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Kevin Bieksa signs 5-Year, $23m Deal ($4.6m/year cap hit - NTC)

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06-27-2011, 04:05 PM
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I thought Bieksa looked okay in the SCF playing without Hamhuis and with a bruised MCL -- aside from the catastrophic game with Ballard. He certainly looked better than Ehrhoff did with his equally slight injury.
He also scored some big goals. He was awesome vs SJ. I think having him and Hamhuis locked up together for 5 years is great, they are the ideal minute munching shut-down pair (lol-cliches) who have enough skill to keep the offense going.

If they can lock up Salo, and Ehrhoff they are in great shape on D.

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Trade Ballard and get a reliable RS d for Hoff at ES (Tanev?)

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06-27-2011, 04:07 PM
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people are saying that hamhuis is setting the bar for dman salaries but i just can't see ehrhoff signing for what bieksa did. he doesn't have bieksa's ties to the team, and would get significantly more in free agency if both had made it to july 1. if he takes less than 5M per to stay it would be a bigger discount than bieksa took. i'm also even less comfortable giving ehrhoff a ntc as he's a glorified pp specialist.

I didn't know glorified PP specialists could PK that well. Or have good EV point totals like he does. Or hold their own defensively with faster players. Admittedly, Ehrhoff has problems vs. bigger players that drive the net and battle in the corners. But those problems can be mitigated by quick stick work and positioning, which he is so-so on.


I'm really not getting this glorified PP specialist moniker he has. What was Rafalski?

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06-27-2011, 04:08 PM
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Heh, weren't the Nucks fans the ones that wanted Bieska traded last year?
4.6 for 5 seems like a pretty decent deal.
I recall a lot of people being excited about a rumoured Bieksa for Filatov deal. Of course, a lot changed from that time to today for both players. Also, I think most people felt that Vancouver would have to trade a defenceman for salary cap purposes but Edler's injury and Salo's late return changed all of that. Kudos to Mike Gillis for being so patient.

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06-27-2011, 04:10 PM
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I recall a lot of people being excited about a rumoured Bieksa for Filatov deal. Of course, a lot changed from that time to today for both players. Also, I think most people felt that Vancouver would have to trade a defenceman for salary cap purposes but Edler's injury and Salo's late return changed all of that. Kudos to Mike Gillis for being so patient.
...but now let's get rid of Ballard !!

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Ehrhoff should be fairly happy going from 3.1M to, say, 4.7M and staying on a potent team. Time will tell.

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06-27-2011, 04:11 PM
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Would have liked $4.5m, but that's splitting hairs. Very happy to see Bieksa locked up, although I can't really see Ehrhoff agreeing to a similar deal.

Still - this deal is good news and I'm glad Bieksa's going to be a big part of the team going forward. Him and Hamhuis as a top pairing were excellent.

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06-27-2011, 04:12 PM
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I recall a lot of people being excited about a rumoured Bieksa for Filatov deal. Of course, a lot changed from that time to today for both players. Also, I think most people felt that Vancouver would have to trade a defenceman for salary cap purposes but Edler's injury and Salo's late return changed all of that. Kudos to Mike Gillis for being so patient.
More like good thing Gillis wasn't listening to fans last year when everyone demanded for Bieska to be traded haha.

Good deal though, I was half hoping The Red Wings would sign Bieska to replace Ralf

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Would have liked $4.5m, but that's splitting hairs.
I wish I had hairs like that to split.

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$9.1 million for what was a great shutdown pairing all season and our best pairing all playoffs is a pretty fair price.

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I think a lot of people are waxing poetic Hamhuis' skills. He's a solid middle pairing guy with mediocre skills (other than his skating which is very good). He might be our most consistent D-man but he's not our best. Hamhuis took a sizable paycut to come to Vancouver and one can say Bieksa did the same to stay here. I believe they are both overpaid but the market is what it is and there are FAR worse contracts out there so we should be happy to have them both. Not everyone will take the same discount to play here, we should be thankful that we have players willing to stay here for less because there aren't a lot of teams that get the same loyalty from its players.

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Not sure how I feel about this right now - good deal if Bieksa can have the same season he did this past year after 2 very poor years. He was terrific with Hamhuis but a completely different player without him IMO and not in a good way. Really not sure I like this right now but I'm aware that d-men are getting a bump all-around due to the increase in the salary cap. I suppose he definitely could have gotten $5m from some team out there so all in all, nice to see another character player opt to stay. Hopefully Ehrhoff follows and Ballard can somehow be dealt.

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06-27-2011, 04:20 PM
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I'd like to let Ehrhoff walk and sign Montador. Save money and add a little more reliability/stability to the back-end. The back end fell to pieces without Hamhuis and Rome, I think they should add another guy in that vein.

