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06-29-2011, 11:39 PM
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On 1040 with Moj it was either himself or someone he was interviewing said they knew a reporter with close ties to DET. That reporter said DET would not be throwing a bunch of money at FA.

DET not that desparate.
You think Kaberle would be a possible option for the Wings?

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You think Kaberle would be a possible option for the Wings?
I hope so.

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You think Kaberle would be a possible option for the Wings?
It wouldn't suprise me. While everyone is driving up Ehrhoff's price, Kaberle is the consolation prize that might be had at a low price. He was terrible for the Bruins but he's proven he can be a point producer and if the Red Wings can deal with Rafalski's warts I think they'd deal with Kaberle's at a reduced price.

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You think Kaberle would be a possible option for the Wings?
Who knows.

What I'm fairly sure of and what the reporter was saying and what MG philosophy is that throwing a bunch of money at a FA because everyone else might be does not win championships. It certainly doesn't create sustainable success.

Wonder what people will say if Ehrhoff signs with DET for 5 for 4 years.

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Wonder what people will say if Ehrhoff signs with DET for 5 for 4 years.
I'd say that he probably wanted to play in Detroit pretty badly; because I believe Gillis could and would have matched that for a four year deal.

Ehrhoff is going for a grand slam. I'd be very surprised if the first digit in his new contract is a 5.

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On 1040 with Moj it was either himself or someone he was interviewing said they knew a reporter with close ties to DET. That reporter said DET would not be throwing a bunch of money at FA.

DET not that desparate.
I have also heard rumours that Detroit was not high on either of Bieksa or Ehrhoff as replacements. Ehrhoff, imo, is getting severly overrated here. Take the twins away from his PP and he's a 35 point guy. He skates well, but is WEAK defensively. The Canucks, if they don't fiind someone now, will come across something during the year.

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I have also heard rumours that Detroit was not high on either of Bieksa or Ehrhoff as replacements. Ehrhoff, imo, is getting severly overrated here. Take the twins away from his PP and he's a 35 point guy. He skates well, but is WEAK defensively. The Canucks, if they don't fiind someone now, will come across something during the year.
Which is why he put up 42pts with the Sharks on their 2nd PP unit? Which is why he put up 44pts last year on the 2nd PP unit?

Like it or not, he is a good offensive player. Big shot, creates offense by putting the puck on net, and good hockey sense to know where the puck needs to be. Showed good vision at times for sure.

...and he's not weak defensively. If you want weak defensively, look at Bieksa's two years prior to last season. If Gillis fails to obtain another top 4 defenseman, I hope Bieksa doesn't feel the pressure to produce offensively and try to live up to his contract. Offensive Bieksa is dumb Bieksa.

But hey, now that he's gone, it's pretty obvious that he's ****.

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Apparently he turned down 5.5 mil / yr. So it'll take at least that to sign him.

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I have also heard rumours that Detroit was not high on either of Bieksa or Ehrhoff as replacements. Ehrhoff, imo, is getting severly overrated here. Take the twins away from his PP and he's a 35 point guy. He skates well, but is WEAK defensively. The Canucks, if they don't fiind someone now, will come across something during the year.
You make it sound like only the Sedins are good offensive players. If he goes to a good offensive team his output would likely be around the same level.

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Apparently he turned down 5.5 mil / yr. So it'll take at least that to sign him.
Turned it down from who? Us or the Islanders?

Just cuz he turned down big deals from the Islanders doesn't necessarily mean he's only looking for huge money. He may just want to see if he can get a higher offer than Vancouver gave him, but from a decent team like Detroit. If the Canucks highest offer was 4.6, I wouldnt be surprised to see him take just over 5 from Detroit if they offer it.

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Turned it down from who? Us or the Islanders?

Just cuz he turned down big deals from the Islanders doesn't necessarily mean he's only looking for huge money. He may just want to see if he can get a higher offer than Vancouver gave him, but from a decent team like Detroit. If the Canucks highest offer was 4.6, I wouldnt be surprised to see him take just over 5 from Detroit if they offer it.
Just because that was the highest offer doesn't mean they wouldn't have offered 5 if they thought it would get a deal done. The negotiations reportedly ended with the Ehrhoff camp saying they wouldn't go any lower than 5.3m for 6 years as they thought that was a very substantial discount already.

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06-30-2011, 12:59 AM
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Which is why he put up 42pts with the Sharks on their 2nd PP unit? Which is why he put up 44pts last year on the 2nd PP unit?

Like it or not, he is a good offensive player. Big shot, creates offense by putting the puck on net, and good hockey sense to know where the puck needs to be. Showed good vision at times for sure.

...and he's not weak defensively. If you want weak defensively, look at Bieksa's two years prior to last season. If Gillis fails to obtain another top 4 defenseman, I hope Bieksa doesn't feel the pressure to produce offensively and try to live up to his contract. Offensive Bieksa is dumb Bieksa.

But hey, now that he's gone, it's pretty obvious that he's ****.
Bieksa produced those on a less offensive team. And was expected to shoulder the load more than he is now.

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You make it sound like only the Sedins are good offensive players. If he goes to a good offensive team his output would likely be around the same level.
Ehrhoff was playing on a loaded PP, which he did have a helping hand in, but he was still maybe the 4th most important player on that PP.

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06-30-2011, 01:01 AM
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Just because that was the highest offer doesn't mean they wouldn't have offered 5 if they thought it would get a deal done. The negotiations reportedly ended with the Ehrhoff camp saying they wouldn't go any lower than 5.3m for 6 years as they thought that was a very substantial discount already.
I'm not criticizing how Gillis handled negotiations. I'm just saying that just because Ehrhoff turned town 5.5 from NYI, doesn't mean he is looking for 6 mil.

