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06-28-2011, 11:15 PM
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The Armchair GM Thread (Part III)

News and Notes:

- The Salary Cap is $64.3 million for the 2011/2012 season, with an expected floor of $48 million.

July 1, 2011
- Tanner Glass signed a 1-Year, $750,000 deal with the Winnipeg Jets
- The Vancouver Canucks signed UFA F Andrew Ebbett to a 1-Year, $525,000 Deal
- The Vancouver Canucks signed UFA F Marco Sturm to a 1-Year, $2.25m Deal
- Alex Bolduc signed a 1-Year, $575,000 deal with the Phoenix Coyotes
- Raffi Torres signed a 2-Year, $3.5m deal with the Phoenix Coyotes
- The Vancouver Canucks signed UFA F Mark Mancari to a 1-Year, $525,000 Deal
- The Vancouver Canucks re-signed F Chris Higgins to a 2-Year, $3.8m deal($1.9m/year cap hit)
- The Vancouver Canucks re-signed D Sami Salo to a 1-Year, $2m Deal
- Vancouver F Sergei Shirokov has signed a 3-Year Deal with CSKA Moscow of the KHL

June 30, 2011
- The agents for UFA Fs Raffi Torres and Chris Higgins have confirmed they have had preliminary contract discussions with the Vancouver Canucks, although nothing is close.

June 29, 2011
- The Vancouver Canucks re-signed D Andrew Alberts to a 2-Year, $2.45m Deal ($1.225m/year cap hit)

June 28, 2011
- The Vancouver Canucks traded the rights to UFA D Christian Ehrhoff to the New York Islanders in exchange for a 4th Round Draft Pick in the 2012 Entry Draft

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Agents for Andrew Alberts, Tanner Glass and Rick Rypien have had NO contact with the Canucks with free agency 3 days away.
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So what now for Christian Ehrhoff?

With Kevin Bieksa returning to the Canucks' fold, agreeing Monday to a $23 million, five-year deal, contract talks continue between Vancouver and the Ehrhoff camp. The German defender can become an unrestricted free agent Friday.

A source told ESPN.com there has been an offer and counteroffer between the Canucks and veteran agent Rick Curran.

The general ballpark for Ehrhoff is somewhere between Bieksa's new deal and the one signed by Dan Hamhuis last July 1 (six years, $4.5 million per season). But don't look for Ehrhoff to take less than either player.

Does it get done before Friday? It might. Then again, the Detroit Red Wings are sitting there with money to spend and a need for a top-four defenseman ...
Source: http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...t-for-sullivan

June 27, 2011
- The Vancouver Canucks re-signed D Kevin Bieksa to a 5-year, $23m deal ($4.6m/year cap hit)
- The Vancouver Canucks re-signed F Maxim Lapierre to a 2-year, $2m deal ($1m/year cap hit)

June 22, 2011
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Talks between pending UFA blueliner Kevin Bieksa and the Canucks are progressing. The betting money is a deal gets done.
Link: http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...atch-continues

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The agent for pending UFA blueliner Christian Ehrhoff, Rick Curran, told ESPN.com Monday he has had a conversation with the Vancouver Canucks since the Cup finals ended and the two sides plan on meeting in Minnesota this week to continue that conversation. Maybe it's just me, but with the Detroit Red Wings openly flaunting their intention to be aggressive July 1 on the blue-line front, I'd be keeping all my options open if I were Ehrhoff, even though he does love playing in Vancouver.
Link: http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...bryzgalov-more

Unrestricted Free Agents:
F Raffi Torres (Signed with the Phoenix Coyotes, NHL)
F Chris Higgins (Re-Signed by the Vancouver Canucks)
F Tanner Glass (Signed with the Winnipeg Jets, NHL)
F Jeff Tambellini
F Alex Bolduc (Signed with the Phoenix Coyotes, NHL)
F Rick Rypien
F Jonas Andersson (Signed with Atlant Mytishchi, KHL (Russia))
F Guillaume Desbiens
F Andrew Peters (Announced Retirement February 11, 2011)
D Kevin Bieksa (Re-Signed by the Vancouver Canucks)
D Christian Ehrhoff (Traded to the New York Islanders for a 2012 4th Round Draft Pick)
D Sami Salo (Re-Signed by the Vancouver Canucks)
D Andrew Alberts (Re-Signed by the Vancouver Canucks)
D Nolan Baumgartner
D Nathan Paetesch (Signed with Grizzly Adams Wolfberg, DEL (Germany))
G Tyler Weiman

