Removing Parros from the lineup removes any toughness we have in our bottom 6 and forces guys like Getzlaf etc to have to fight their own battles. There's a reason Carlyle played Parros as much as he did last season, he still fills a very important role. Just look at the games against St. Louis as examples of why you need toughness throughout your lineup. I think the bottom 6 has lost far too much size and grit as it is, removing Parros would only make the problem worse.
The problem is, Parros is no Brad May. May actually was effective both as an enforcer and a gritty grinding veteran, good enough to play with Getz/Perry and not hold them back. Parros can't do that, and playing him a regular shift doesn't change that fact.
It also hurts that we've never really replaced guys like Moen and Kunitz, who could take a regular shift and still serve as middle or welterweight enforcers. Not to mention, our D is much different as well.
Still, teams change, styles change. If we're not going to be as nasty as we were before, we'd better be better in other ways. We shouldn't cling to the past way of doing things, if we don't have the personnel to do it effectively. It's more important to be good at something new, rather than be mediocre at what we used to be great at.
Hmm, you know, I think I like it. It makes sense and we maybe wouldn`t lose guys like we did Bodie and Mikkelson.
I hated losing Bodie. I think he's going to be a decent bottom 6 player. I remember him having good forecheck. I think he would be a decent option for that 3rd line RW. He obviously didnt put up many of points in CAR last season but I could see him getting more points by forechecking and creating chances on that 3rd line.
As of now, since I havent seen many of our rookies play and im going on stats and hearsay alone, Im hoping for Gordon or DSP on that 3rd line. Gordon has some pretty nice AHL stats.
Removing Parros from the lineup removes any toughness we have in our bottom 6 and forces guys like Getzlaf etc to have to fight their own battles. There's a reason Carlyle played Parros as much as he did last season, he still fills a very important role. Just look at the games against St. Louis as examples of why you need toughness throughout your lineup. I think the bottom 6 has lost far too much size and grit as it is, removing Parros would only make the problem worse.
Parros is a fairly worthless deterrent. The heavyweights don't usually go after RPG and anyone else it's a case where either Parros won't fight them or they won't fight him, and he's too poor a skater to lay a punishing hit on anyone. The team needs some punishing middleweights, not Parros. Brookbank at this point is a far more effective policeman because he'll drop with anyone and not be so ridiculously larger that they will turtle and get a 7 minute PP like they will with Parros - and Brookbank isn't much of a fighter. Unless Parros has made strides with his skating he's just an anchor on the 4th line. Heavyweights who can't play are fast becoming a useless commodity.
Parros is a fairly worthless deterrent. The heavyweights don't usually go after RPG and anyone else it's a case where either Parros won't fight them or they won't fight him, and he's too poor a skater to lay a punishing hit on anyone. The team needs some punishing middleweights, not Parros. Brookbank at this point is a far more effective policeman because he'll drop with anyone and not be so ridiculously larger that they will turtle and get a 7 minute PP like they will with Parros - and Brookbank isn't much of a fighter. Unless Parros has made strides with his skating he's just an anchor on the 4th line. Heavyweights who can't play are fast becoming a useless commodity.
I think you and Paul are both right to a certain degree. Parros can throw them with the best of them, but the problem is that he doesn't "police" the ice in an effective manner. If a guy takes a run at Selanne or one of our star players, all Parros is probably going to do is yap at him and attempt to find someone that will fight him, however it's almost never the guy that commits the act. That doesn't strike any fear into the opposition imo. The only way you're going to scare them is if they fear you on the ice, Parros is too slow to do anything except between the whistles. The best "police" moment in Ducks history was Fedoruk's hit on Nedved. I don't remember what happened to make the Fridge do it, but I know it was a retaliation. Yes it was dirty, but that right there made people think twice about running our star players. An enforcer yapping that only fights other enforcers doesn't bother players or make them shy away from doing the same move again. I do think enforcers can be feared though, they just have to do more then Parros does. I still believe that Boogey was the most feared player in the league the past few years. Yes, it was because he was dirty, but while I don't enjoy someone being intentionally dirty, I do think pushing that line is needed by the enforcer to keep the other team aware of their presence. We need Parros (or a replacement) to do more then just fight. I'm not suggesting that he becomes a dirty player, but he's simply not doing enough for his role. The more I think about it, the more hope I have for McGrattan. An enforcer has to be noticed more then just when he fights. I love Parros, but we need more from him, or someone else, then we got last year.
