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01-14-2010, 04:20 AM
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Pavelski to Toronto

Anyway San Jose parts with him? I expect the price tag to be high, am i over or undervaluing him?

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Pavelski is going nowhere. You'll have a better shot at Logan Couture than Joe Pavelski.

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Pavelski is going nowhere. You'll have a better shot at Logan Couture than Joe Pavelski.
Thought so... I really like Pavelski. Couture is on a tear, i assume his price tag would be high too. I would back off then.

Whats the update on Marleau? Has San Jose started contract talks? Marleau is playing well, it would be nice to see him stay in San Jose with Heater and Thornton.

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Thought so... I really like Pavelski. Couture is on a tear, i assume his price tag would be high too. I would back off then.

Whats the update on Marleau? Has San Jose started contract talks? Marleau is playing well, it would be nice to see him stay in San Jose with Heater and Thornton.
So far as I know, there aren't contract talks going on with anyone.

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So far as I know, there aren't contract talks going on with anyone.
What's your take on the case? Should he be re-signed? If so whats the most you would offer?

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01-14-2010, 05:21 AM
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Since most people contend Pavs is a future captain, I don't think he'll be traded at all.

I'm guessing Marleau will take a home town discount and sign $5 mil.

I'm up for Setoguchi + pick for Ian White!


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Since most people contend Pavs is a future captain, I don't think he'll be traded at all.

I'm guessing Marleau will take a home town discount and sign $5 mil.

I'm up for Setoguchi + pick for Ian White!

That **** wouldn't even work in NHL10.

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What's your take on the case? Should he be re-signed? If so whats the most you would offer?
Personally, I'd give Marleau whatever the hell he wants and work around it. If I had a choice in the matter, I'd give him a long term contract to get the cap hit down and give him the first handful of years with an NMC or NTC. I would be thrilled if he sign an 8 year, 40-45 million dollar contract with 5 years of an NMC.

That kind of contract helps the team in the immediate future, overpays Marleau in the latter stages of the contract in return for underpaying him in the early stages. He is the single most important player on the Sharks and losing him shouldn't even be considered an option but with GM's these days, who the hell knows?

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That **** wouldn't even work in NHL10.
The guys a Sharks fan...

Anyways, I agree, I don't see the Sharks paying that high a price for White. If I was Burke, I make that trade no problem.

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I doubt SJ would want to give up Couture...... but he does represent a glaring need of Toronto's. The bad part, is SJ really doesn't have any bad contracts so there are no underperforming players with larger contracts that SJ could give up in order to take on a salary like Kaberle's.

What about this though?

To SJ
Tomas Kaberle ($4.25M)

To TOR
Doug Murray ($2.5M)
Logan Couture
1st Round 2010

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I doubt SJ would want to give up Couture...... but he does represent a glaring need of Toronto's. The bad part, is SJ really doesn't have any bad contracts so there are no underperforming players with larger contracts that SJ could give up in order to take on a salary like Kaberle's.

What about this though?

To SJ
Tomas Kaberle ($4.25M)

To TOR
Doug Murray ($2.5M)
Logan Couture
1st Round 2010
Salary cap says no. Remember, Couture is not on the roster right now so you just basically dumped 1.75m on a team with 40k in cap space.

To be honest, i don't even like the deal that much. I don't think Kaberle is what we need, and we couldn't afford to keep him next season anyway. Plus trading Murray in the deal creates another hole we can't fill.

I still think the best options are deals centered around Clowe for White , Couture for Schenn, maybe Mitchell for a prospect.

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01-14-2010, 10:53 AM
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I doubt SJ would want to give up Couture...... but he does represent a glaring need of Toronto's. The bad part, is SJ really doesn't have any bad contracts so there are no underperforming players with larger contracts that SJ could give up in order to take on a salary like Kaberle's.

What about this though?

To SJ
Tomas Kaberle ($4.25M)

To TOR
Doug Murray ($2.5M)
Logan Couture
1st Round 2010
I don't think SJ can afford to part with Murray.