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I'm not criticizing how Gillis handled negotiations. I'm just saying that just because Ehrhoff turned town 5.5 from NYI, doesn't mean he is looking for 6 mil.
Who knows if it's the same *structured* contract as well (eg., signing bonuses which cause a fairly high front-end loaded contract). Don't think the Isles can afford to hand out a contract like that. I'm referring to the actual cash handed out to him in the 1st season - Isles are trying to be around the cap floor for a reason (eg., internal cash budget).

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Who knows if it's the same *structured* contract as well (eg., signing bonuses which cause a fairly high front-end loaded contract). Don't think the Isles can afford to hand out a contract like that. I'm referring to the actual cash handed out to him in the 1st season - Isles are trying to be around the cap floor for a reason (eg., internal cash budget).
That could have come into play too. IMHO, I think Ehrhoff wants to see if he can get a higher contract than what Vancouver offered him, but from a contender. I wouldn't be surprised to see him sign for under 5.5 with Detroit.

I'm not sure why the Isles even wasted their time with him if they weren't going to throw at least 6 mill towards him. I mean why would he sign with NYI for 5.5 when he could possibly get offered 5.3 from a contender.

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I love how the people who would readily throw 5.5 million+ for a glorified pp specialist, who is admittadly quite good at it, would likely be the first to complain when he didn't perform.

I posed this question to a co-worker today who is very pro-erhoff at any price:

How quickly would he be run out of town if he performed in thge PO's this year for 5.5 million? The pitchforks would be out before the first round was over.

This fan-base can be so bi-polar. Lou is a way better player, he wins us games @ 5.3 mill. How many games did ehrhoff win us this year? Maybe 2??? You gotta win for the team at that price and he doesn't. Bieksa at least won us 2 games in the po's. Ehrhoff took all season to do that.

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I like Ehrhoff, but don't forget that he was among the worst in +/-, not exactly a player that the team needs to hand out a big contract just to get him to stay.

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I like Ehrhoff, but don't forget that he was among the worst in +/-, not exactly a player that the team needs to hand out a big contract just to get him to stay.
Definitely. We want to compete every year and over paying ehrhoff will not improve our chances after this year.

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I'm not sure why the Isles even wasted their time with him if they weren't going to throw at least 6 mill towards him. I mean why would he sign with NYI for 5.5 when he could possibly get offered 5.3 from a contender.
I agree the Islanders shoulda made a bigger offer. I guess they were banking on term, but at 6 years that's only one year more than Bieksa. It almost seems like the Islanders do these sort of things for publicity.

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I love how the people who would readily throw 5.5 million+ for a glorified pp specialist, who is admittadly quite good at it, would likely be the first to complain when he didn't perform.

I posed this question to a co-worker today who is very pro-erhoff at any price:

How quickly would he be run out of town if he performed in thge PO's this year for 5.5 million? The pitchforks would be out before the first round was over.

This fan-base can be so bi-polar. Lou is a way better player, he wins us games @ 5.3 mill. How many games did ehrhoff win us this year? Maybe 2??? You gotta win for the team at that price and he doesn't. Bieksa at least won us 2 games in the po's. Ehrhoff took all season to do that.
I agree.

People get too caught up in winning free agency that they forget that you need to live with these contracts. Do we really want Christian Ehrhoff to be our second highest paid player? People need to accept that we're probably going to take a hit this offseason. Our forwards are going to be better then what we went into last year with, but our defence will be worse. Gillis will make some moves but we won't be signing any high end free agents. It's part of the ebb and flow of a capped league. It doesn't mean that our window is closing or any of that BS.

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You think Kaberle would be a possible option for the Wings?
Actually yes, with their coach/system and their current players Kaberle could be a fit in Detroit. Not a ridiculous deal but a modest one and he can very much fit in there.

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I agree.

People get too caught up in winning free agency that they forget that you need to live with these contracts. Do we really want Christian Ehrhoff to be our second highest paid player? People need to accept that we're probably going to take a hit this offseason. Our forwards are going to be better then what we went into last year with, but our defence will be worse. Gillis will make some moves but we won't be signing any high end free agents. It's part of the ebb and flow of a capped league. It doesn't mean that our window is closing or any of that BS.

$6m is star money, Ehrhoff is not a star quality player even if he puts up points.

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I love how the people who would readily throw 5.5 million+ for a glorified pp specialist, who is admittadly quite good at it, would likely be the first to complain when he didn't perform.

I posed this question to a co-worker today who is very pro-erhoff at any price:

How quickly would he be run out of town if he performed in thge PO's this year for 5.5 million? The pitchforks would be out before the first round was over.

This fan-base can be so bi-polar. Lou is a way better player, he wins us games @ 5.3 mill. How many games did ehrhoff win us this year? Maybe 2??? You gotta win for the team at that price and he doesn't. Bieksa at least won us 2 games in the po's. Ehrhoff took all season to do that.
I think what gets most people is that Ballard is still on the team set to make $4.2 million for the next 4 years. The notion that the Canucks couldn't afford Ehrhoff, or that he doesn't deserve that money, or that Gillis doesn't want too many big contracts on defense and whatnot kind of goes out the window when the guy who was #8 on the depth chart in the playoffs is making only about $1 million less than Ehrhoff could have likely been retained for.

Now I've supported Ballard all year and think he's gotten a rough ride from the coaches, but even if he plays up to his contract he's not going to be as effective or useful as Ehrhoff; he never has been in his career.

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