I also think Paul is right though. Taking Parros off the roster and replacing him with Sexton is a very bad move IMO. Sexton is not a good enough player to remove almost all of your teams toughness out of the lineup. Parros use was limited last year, but I do like having him in the lineup in case things get really ugly. If you take Parros out, someone with some toughness needs to still be in the lineup. The only way I think it's ok to take out all the toughness like that is if you have prospects that are contributing regularly scoring wise. A good example is Getzlaf and Perry's rookie year. If we would have needed to scratch our "tough guy" to get them on the ice, I would have been all for it because they were useful each night. However, currently I see no one that warrants taking out all of our toughness out of the lineup.
Obviously things can (and probably will) change in camp, but here's what I'd like to see opening night:
Ya, I agree that Parros is mostly useless at this point.
However, I do think there is a place on teams for a guy LIKE Parros. Maybe Parros a couple years ago. He's just not that intimidating anymore imo. He doesnt do anything but fight and those fights are even that effective now imo.
He's also too nice now. Even if he is too slow to lay big hits, he has plenty of chances to lay big hits on the forecheck in the corners. Instead he either does this where he starts stopping right before and hits the guy as he's stopping, or hit turns around and hits the person with his back.
However, there still is a place on OUR team for Parros. He's all we have right now to police the other team and replacing him with Sexton wont be good. We just need someone that does what Parros does but more effective offensively or defensively. Until we have that, it's Parros in the lineup.
Edit: Do we have someone to replace Parros? I think we might, just not with Sexton.
I'm hoping Maroon can replace Parros. I bet he's a good fighter and, in the AHL at least, he hasn't been a black hole offensively. Parros is too classy, very frustrating to watch.
Ya, I agree that Parros is mostly useless at this point.
However, I do think there is a place on teams for a guy LIKE Parros. Maybe Parros a couple years ago. He's just not that intimidating anymore imo. He doesnt do anything but fight and those fights are even that effective now imo.
He's also too nice now. Even if he is too slow to lay big hits, he has plenty of chances to lay big hits on the forecheck in the corners. Instead he either does this where he starts stopping right before and hits the guy as he's stopping, or hit turns around and hits the person with his back.
However, there still is a place on OUR team for Parros. He's all we have right now to police the other team and replacing him with Sexton wont be good. We just need someone that does what Parros does but more effective offensively or defensively. Until we have that, it's Parros in the lineup.
Edit: Do we have someone to replace Parros? I think we might, just not with Sexton.
McGrattan seems like the most likely candidate, but it will take an extremely strong preseason and camp to overtake Parros. Carlyle and Murray both love him. Hell we all still love him, but I do think it's time to move on.
Maroon is an interesting option. The guy could prove to be more then just a 4th line "tough guy" type.
I want Parros gone. But not for a scorer or a rookie. I want a real intimidating presence. I don't think Parros does enough enforcing, and he doesn't hit in normal play. It doesn't even matter if replacement plays hockey as good as Parros, he just needs to actually enforce. Duckstudd is right about Fridge and Nedved. That's the kind of psycho we need sometimes. Which is why I wanted Konopka, he was psycho.
I actually would like more toughness throughout the lineup. Who hits anymore? Ryan and Getzlaf. That's about it. Maybe Beleskey? Don't expect it though.
We also need more PKers. Defensive centers. Cogliano is not going to help as a "center" because he can't be used as the faceoff guy on PKs. He needs another center out with him. Probably Koivu. So who's going to take draws on the 2nd unit?
I want Parros gone. But not for a scorer or a rookie. I want a real intimidating presence. I don't think Parros does enough enforcing, and he doesn't hit in normal play. It doesn't even matter if replacement plays hockey as good as Parros, he just needs to actually enforce. Duckstudd is right about Fridge and Nedved. That's the kind of psycho we need sometimes. Which is why I wanted Konopka, he was psycho.
I actually would like more toughness throughout the lineup. Who hits anymore? Ryan and Getzlaf. That's about it. Maybe Beleskey? Don't expect it though.
We also need more PKers. Defensive centers. Cogliano is not going to help as a "center" because he can't be used as the faceoff guy on PKs. He needs another center out with him. Probably Koivu. So who's going to take draws on the 2nd unit?
I was going to say something about Konopka in my post earlier but it was so long that I forgot to mention it. I still don't understand why he wasn't offered more by Murray then what he signed in Ottawa for. He would have filled two important needs on this team. Plus a PK duo of Konopka and Coggs could have been very solid.