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I think a lot of people are waxing poetic Hamhuis' skills. He's a solid middle pairing guy with mediocre skills (other than his skating which is very good). He might be our most consistent D-man but he's not our best.
Our defense was in shambles after Hamhuis went down except for one game where Edler activated his Norris mode.

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Really like this move... took a small hometown discount as well, likely would have been a 5 mill cap hit on the open market.

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As mentioned, there is literally zero chance Ehrhoff signs a contract in the $4.5 million range...that's ludicrous. He's probably the premium PMD on the market. Either the team ponies up $5.5+ million for him or he walks.
If it wasn't for his poor showing in the playoffs, I would tend to agree. Right now, his playoff no show is about the only thing limiting his potential contract numbers.


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Ugh...possibly but that is a TERRIBLE contract. There was a massive bidding war for Hamhuis last year, and the highest number I heard reported was a bit above $5 million per year. I just can't believe any hockey people would actually think Bieksa is worth more then Hamhuis.

They are completely different players. Bieksa is clearly better offensively. Hamhuis's salary will always be curbed by his lower point totals. Points equate to salary, and that's something Bieksa has always done better than Hammer.


The question with Bieksa has always been his defensive game. If he plays like he did last year, then what questions are there? He mitigates his defensive issues with Hamhuis, and is still better offensively. Not to mention he is a much more aggressive player on the boards and down low.


I wanted Bieksa gone last year. He couldn't get off the team fast enough for me. But if he plays like he did last year, 4.6 is good value.


As of now, with the cap going up and the shortage of talent, any team's number 1 priority should be retaining talent, even if it means at less than ideal numbers. Money is not at a premium right now, talent is. If you get the chance to lock up talent to somewhat reasonable dollars, you do it.

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He might be our most consistent D-man but he's not our best.
I'll take consistancy over fairly wild swings in performance (not specifically directed at Bieksa but Edler as well)

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Not sure how I feel about this right now - good deal if Bieksa can have the same season he did this past year after 2 very poor years. He was terrific with Hamhuis but a completely different player without him IMO and not in a good way. Really not sure I like this right now but I'm aware that d-men are getting a bump all-around due to the increase in the salary cap. I suppose he definitely could have gotten $5m from some team out there so all in all, nice to see another character player opt to stay. Hopefully Ehrhoff follows and Ballard can somehow be dealt.
Don't think Bieksa was that bad without Hamhuis. In fact I'm not concerned about Bieksa being bad without Hamhuis, I'm concerned Bieksa being bad by himself. Let's not forget, he had few horrible years, started last year the same way until turned it around and had very good second half and playoffs. The last time he was this good was his previous contract year, so IMO there's some doubts in air whether he will be worth this new deal. If he plays like he did during the playoffs and during the second half of season, this is a very good deal for the Canucks.

Time will tell I guess. Normally I don't mind NTCs, but in this case I'd really prefer if there wasn't one.

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06-27-2011, 04:28 PM
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A healthy Bieksa is always a good Bieksa.

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This is disgusting. He's worthless without Hamhuis. Should've got less than 4.5

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Though it goes to show what a steal Hamhuis is on his contract

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Bieksa was ok when Hamhuis went down, it was more him and Ballard getting crossed up which looked really ugly.

The whole defense corps was in shambles by the end of it. And our forwards weren't helping much either.

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This is disgusting. He's worthless without Hamhuis. Should've got less than 4.5
Hamhuis and Bieksa are both now locked up long term, so what's your point?

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It's a decent deal, but it's not exactly a paycut or anything. I guess these are the economic realities of such a big hike in the salary cap. If he can play as well as he did this year as a shutdown defender, he'll be worth the money and term. My biggest concern is that he'll regress back into the risky and inconsistent defender that was always trying to justify his contract.

The NTC was obviously something that Bieksa wanted in order to have some job security, but kind of limits our options should he not perform.

Not sure where it leaves us on the Ehrhoff front. His value is clearly over 5m, perhaps close to 5.5m. Might be able to get 6m in the open market, so I guess it would be a discount of sorts. That would leave us with ~4m to spend on a top six forward.

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I'd like to let Ehrhoff walk and sign Montador. Save money and add a little more reliability/stability to the back-end. The back end fell to pieces without Hamhuis and Rome, I think they should add another guy in that vein.
Couldn't agree more.

For a 5+ million dollar player I want to see someone who this team can't live without and high competitiveness. I don't see either in Ehrhoff. I was very underwhelmed with performances in the playoffs for us and his defensive play was average at best.

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