Restricted Free Agents:
F Jannik Hansen
F Maxim Lapierre (Re-Signed by the Vancouver Canucks)
F Victor Oreskovich
F Sergei Shirokov (Signed with CSKA Moscow, KHL (Russia))
F Mario Bliznak (Signed with HC Sparta Praha, Czech League (Czech Republic))
F Macgregor Sharp
D Lee Sweatt (Not tendered a Qualifying Offer)

Vancouver Canucks' Current Starting Lineup:
D. Sedin(6.1) - H. Sedin(6.1) - Burrows(2)
Sturm(2.25) - Kesler(5) - Samuelsson(2.5)
Higgins(1.9) - Malhotra(2.5) - Raymond(2.55)
Mancari(.525) - Lapierre(1) - Ebbett(.525)

Bieksa(4.6) - Hamhuis(4.5)
Edler(3.25) - Ballard(4.2)
Alberts(1.225) - Salo(2)

Rome(.750)

Luongo(5.33)
Schneider(.900)

More to be updated.


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06-28-2011, 11:29 PM
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Minor mod request: how difficult would it be for you guys to start new continuation threads by splicing in the last page of discussion from the previous thread? If it's a lot of work it's probably not worth it, but otherwise I think it would be nice.

To reiterate what I said at the end of the last thread, I would like to see Gillis add Steve Montador, who would be an exceptional #5 defender that could easily play Top 4 minutes if the expected happens and our lineup being ravaged by injuries.

Barring that, I suspect Gillis has a number of contingency plans in place to make a move for one -- or multiple -- defenders. I don't think Ehrhoff walking was strictly about 500k. If Gillis didn't think he had other options, we would have seen him knuckle under. As little as a week ago Gillis was saying he was intent to re-sign all three of his UFA defenders: does he really go from there to trading Ehrhoff's rights over 500-700k? Part of me expects a trade nobody had really speculated about (which he does often) or a very large move via free agency or the trade market that has been speculated about but nobody believed would happen.

On a less "out there" front, how would people feel about going into next year with Simon Gagne and Steve Montador in the line-up for, say, 6.5 million, vs Christian Ehrhoff for 5.5?

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Minor mod request: how difficult would it be for you guys to start new continuation threads by splicing in the last page of discussion from the previous thread? If it's a lot of work it's probably not worth it, but otherwise I think it would be nice.

To reiterate what I said at the end of the last thread, I would like to see Gillis add Steve Montador, who would be an exceptional #5 defender that could easily play Top 4 minutes if the expected happens and our lineup being ravaged by injuries.

Barring that, I suspect Gillis has a number of contingency plans in place to make a move for one -- or multiple -- defenders. I don't think Ehrhoff walking was strictly about 500k. If Gillis didn't think he had other options, we would have seen him knuckle under. As little as a week ago Gillis was saying he was intent to re-sign all three of his UFA defenders: does he really go from there to trading Ehrhoff's rights over 500-700k? Part of me expects a trade nobody had really speculated about (which he does often) or a very large move via free agency or the trade market that has been speculated about but nobody believed would happen.

On a less "out there" front, how would people feel about going into next year with Simon Gagne and Steve Montador in the line-up for, say, 6.5 million, vs Christian Ehrhoff for 5.5?
I would be open to that, but I'm still hopeful that Gillis can pull off something "bold".

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To continue what I was saying, we can now roll with:
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Salo
Ballard-Tanev

Don't think we have the pieces to trade for Havlat anymore, so we might make a run at whoever's available in FA, mainly Richards and Gagne.