I still remember Fridge's comments after the incident. "Teams have to know, you mess with our star players, we, and especially me, are coming after yours." That's what this team needs, that's real fear being imposed.
There have been far better, and far more "enforcer style" hits by Ducks players.
Kevin Sawyer on Cujo
Salei on Modano
Wiz on Seabrook
Parros does does play too classy, and trust me I scream for the knockout when he lets up, but he just needs the moment to go *******, a true linebrawl, when our players are at risk to show his worth. Stuey, aka the grim reaper, went absolutely certifiably insane during a stint with the queens....and it made everyone, his own team included, take notice. Parros does his job, and does it well.
I was going to say something about Konopka in my post earlier but it was so long that I forgot to mention it. I still don't understand why he wasn't offered more by Murray then what he signed in Ottawa for. He would have filled two important needs on this team. Plus a PK duo of Konopka and Coggs could have been very solid.
I still remember Fridge's comments after the incident. "Teams have to know, you mess with our star players, we, and especially me, are coming after yours." That's what this team needs, that's real fear being imposed.
I'm pretty sure we burned our bridges with Konopka when he left last time. There was definitely some animosity from Konopka's side and Murray was Burkes assistant when that happened.
I agree with wanting to get rid of Parros for an upgrade in the enforcing department, I was just pointing out that removing him to play Sexton would leave our team with even less toughness than it currently has. Who knows, maybe Jacques or McGratton can step up and be a more intimidating presence, meaning we don't have to play Parros as much. Although say what you want about Parros, he is one of the smarter and more disciplined enforcers in the league.
Although say what you want about Parros, he is one of the smarter and more disciplined enforcers in the league.
Exactly, where is all this hate for Parros coming from? You want him delivering dirty hits? The past couple years he's improved his overall game a little, maybe not that noticeable but he has improved. He doesn't take a lot of 2 minors compared to other enforcers, he does what he's asked to do and he does a good job of it.
On that note, it would still be nice if he delivered more big hits, not dirty hits, I don't want him designated as a dirty player.
Management loves him because he sells tickets and merchandise
i think parros had a great season last year as a enforcer he delerived 97 hits and had 27 majors leading the whole nhl i just think we need more aggressiveness through out the line up as a whole
i think parros had a great season last year as a enforcer he delerived 97 hits and had 27 majors leading the whole nhl i just think we need more aggressiveness through out the line up as a whole
I love Parros. I also thought he played well last year. It just doesn't seem like he fits in with what we're trying to do. I mean, if McGrattan or Jacques make the team and play with him on the fourth line, at least they've got an identity.
It was mind boggling last year when we had Sexton or Beleskey out there on the fourth line with Parros.
What I really want is a clear decision for what the fourth line is supposed to be.
i just want the fourth line to play like a fourth line and the same for the third line too i dont execpt a third line to score play like a first i just want two solid performing bottom forward lines
i just want the fourth line to play like a fourth line and the same for the third line too i dont execpt a third line to score play like a first i just want two solid performing bottom forward lines
The problem is, Parros is no Brad May. May actually was effective both as an enforcer and a gritty grinding veteran, good enough to play with Getz/Perry and not hold them back. Parros can't do that, and playing him a regular shift doesn't change that fact.
It also hurts that we've never really replaced guys like Moen and Kunitz, who could take a regular shift and still serve as middle or welterweight enforcers. Not to mention, our D is much different as well.
Still, teams change, styles change. If we're not going to be as nasty as we were before, we'd better be better in other ways. We shouldn't cling to the past way of doing things, if we don't have the personnel to do it effectively. It's more important to be good at something new, rather than be mediocre at what we used to be great at.
Parros did play LW with Getz and Perry their rookie year.
Was just spying in the Sharks forum, noticed some random person was speculating about them getting Clutterbuck.
That made me think... we need Clutterbuck. He's arguably the best third liner in the game. He'd **** some **** up with McMilli and Cogs. I don't care if we have to trade 1392 1st round draft picks, let's do it.
Was just spying in the Sharks forum, noticed some random person was speculating about them getting Clutterbuck.
That made me think... we need Clutterbuck. He's arguably the best third liner in the game. He'd **** some **** up with McMilli and Cogs. I don't care if we have to trade 1392 1st round draft picks, let's do it.