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I doubt SJ would want to give up Couture...... but he does represent a glaring need of Toronto's. The bad part, is SJ really doesn't have any bad contracts so there are no underperforming players with larger contracts that SJ could give up in order to take on a salary like Kaberle's.

What about this though?

To SJ
Tomas Kaberle ($4.25M)

To TOR
Doug Murray ($2.5M)
Logan Couture
1st Round 2010
We dont want Kaberle. Couture and Murray are untouchable.

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white and any one of out centers (not kadri)
for pavelski and huskins (salary dump)
enough?

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Couture is on a tear
1g 1a in 11 games is a tear?

I don't know much about him, was he tearing it up in the minors or something?

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1g 1a in 11 games is a tear?

I don't know much about him, was he tearing it up in the minors or something?
14g 25a in 28gp. 1.44ppg

I'd call that a tear. Highest ppg avg in the AHL currently. Slightly ahead of Giroux.

http://theahl.com/stats/statdisplay....pe=top_scorers

And no he didn't have a lot of points in his time up in the NHL, but this is his first pro year and he was playing on the 4th line with Shelley and Staubitz. Not exactly a goal scoring tandem.

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http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=724485

Most Sharks fans would keep Pavelski over Nabokov. Young two-way guys like Pavelski, Zajac, Kesler and Koivu just don't get moved that often.

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14g 25a in 28gp. 1.44ppg

I'd call that a tear. Highest ppg avg in the AHL currently. Slightly ahead of Giroux.

http://theahl.com/stats/statdisplay....pe=top_scorers

And no he didn't have a lot of points in his time up in the NHL, but this is his first pro year and he was playing on the 4th line with Shelley and Staubitz. Not exactly a goal scoring tandem.
Cool thanks. Wasn't an insult or anything, really didn't know much about him.

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Pavelski is going nowhere. You'll have a better shot at Logan Couture than Joe Pavelski.
Personally, I don't think Couture will be going anywhere either. Doug Wilson has already traded away too many draft picks and good prospects. Couture is one of the better and, he'd be really really stupid to move him, in the fans eyes especially.

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What's your take on the case? Should he be re-signed? If so whats the most you would offer?
Pav's is an almost guaranteed re-sign. If the club loses him, they have absolutely no second line leader. Clowe or Seto are nowhere close to being the head of line 2. Clowe would be the easiest one to move from that line. But then again............

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I doubt SJ would want to give up Couture...... but he does represent a glaring need of Toronto's. The bad part, is SJ really doesn't have any bad contracts so there are no underperforming players with larger contracts that SJ could give up in order to take on a salary like Kaberle's.

What about this though?

To SJ
Tomas Kaberle ($4.25M)

To TOR
Doug Murray ($2.5M)
Logan Couture
1st Round 2010

Murray?? As in Pav's, almost a no way. Kaberle is not even close enough at all to what the Sharks would "lose" in that deal. Doug Wilson would have to be fired the same day he made that deal.

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These teams really aren't solid trading partners.

Pavelski is very valuable to the sharks and the Leafs aren't really in a position to part with enough to make it happen. A deal that I could see as being a possibility is something along the lines of Clowe heading to Toronto; with the obvious problem being that SJ doesn't want to shake up their roster. However, if they did to move Clowe (cap obviously a big factor), then the leafs would be in a position to put together an offer -- although again I'm not even sure what SJ would want. The only 2 names that strike me are Kaberle & White -- neither of which should be available for Clowe.

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These teams really aren't solid trading partners.

Very true on this. Especially with Burke at the helm in T.O. Old rivals.

Pavelski is very valuable to the sharks and the Leafs aren't really in a position to part with enough to make it happen. A deal that I could see as being a possibility is something along the lines of Clowe heading to Toronto; with the obvious problem being that SJ doesn't want to shake up their roster. However, if they did to move Clowe (cap obviously a big factor), then the leafs would be in a position to put together an offer -- although again I'm not even sure what SJ would want. The only 2 names that strike me are Kaberle & White -- neither of which should be available for Clowe.

