in a margin of error that certainly exceeds the specified cap overage. Regardless, I think it's safe to say if they sign a couple UFAs they will be dumping someone, such as Morrisson (especially if they get a veteran defenseman).

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dont forget the, albeit marginal, cap savings from pominville being on the LTIR to start the season. As long as the player in his place is less than his cap hit it means the team moves farther away from the cap until he returns unless i dont understand. That gives us more time to make a move ect until he is ready

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Do we have enough cap space with both Connolly and possible Richards or some else hc center without selling?

There's couple RFA to sign. Gerbe, Sekera, Gragnani and Enroth and McCormick UFA without contract at least according to capgeek and +12 mil cap space left?
You want to clear up cap space you dump Kotalik and Morrisonn or stash them in the minors. You try and trade Boyes. Hell you might not even need to try and trade Boyes. I think getting Al and Shamo off the books would give them the space needed to bring in two centers.

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If Connolly's agent is smart at all, he's going to test the market. Someone is going to pay him 4 million per on a 2-3 year deal. Only way he's coming back here is on like a 2 year, 4.5-5 million total deal.

Connolly is a guy who is literally a hit away from his career being over. He's going to take the most guaranteed money he can get.

If he's willing to come back here at half of what we can get on the open market, he will have earned my respect as a guy who wants to win.
Brewer just went back to TB for about a $500K pay cut. I'd be surprised if his agent didn't tell him he could make more as a UFA. Between Connolly having a poor offensive season and him spending most of his professional career here, he may be willing to take considerably less money and a reduced role to stay here and see it through to a Cup. At least that's my hope.

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Andrej Sekera ($2.300m) / Mike Weber ($1.300m)
More that doubling Sekera, almost tripling Weber? Stafford was considered a massive raise, and he didn't even get double.

They're not going to get that much of a raise.


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There are a lot of salary assumptions there resulting in a margin of error that certainly exceeds the specified cap overage. Regardless, I think it's safe to say if they sign a couple UFAs they will be dumping someone, such as Morrisson (especially if they get a veteran defenseman).
Black has stated they want to leave a cushion to have more flexibility. They'll need a #14 forward too and to avoid the possibility to be in the situation the Devils/Flames were they could leave ~$1m.

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Are you high? More that doubling Sekera, almost tripling Weber? Stafford was considered a massive raise, and he didn't even get double.

They're not going to get that much of a raise.
Those are more than realistic predictions. Unless all they do is give them an one-year contract they both will get significant raises.


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Those are more than realistic predictions. Unless all they do is give them an one-year contract they both will get significant raises.
Sekera at $2.3 is absurd, and Weber at $1.3M is slightly less so.


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I'm hoping Regier isn't THAT idiotic. McCormick established himself as a valuable piece at what is essentially the lowest cost a piece of value can be priced. Getting Regehr is great, but let's definitely try to keep Cody around, seeing as though we want to continue to remain tougher than we had been in season's prior.

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There are a lot of salary assumptions there resulting in a margin of error that certainly exceeds the specified cap overage. Regardless, I think it's safe to say if they sign a couple UFAs they will be dumping someone, such as Morrisson (especially if they get a veteran defenseman).
TONS of assumptions:

- 7th dman at 700k....after what's being stated in this interview, that doesn't appear to be likely. It appears that one of your 6 will be the 7th, and someone more pricey will be brought in.

- $7M$ cap hit for Richards, obviously give or take there

- $2.5M$ for Connolly

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