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Seems everyone wants Montador - seems to be a good fit - remember watching him during the Flames' playoff run a few years back, was excellent - very poised for a guy virtually dropped into the middle of the Stanley Cup playoffs from the AHL. Big plus he's right handed which I think was a problem for Ehrhoff in the playoffs - its tough not to make mistakes off your backhand against forechecking pressure

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For the below roster, you'd have to drop about 2.0 million when Raymond was ready to come off LTIR -- whenever that is. Oreskovich you offer 500k on a one-way deal and he'll probably take it. He'd be a good 13th forward.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Simon Gagne ($5.000m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m)
Cody Hodgson ($1.666m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.325m)
Michael Rupp ($1.300m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Anthony Stewart ($0.800m)
Victor Oreskovich ($0.500m) / Mason Raymond ($2.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Sami Salo ($2.000m)
Keith Ballard ($4.200m) / Steve Montador ($1.550m)
Chris Tanev ($0.900m) / Aaron Rome ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Cory Schneider ($0.900m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,124,999; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): -$1,824,999

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Montador is a must in my opinion. I wonder if people will be willing to overpay for him. I'd like him for no more than 2mil a year, I wonder if that's possible. If we can grab him and Gagne, we'll be looking good!

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Montador does play the right side iirc. He would be more NHL safe as an option than Chris Tanev. Tanev might be better served as a waiver-exempt call-up when injuries hit, rather than playing 12-14 minutes a night on the third pairing. There are also rumours out there that Montador has made it quietly known that he would love to come to Vancouver and will take a bit less to do so. Not sure how valid those are.

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For the below roster, you'd have to drop about 2.0 million when Raymond was ready to come off LTIR -- whenever that is. Oreskovich you offer 500k on a one-way deal and he'll probably take it. He'd be a good 13th forward.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Simon Gagne ($5.000m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m)
Cody Hodgson ($1.666m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.325m)
Michael Rupp ($1.300m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Anthony Stewart ($0.800m)
Victor Oreskovich ($0.500m) / Mason Raymond ($2.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Sami Salo ($2.000m)
Keith Ballard ($4.200m) / Steve Montador ($1.550m)
Chris Tanev ($0.900m) / Aaron Rome ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Cory Schneider ($0.900m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,124,999; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): -$1,824,999
I hope Gagne doesn't cost us 5 mil. I would hope for nothing more than 3.5 mil for a very injury prone player. that would also give us some lee way for injuries and for a deadline acquistion.

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From what Gillis said, it seems like he's pretty confident that Salo will be back next season. If he can get him at a decent rate, and sign a guy such as Montador, I'd be content with that. I don't think it would be such a bad idea to have Tanev start the season in the AHL and use him as a call-up, as injuries are going to happen.

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Defensively, Steve Montador is basically the actual version of what Alain Vigneault thinks Aaron Rome is. Plus he can get points.

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I hope Gagne doesn't cost us 5 mil. I would hope for nothing more than 3.5 mil for a very injury prone player. that would also give us some lee way for injuries and for a deadline acquistion.
Fat chance, but it would be nice You might get him for 4-ish if you give him 4 years, but if you want him on a one-year deal you're probably looking at around 5. He will be in demand.

However, if he gets hurt, you have your cap relief and lee-way at the deadline anyway, I guess.

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.550m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Kristian Huselius ($4.750m)
Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Joel Ward ($2.100m)
Raffi Torres ($1.500m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.500m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.612m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Sami Salo ($1.500m)
Keith Ballard ($4.200m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Aaron Rome ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Cory Schneider ($0.900m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,145,833; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $154,167

I have NO idea what the cost it would take to get Huselius, but he's coming off a fairly down year due to injuries, has a bit of an albatross contract and I'm not sure where he stands after the Carter trade, this should probably drive down the price and I'm sure he's got one more good year left in him AT LEAST. He's pretty much like Havlat, but .25 million lower.

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IMO I don't think Salo comes in at that much of a reduction. Just a feeling. I think he'll be closer to $2.25-$2.5m...$2m would be nice though.