Clowe might be the one to go in a trade with our Sharks. A move straight up for the likes of Kaberle could be a possibility. Could be the power forward the leafs need alongside Kessel. As well remember, Clowe is only 26 so, still a pretty young player. But, more realistically a multi player deal in which the Sharks may try to move Huskins as well or Huskins alone. I think Doug Wilson might want to hold onto Clowe "during" this season for the hopes of a run for the cup.
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Clowe might be the one to go in a trade with our Sharks. A move straight up for the likes of Kaberle could be a possibility. Could be the power forward the leafs need alongside Kessel. As well remember, Clowe is only 26 so, still a pretty young player. But, more realistically a multi player deal in which the Sharks may try to move Huskins as well or Huskins alone. I think Doug Wilson might want to hold onto Clowe "during" this season for the hopes of a run for the cup.
As I mentioned, Clowe isn't anywhere near enough to justify moving Kaberle. He might be the left winger we need, but he's problably not, he's more of a 2nd line guy. He's basically Alexei Ponikarovsky with a more aggressive game and long term deal. That being said, he'd definitely be a valuable player to add to our forward group (on either the first or second line left wing), but not at the cost of Kaberle or White.

If SJ had a young high end puckmoving defensive prospect ready for the NHL, then maybe you make Clowe + that prospect for White, but the fact is that SJ's prospect pool is downright embarassing once you get past Couture & Petrecki (and the goaltenders). Unless SJ was looking for a straight salary dump for the future (and looking to try and re-stock the pool a bit), I really see no deal occuring. if they were though, you could problably fathom something along the lines of Ponikarovsky + Hanson + Stefanovich.

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As I mentioned, Clowe isn't anywhere near enough to justify moving Kaberle. He might be the left winger we need, but he's problably not, he's more of a 2nd line guy. He's basically Alexei Ponikarovsky with a more aggressive game and long term deal. That being said, he'd definitely be a valuable player to add to our forward group (on either the first or second line left wing), but not at the cost of Kaberle or White.

If SJ had a young high end puckmoving defensive prospect ready for the NHL, then maybe you make Clowe + that prospect for White, but the fact is that SJ's prospect pool is downright embarassing once you get past Couture & Petrecki (and the goaltenders). Unless SJ was looking for a straight salary dump for the future (and looking to try and re-stock the pool a bit), I really see no deal occuring. if they were though, you could problably fathom something along the lines of Ponikarovsky + Hanson + Stefanovich.
Heh, you have no idea what your talking about.

Demers = exactly what you just said. Kids going to be amazing. Puck moving, slick skating, Boyle type defensmen.

Moore = Large Shutdown D, playing great hockey for us in the AHL

Patrecki = Playing like absolute crap.

And that's just the AHL, we are loaded with defensive prospects. Forwards wise we have Couture, Ferriero, Zalewski all tearing it up in the AHL.

We have a fantastic prospect pool right now. I have no complaints.

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Heh, you have no idea what your talking about.

Demers = exactly what you just said. Kids going to be amazing. Puck moving, slick skating, Boyle type defensmen.

Moore = Large Shutdown D, playing great hockey for us in the AHL

Patrecki = Playing like absolute crap.

And that's just the AHL, we are loaded with defensive prospects. Forwards wise we have Couture, Ferriero, Zalewski all tearing it up in the AHL.

We have a fantastic prospect pool right now. I have no complaints.
A fan of any team can talk about all the great names in their prospect pool and how they're all going to be NHLers. The reality is that you've gotta look at an impartial source, and even this website says that the best non-goaltender after Couture & Petrecki is a 6.5C. That's not something to be proud of.

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would something around clowe, couture, 1st'10 for kabs, and one of hagman, poni, stempniak be doable?

i figure couture plus 1st =kabs, hag/poni/stempns = clowe????

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