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06-28-2011, 01:12 AM
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Pred's Steve Sullivan won't be back with Nashville. Oft injured have to wonder if he can find a home or have to retire.

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FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Benn Ferriero ($0.850m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Ryane Clowe ($3.625m)
Ethan Moreau ($2.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Ales Hemsky ($4.100m)
Jamie McGinn ($0.725m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.500m) / Ben Eager ($0.965m)
/ Cameron MacIntyre ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.666m) / Douglas Murray ($2.500m)
Brent Burns ($3.550m) / Justin Braun ($0.875m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Mike Moore ($0.512m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,260,834; BONUSES: $587,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $39,166

Trade picks/prospects and Mitchell for Hemsky. He is a speedy winger that could work in any of our top lines. He is signed for 1 more year which means he would probably be a rental, but would make our offense lethal. Then sign Ethan Moreau to add more depth. We could then try to acquire a defensman at the deadline if Braun doesn't pan out or we need more depth for playoffs.

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Torres is so much of what we need. Energy, Big, Speed, Hard hitting, Occasional goal scorer (with pavs probably good for 15-20). Torres is one guy, i think would be crucial to our playoff run.

And how the HELL Do you forget OTT? he's worse then the other 3 combined...



Torres hits are clean most of the time, unless its a charge or interference. he doesnt hit the head (usually) and never uses his elbow. Ott and Cooke are cheap shot artists. Avery is well, a massive Troll and cancer.

+It helps our playoff chances if he doesnt get a chance to hit OUR players.
have you forgotten Mihalek playoff concussion number one? Screw Torres.

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FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Ryane Clowe ($3.625m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m) / Marty Reasoner ($1.500m) / Kyle Wellwood ($1.750m)
Ben Eager ($1.250m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.500m) / Michael Rupp ($1.000m)

DEFENSEMEN
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Brent Burns ($3.550m)
Jason Strudwick ($0.900m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Justin Braun ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m)


SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,275,001; BONUSES: $587,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,024,999

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My roster.
I think you're slightly overpaying Wellwood plus Eager shouldn't get a raise. And Strudwick is definition of a tool. Trust me, you don't want him. Rather have Huskins at that price.

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Bummer, Dupuis re-signed with the Pens (2 yrs/$3m total).

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Ryane Clowe ($3.625m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m) / Marty Reasoner ($1.500m) / Kyle Wellwood ($1.750m)
Ben Eager ($1.250m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.500m) / Michael Rupp ($1.000m)

DEFENSEMEN
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Brent Burns ($3.550m)
Jason Strudwick ($0.900m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Justin Braun ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m)


SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,275,001; BONUSES: $587,500CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,024,999

My roster.
I hate to remind everybody but this is the last year of the CBA so- ALL BONUSES COUNT AGAINST THIS YEAR'S cap.. there is no rollover to next year; and the bonuses count to the cap until the actual bonus required can not be made (ie. 41 game played requirement and only 40 games left )

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06-28-2011, 11:08 AM
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Torres is so much of what we need. Energy, Big, Speed, Hard hitting, Occasional goal scorer (with pavs probably good for 15-20). Torres is one guy, i think would be crucial to our playoff run.

And how the HELL Do you forget OTT? he's worse then the other 3 combined...



Torres hits are clean most of the time, unless its a charge or interference. he doesnt hit the head (usually) and never uses his elbow. Ott and Cooke are cheap shot artists. Avery is well, a massive Troll and cancer.

+It helps our playoff chances if he doesnt get a chance to hit OUR players.
am i missing something, cuz Vancouver didnt win the Cup. Edmonton didnt win the Cup. Torres should NOT be on this team for many reasons. team chemistry is the top reason. how did Avery in Dallas work out? exactly.

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06-28-2011, 11:21 AM
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This an awful UFA class and teams have a lot of cap space. I'm not going to lose much sleep over DW not making a lot of moves early on.

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]This an awful UFA class and teams have a lot of cap space.[/B] I'm not going to lose much sleep over DW not making a lot of moves early on.
I completely agree. I would guess that DW has his "targets" that he'll offer a contract that he thinks is fair but I'm not really expecting him to do much early on either.

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Carolina would like to re-sign Erik Cole, but it doesn't sound like the two sides are close at the moment. However,these things turn quickly

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Carolina would like to re-sign Erik Cole, but it doesn't sound like the two sides are close at the moment. However,these things turn quickly
Yeah. It is a little interesting because I don't recall as many signings in the past in the last week before sweeps day. I wonder what mechanism changed it (cap increase?).