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Fat chance, but it would be nice You might get him for 4-ish if you give him 4 years, but if you want him on a one-year deal you're probably looking at around 5. He will be in demand.

However, if he gets hurt, you have your cap relief and lee-way at the deadline anyway, I guess.
I think the problem would be that it leaves a big hole to replace. Gagne, when healthy is still a solid player. Maybe worth the risk.

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.550m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Kristian Huselius ($4.750m)
Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Joel Ward ($2.100m)
Raffi Torres ($1.500m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.500m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.612m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Sami Salo ($1.500m)
Keith Ballard ($4.200m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Aaron Rome ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Cory Schneider ($0.900m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,145,833; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $154,167

I have NO idea what the cost it would take to get Huselius, but he's coming off a fairly down year due to injuries, has a bit of an albatross contract and I'm not sure where he stands after the Carter trade, this should probably drive down the price and I'm sure he's got one more good year left in him AT LEAST. He's pretty much like Havlat, but .25 million lower.
No thank you to Mr.November. AKA Huselius. Guy is a ghost after november and is soft.

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According to Jeff Angus, he thinks Gagne wants to stay in the east. If that's true,Leino, Montador are really the only guys I want, besides upgrades to the 4th line.

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The source I have that said Montador wanted to be a Canuck and would take less is talking to me again.

The word in the street is that Ehrhoff wanted slightly over $5.3m over 6 years or so and he thought it was already a significant hometown discount.

Montador's camp already knows they want to come to Vancouver but Gillis still has some other plans. Gillis said that he is aware of Montador's interest in becoming a Canuck but there are a few options he would like to explore first. Failing those he would like to bring in Montador assuming the cap works.

Gillis wants to check out adding top 6 offensive talent first but if their plans fail then Gillis would be happy to beef up defensive depth by bringing in Montador.

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Just say "NO" to big ticket UFA's...not worth it. Wait till the smoke clears and let Gillis work a trade or two.

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Does Montador play the left side as well?

Wondering if Ballard, in a fair world, would get a healthy and long look at playing with Edler. They looked real good when they played together, however short a span that was (3 games?).

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Ballard
Montador - Salo

That wouldn't be half bad, presuming Ballard plays alright. Give the extra money to get Kesler some linemates as well as add greater overall depth. Not terrible. Losing Ehrhoff sucks, but it's not the end of the world.

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No thank you to Mr.November. AKA Huselius. Guy is a ghost after november and is soft.
Not sure where that perception comes from. He was pretty average in regards to his regular season production in the month of October 2010. He didn't even play November.

In the 2009-10 season he had 43 point in 52 games after November, which was pretty much on par with his season point production.

I won't argue with him being soft though.

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According to Jeff Angus, he thinks Gagne wants to stay in the east. If that's true,Leino, Montador are really the only guys I want, besides upgrades to the 4th line.
I've said this before, don't see Gagne coming out West when he's likely to have lots of offers from Eastern teams.

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I wonder what kind of number Anton Babchuck is going to demand on the FA market?

He's got a wicked shot and good size and is probably good for 35+ points in a full season. While he's big, he's not overly physical but he does move pretty well and he's a right hand shot. He may not be a "Mike Gillis" guy, as he had some character issues (drinking, bolting for Russia, etc.) early in his career, but he's 27 now and appears to have matured.

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I wonder what kind of number Anton Babchuck is going to demand on the FA market?

He's got a wicked shot and good size and is probably good for 35+ points in a full season. While he's big, he's not overly physical but he does move pretty well and he's a right hand shot. He may not be a "Mike Gillis" guy, as he had some character issues (drinking, bolting for Russia, etc.) early in his career, but he's 27 now and appears to have matured.
People around here didn't take to kindly to me pimping him as an alternative to Ehrhoff a couple weeks ago.

You guys change your tune?

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You would have to think the Canucks are going to make a serious push for either Richards, or someone through a trade. They just have way to much cap space and not a lot of key holes to fill. Gillis isn't just going to let that cap space sit around and collect dust on a team that was one game away from a cup. I guess the other possibility would be to go after Gagne, and another forward.

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