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06-28-2011, 01:04 PM
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CBJ 2011 Offseason Thread II (All Proposals, Speculation, Blog Rumors in here)

thoughts on waiver claiming (slash reentry waivers) Cam Barker? wouldn't have to trade anyone and perhaps he regains form...?

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thoughts on waiver claiming (slash reentry waivers) Cam Barker? wouldn't have to trade anyone and perhaps he regains form...?
Maybe. Supposedly the folks at A2Y want him in Detroit, however, which I would vastly prefer as that means less UFA market competition.

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thoughts on waiver claiming (slash reentry waivers) Cam Barker? wouldn't have to trade anyone and perhaps he regains form...?
Waiver no. Re-entry.. Maybe... As a 7th d-man experiment. Hasn't worked out when we tried in the past. Not hopeful.

An no, to you out there, I don't care if the Wild fans hated him. I don't know why anyone should care if fans hate a player or not. If you listed to your fans last year you would think Tyutin was the worst defensemen in the NHL. Not worthy of a roster spot... Anywhere.

Only saying this because I'm pretty sure someone posted that a few pages back.

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If Barker gets bought out, perhaps a camp invite?

In order for him to be claimed on re-entry, 1/2 price, they have to call him back right?

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he's a potential 40 pt dman...i'm just not certain if he's lost it skill-wise or if it was the scheme he was in up there and a(nother) change of scenery would do well...

just trying to think with my howson hat on (and yes my head hurt when I did try that)

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Waiver no. Re-entry.. Maybe... As a 7th d-man experiment. Hasn't worked out when we tried in the past. Not hopeful.

An no, to you out there, I don't care if the Wild fans hated him. I don't know why anyone should care if fans hate a player or not. If you listed to your fans last year you would think Tyutin was the worst defensemen in the NHL. Not worthy of a roster spot... Anywhere.

Only saying this because I'm pretty sure someone posted that a few pages back.
I think the Hawks fans hated him as well. Seems like he is a party guy. Would fit in with Carter.

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No Cam Barker please. We need proven talent, not potential talent that will likely never make itself known.

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Unless there's a deal out there for an accurate, right-handed 2nd line winger, I think the CBJ would just focus on the backend going forward.

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Oh sure Viqsi, bury the Johansen for Yandle bit in the last post or two in the old thread.

Wow, that one would take a real set to pull the trigger on.

Johansen and Carter are what I want to build on up the middle. I'd give up everyone else (prospect wise and most of the roster players), including our #1 pick next year, before I considered Johansen.

Having said that Phx is at 31.5 million with 15 players. They are only committed, right now, to 7.5 million next year (3 million of that is Klesla). Yandle is a non-topic. They have no issue bringing him back, they can match any offer sheet.

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I think the Hawks fans hated him as well. Seems like he is a party guy. Would fit in with Carter.
Could be, wouldn't be the first player. And no I don't care what the Hawks fans think either. When fans get on a player, they tend to go mob and pile on. Justified or not.

He has a rep around the league at the high levels, I'll let Howson make the call on that one to see if justified.

I don't expect him to be on this team. Especially if he has baggage.

Having said that, the Cam Barker in 2008 was a treat to watch. He's in there somewhere.

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Here is my stab at a lineup. its probably more realistic as to what the team might actually spend.

I threw in Adam Hall from TBL as a cheap 4th liner to help fill out the lineup on the dream that Pahlsson would be traded for draft picks to rid ourselves of the 2.6 he is getting paid for some relief considering we'll also have to deal with the Commodore buyout.

I'm probably way off but I figured I'd take a shot and see what I could come up with that I would like to see.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Kristian Huselius ($4.750m)
R.J. Umberger ($3.750m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Antoine Vermette ($3.750m)
Matt Calvert ($0.891m) / Ryan Johansen ($1.945m) / Derek Dorsett ($0.562m)
Jared Boll ($0.725m) / Derek MacKenzie ($0.600m) / Adam Hall ($0.600m)
/ Maxim Mayorov ($0.862m)

DEFENSEMEN
Fedor Tyutin ($2.843m) / Joni Pitkanen ($5.200m)
Grant Clitsome ($1.250m) / Anton Babchuk ($2.250m)
Marc Methot ($2.250m) / Kris Russell ($1.300m)
/ Nick Holden ($0.675m)

GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($2.900m) / Josh Harding ($1.500m)

BUYOUTS: Duvie Westcott ($0.616m)

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(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,494,810; BONUSES: $1,350,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $8,805,189

There goes my underdog Adam Hall pickup since he re-signed with TBL today.

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This is from Bob McKenzie:

It's believed that Van is asking other teams if they have any interest in acquiring negotiating rights to Erhoff.