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Yeah. It is a little interesting because I don't recall as many signings in the past in the last week before sweeps day. I wonder what mechanism changed it (cap increase?).
Cap increase plus the not so good UFA group. Teams seem happy to keep the players they know rather than chance it in the UFA sweeps. I also think the expiring CBA may have a little bit to do with it.

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What do you think he'd be looking for? If he's real cheap he could be a nice add

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06-28-2011, 11:53 AM
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What do you think he'd be looking for? If he's real cheap he could be a nice add
He's coming off a $2.9 million cap hit and had 26 goals last year. He'll get $3.5 on the open market this year pretty easily.

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He's coming off a $2.9 million cap hit and had 26 goals last year. He'll get $3.5 on the open market this year pretty easily.
cole is, not sullivan. I had to go double check, i was wondering how in the hell sullivan scored so many goals from IR.

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am i missing something, cuz Vancouver didnt win the Cup. Edmonton didnt win the Cup. Torres should NOT be on this team for many reasons. team chemistry is the top reason. how did Avery in Dallas work out? exactly.
Avery and Torres arent the same. Avery is a cancer that CHIRPS EVERYBODY all day long. He doesnt care he just chirps people.

Torres hits people, and helps his team win. We need this type of nastiness on our team. Our 3rd line was soft as a pillow, which is why our 3rd line got owned in the Van series. Torres makes this line, Tough. If its not working out, he can be traded somewhere else for nothing mid season, but id take the chance on him.

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If Laich got $4.5mil, Cole would want at least that, I assume.

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I was thinking about lineups here and seeing what we can live with until the deadline, and so figure out what should be targeted during free agency. Few things to consider.

1) Sharks are likely to be able to target and sign one 'big' player on day one. With the rapidfire signings that happen they simply don't have time to 'play the field'. Which position should they target? Which player?

2) If the Sharks were going to move Niitty, they probably would have done so by now. If they plan to keep him, how does the roster pan out?

3) The Sharks are likely to pick up some 'spare parts' players once the music stops and there are players left without chairs. Which positions should they target for those spots?

Here is what I am thinking right now.

1 - Sharks biggest need, that they cannot fill from within, is PK ability, faceoffs, and bottom six scoring. Anyone we have in the system is not going to have enough experience to be a difference maker on the PK. With that said, I believe the #1 target should be Talbot. I would offer him upto 1.5m deal at 3+ years (he wants term supposedly). He's still very young and pretty sturdy. No reason not to keep him around long term.

2 - I think there is still a chance Niitty is moved prior to Friday, but I am going to assume for the sake of argument that he is not.

3 - Spare parts wise I think the guys that are likely to end up without a partner when the music stops are the guys who overvalue themselves. That might be slim pickins this year considering the UFA class and the cap space most teams have. Sharks should target speedy wingers like Cole, Jokinen, or whoever is available. Also a #6/#7 LH defensive defensemen (I'm fine with Huskins here, for cheap).

So how would the team look? Here is what I am thinking:

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FORWARDS
Jamie McGinn ($0.750m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Dany Heatley ($7.500m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Jussi Jokinen ($2.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Ben Eager ($0.965m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.500m) / Brandon Mashinter ($0.719m)

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Burns ($3.550m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Justin Braun ($0.875m)
Kent Huskins ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,059,168; BONUSES: $737,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,240,832

Something along those lines. Obviously no Leino, or Ward, but theres still some cap space in case one of those guys is interested in coming here. Jokinen I think we have a decent shot at, and fills our needs pretty well. Talbot could be replaced by Konopka, but Talbot would be the better option.

I'm pretty happy with that team, and we have a ton of cap space left to fill needs at the deadline if players can not stop up (Mcginn, Mitchell, Eager, etc).

I think we give Mcginn a shot on Thornton's wing. He adds speed, forechecking, and a good shot. He's defensively responsible and allows us to put Heatley back where he is most effective, with JT. If Mcginn still can't cut it, we replace him later in the season. We could also try Mitchell there, but he doesn't have the shooting ability, but is better defensively.

I think it's a solid team, it's cup caliber, and depending on how the kids pan out can be easily upgraded at the deadline without too much of a chemistry issue.

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What do you guys think about Teddy Purcell and Sean Bergenheim from TB? Purcell got a QO, but since he's only had 1 good season so far, I'm sure he can be had for around 2.5-3 million. That's only a 2nd round pick as compensation - and he had a pretty solid season last year, and even better playoffs. Bergenheim I think would also be a good 3rd line player that can probably be had for 1.5 million or so. So if we can throw ~4 -4.5 million in cap space, and just a 2nd round pick to get both these guys, I think it could shore up our 3rd line. Throw Mitchell or Wellwood onto that line, and I think we end up with 3 deep lines once again! We'll also have just enough money to round out the 4th line, and add a bottom 2 Defenseman. If we get rid of Niitty, we'll have even more leftover to get a better D-man.

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If Laich got $4.5mil, Cole would want at least that, I assume.

Yeah, Laich's contract just made it that much tougher for us.


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I think it's a solid team, it's cup caliber, and depending on how the kids pan out can be easily upgraded at the deadline without too much of a chemistry issue.
What makes you think that a guy who put up 65 points will sign for 2 million?

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not really. the cap going up screwed up the numbers. LeBrun said Laich used Legwand as a comp. Laich > Legwand..

^^ and i'll stay away from Bergenheim. if he wanted $1.5M, he would have been signed already.. he wants $3M. at that point, it's not close to being worth it. Steve Yzerman doesnt make mistakes. if Bergey leaves, he's not very good. product of the system.

no capgeek, but this is what i'm looking at.

Marleau - Thornton - Heatley
Clowe - Couture - Pavelski
Upshall - Reasoner - Ward
McGinn - Deshardins - Mitchell
Eager

Burns - Boyle
Murray - Demers
Vlasic - Braun
Huskins

Niemi
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No need to resign White at this point. They already have Boyle,Burns,and Demers. No need for another Right-handed PMD. If anything, they could use another lefty.

Sturm or Kobasew could be good fits on the 3rd line.
I wondered about this myself. You think Marco would sign cheapish to come back? If he was injury free, he'd be a decent top 9 forward wouldn't he?

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I was thinking about lineups here and seeing what we can live with until the deadline, and so figure out what should be targeted during free agency. Few things to consider.

1) Sharks are likely to be able to target and sign one 'big' player on day one. With the rapidfire signings that happen they simply don't have time to 'play the field'. Which position should they target? Which player?

2) If the Sharks were going to move Niitty, they probably would have done so by now. If they plan to keep him, how does the roster pan out?

3) The Sharks are likely to pick up some 'spare parts' players once the music stops and there are players left without chairs. Which positions should they target for those spots?

Here is what I am thinking right now.

1 - Sharks biggest need, that they cannot fill from within, is PK ability, faceoffs, and bottom six scoring. Anyone we have in the system is not going to have enough experience to be a difference maker on the PK. With that said, I believe the #1 target should be Talbot. I would offer him upto 1.5m deal at 3+ years (he wants term supposedly). He's still very young and pretty sturdy. No reason not to keep him around long term.


EDIT: I mean Jokinen will get MORE than 2, more around 3 mil I'm guessing.

2 - I think there is still a chance Niitty is moved prior to Friday, but I am going to assume for the sake of argument that he is not.

3 - Spare parts wise I think the guys that are likely to end up without a partner when the music stops are the guys who overvalue themselves. That might be slim pickins this year considering the UFA class and the cap space most teams have. Sharks should target speedy wingers like Cole, Jokinen, or whoever is available. Also a #6/#7 LH defensive defensemen (I'm fine with Huskins here, for cheap).

So how would the team look? Here is what I am thinking:

R

FORWARDS
Jamie McGinn ($0.750m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Dany Heatley ($7.500m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Jussi Jokinen ($2.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Ben Eager ($0.965m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.500m) / Brandon Mashinter ($0.719m)

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Burns ($3.550m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Justin Braun ($0.875m)
Kent Huskins ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,059,168; BONUSES: $737,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,240,832

Something along those lines. Obviously no Leino, or Ward, but theres still some cap space in case one of those guys is interested in coming here. Jokinen I think we have a decent shot at, and fills our needs pretty well. Talbot could be replaced by Konopka, but Talbot would be the better option.

I'm pretty happy with that team, and we have a ton of cap space left to fill needs at the deadline if players can not stop up (Mcginn, Mitchell, Eager, etc).

I think we give Mcginn a shot on Thornton's wing. He adds speed, forechecking, and a good shot. He's defensively responsible and allows us to put Heatley back where he is most effective, with JT. If Mcginn still can't cut it, we replace him later in the season. We could also try Mitchell there, but he doesn't have the shooting ability, but is better defensively.

I think it's a solid team, it's cup caliber, and depending on how the kids pan out can be easily upgraded at the deadline without too much of a chemistry issue.

From an eyeball Jokinen looks to be too high. I'm assuming you mean Jussi

He will get somewhere in 3mil. Use Seto as a comparable - Jokinen had a 30 goal season 2 seasons ago, and this season he had a 19 goal season, with 52 points. Unfortunately, if Talbot is getting 1.5, I don't see Jussi getting 2.


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