So I pose the question, what would you give up to acquire the negotiating rights to Erhoff?

http://twitter.com/#!/TSNBobMcKenzie

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06-28-2011, 01:41 PM
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No Cam Barker please. We need proven talent, not potential talent that will likely never make itself known.
I don't care who we select as the 7th defensemen. If things don't work out we put him on waivers and possibly give him the Commie treatment.

Just depends on how much money Howson is willing to risk on an experiment. In all likely hood that 1.5 million or so on Barker wouldn't be in play for anything anyway based on what Howson seems to be doing right now.

I'm certainly not saying "do it". But you're probably going to have to justify "not doing it" better than what you are to his point. Barker is a proven talent. He just hasn't proven he's willing to do in the last couple of years.

I'm probably against it, but then again this is a contract year for Barker. Someone is probably going to sign him for a 1 year contract if he gets bought out.

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There goes my underdog Adam Hall pickup since he re-signed with TBL today.
I don't see us being able to move Pahlsson's contract during the summer. Pencil him in as the 4th line center, move MacKenzie to 4th line winger and your forward lines make a lot of sense.

Exchange Pikanen with a right-handed shooter and I think you've got the blueline figured out too.

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This is from Bob McKenzie:

It's believed that Van is asking other teams if they have any interest in acquiring negotiating rights to Erhoff.

So I pose the question, what would you give up to acquire the negotiating rights to Erhoff?

http://twitter.com/#!/TSNBobMcKenzie
Conditional second round or second tier prospect. I'd give em Pahlsson... lol

At that point, it's like how does 6 million per over 8 years sound to you? We are going to treat you like Redden... Be gentile....

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Conditional second round or second tier prospect. I'd give em Pahlsson... lol
Agreed. The Pahlsson remark is seconded!

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Conditional second round or second tier prospect. I'd give em Pahlsson... lol
Opportunity is knocking. Howson needs to answer.

If he can lock up Ehrhoff before July 1, needs to do it. It is worth a shot.

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That brings us to the question whats the max we could throw at Ehrhoff...(or atleast the max you see us giving him.)? I'd say 6.5 is the very very top and try and get him for 6.

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This is from Bob McKenzie:

It's believed that Van is asking other teams if they have any interest in acquiring negotiating rights to Erhoff.

So I pose the question, what would you give up to acquire the negotiating rights to Erhoff?

http://twitter.com/#!/TSNBobMcKenzie
Hmmm... that's a small window of opportunity, but one that should be pursued. It may be our only chance to sign one of the big names.

The cost? I dunno. 2012 mid-rounder? Defensive prospect not named Moore, Savard, or Goulebef (sp)? If you're going for it, Good Luck, Niles.

Hell, throw in the rights to Upshall FWIW.

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That brings us to the question whats the max we could throw at Ehrhoff...(or atleast the max you see us giving him.)? I'd say 6.5 is the very very top and try and get him for 6.
Probably about the right range. But it will be interesting to see what sort of crazy numbers result from the cap increase.

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Opportunity is knocking. Howson needs to answer.

If he can lock up Ehrhoff before July 1, needs to do it. It is worth a shot.
They probably aren't going to get better than a conditional second. Be aggressive. Ehrhoff is probably worth more than what that second round pick would turn into.

You are correct, Van can't re-sign him with what they've committed to at this moment in time.

I can't agree with you more. Ehrhoff isn't my perfect pick, but he's a hell of a lot better then Redden or Commie on the decision making scale. This appears to be his change. If he fills 1C and 1D in the same off-season (and locked them up long term as well) it will be a very successful off season. No reason to not be in the hunt for the 4-8 seeds. Still need some work to get into that top 4.

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Oh sure Viqsi, bury the Johansen for Yandle bit in the last post or two in the old thread.

Wow, that one would take a real set to pull the trigger on.

Johansen and Carter are what I want to build on up the middle. I'd give up everyone else (prospect wise and most of the roster players), including our #1 pick next year, before I considered Johansen.

Having said that Phx is at 31.5 million with 15 players. They are only committed, right now, to 7.5 million next year (3 million of that is Klesla). Yandle is a non-topic. They have no issue bringing him back, they can match any offer sheet.
Not my fault the thread was getting long...

And yeah, I think it's extraordinarily unlikely. But, hey, folks were talking about the idea.

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That brings us to the question whats the max we could throw at Ehrhoff...(or atleast the max you see us giving him.)? I'd say 6.5 is the very very top and try and get him for 6.
I could see us topping out around the 7 mark. I'd start @ 6. He's about peaked on the offensive end around 50 points. Number seems quite fair.

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I could see us topping out around the 7 mark. I'd start @ 6. He's about peaked on the offensive end around 50 points. Number seems quite fair.
For whoever signs him, my guess is that he'll get Bouwmeester money, ie $6.5 - $7.0 million for no less than five years, on the open market.

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Haven't seen much of Ehrhoff, how is he in his D game? Better than other offensive D men, or just average?

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