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06-30-2011, 07:43 PM
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Wish list for tomorrow:

1 or 2 checking line centers:

Zenon Konopka
Eric Belanger
Marty Reasoner
Marcel Goc
Maxime Talbot

2 or 3 checking line wingers:

Scottie Upshall
Joel Ward
Raffi Torres
Mike Rupp
Ben Eager
Jeff Tambellini
Sean Bergenheim
Patrick Eaves
Matt Bradley
Anthony Stewart
Steve Bernier
Tyler Kennedy
Dan Carcillo
Pretty good list but half those guys won't sign tomorrow.

To add on I'd say we should find a suitable partner for Cam
Shane O'Brien
Brent Sopel
Anton Babchuk
etc

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Bob probably liked what he saw this morning.

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Opens a spot for DSP!
I think he needs one more year.

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Big day tomorrow Bobbo. We currently have 4 out of the 6 spots in the Bottom 6 open, and there are a lot of good bottom 6 guys out there. GET IT DONE!

Id like to see Upshall, Belanger and Talbot in Ducks uniforms next season, but we will see what Barstool has planned.

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I haven't been a hockey fan that long, so I'm still trying to familiarize myself with players and the cap system etc.
Ideally this is how I envision the Ducks line-up when the season starts. This is my first time trying capgeek and playing around with salaries, so feel free to criticize and provide feedback please.


FORWARDS
Bobby Ryan ($5.100m) / Ryan Getzlaf ($5.325m) / Corey Perry ($5.325m)
Jason Blake ($4.000m) / Saku Koivu ($2.500m) / Teemu Selanne ($4.500m)
Brandon McMillan ($0.875m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.800m) / Joel Ward ($2.000m)
Matt Beleskey ($0.737m) / Marty Reasoner ($1.200m) / George Parros ($0.875m)
/ Ryan Johnson ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN
Lubomir Visnovsky ($5.600m) / Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m)
Toni Lydman ($3.000m) / Luca Sbisa ($2.175m)
Andy Sutton ($2.125m) / Cam Fowler ($1.400m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonas Hiller ($4.500m) / Dan Ellis ($1.500m)

BUYOUTS: Nathan Oystrick ($0.183m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,020,833; BONUSES: $710,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,279,167

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06-30-2011, 08:18 PM
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Whatever Barstool does, we're going to be surprised.

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06-30-2011, 08:22 PM
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This is my first time trying capgeek and playing around with salaries, so feel free to criticize and provide feedback please.

FORWARDS
Bobby Ryan ($5.100m) / Ryan Getzlaf ($5.325m) / Corey Perry ($5.325m)
Jason Blake ($4.000m) / Saku Koivu ($2.500m) / Teemu Selanne ($4.500m)
Brandon McMillan ($0.875m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.800m) / Joel Ward ($2.000m)
Matt Beleskey ($0.737m) / Marty Reasoner ($1.200m) / George Parros ($0.875m)
/ Ryan Johnson ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN
Lubomir Visnovsky ($5.600m) / Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m)
Toni Lydman ($3.000m) / Luca Sbisa ($2.175m)
Andy Sutton ($2.125m) / Cam Fowler ($1.400m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonas Hiller ($4.500m) / Dan Ellis ($1.500m)
I think you did a good job. It's realistic and does a good job of fixing the 3rd and 4th lines, which Murray plans on doing in the next few days.

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06-30-2011, 08:26 PM
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Around $56 million budget, according to Stephens. Son of a *****. That leaves us room for... one signing? Two if we're lucky? Unless we dump Sutton...

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06-30-2011, 08:27 PM
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Per Eric Stephens Barstool plans to spend to around the midpoint of the salary cap or about 56 million. All the hopes of 60 mil or more are apparently dashed.

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Per Eric Stephens Barstool plans to spend to around the midpoint of the salary cap or about 56 million. All the hopes of 60 mil or more are apparently dashed.
Gotta think HS wants to keep it that way.

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That's out of his jurisdiction though... ultimately, the owner determines what we spend.

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Gotta think HS wants to keep it that way.
This is true but it still sucks because the team probably can only sign 1 player without dumping sutton. And dumping sutton will be hard.

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Murray may be shopping in the bargain bin then.

Who can help us in the 500K to 800K range?

Maybe Steve Bernier, Dan Carcillo? I just don't see how he can fix the 3rd and 4th lines without spending some money.

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As expected:

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Ducks general manager Bob Murray confirmed on Thursday that defenseman Andreas Lilja and checking forwards Jarkko Ruutu and Brad Winchester will not be re-signed by the club.
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06-30-2011, 08:34 PM
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Big difference between real dollars and cap space, though. If this is true, we have $6-7 million to spend cap-wise, but $9-10 salary wise. And depending on how things are structured with regards to free agents, we could add quite a bit. A $60 million cap number wouldn't surprise me one bit.

EDIT-And wow did Ericsson get paid, $3.25 a year. If he could find a bargain, great, but really don't want to add a defenseman, would rather just try and have Fowler learn the right side.

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Actual dollars paid for currently signed players is 46.527 per nhlhumbers. Salary cap for the same players is 48.85. Its a little wiggle room but not much so Peyton may prove to be right.

This is not taking into account Selanne's contract should he come back.

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Big difference between real dollars and cap space, though. If this is true, we have $6-7 million to spend cap-wise, but $9-10 salary wise. And depending on how things are structured with regards to free agents, we could add quite a bit. A $60 million cap number wouldn't surprise me one bit.

EDIT-And wow did Ericsson get paid, $3.25 a year. If he could find a bargain, great, but really don't want to add a defenseman, would rather just try and have Fowler learn the right side.
With Teemu coming back at $4m and DSP taking one of the bottom six spots (the others being MacMillan, Beleskey and Parros), I have us at a payroll of $54.5m, leaving $1.5m for the remaining two center spots and a 13th forward. (EDIT: Disregard that, I misread a part of my information. ) I don't even know how that's supposed to work without dumping Sutton. Even if we did and somehow could replace him with a minimum contract, that's not a lot to work with.

We should probably just really keep the hopes down for tomorrow.

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Actual dollars paid for currently signed players is 46.527 per nhlhumbers. Salary cap for the same players is 48.85. Its a little wiggle room but not much so Peyton may prove to be right.
Those $2.3m are huge for us. Not in that they would allow us to do huge things tomorrow necessarily (unless Teemu says let's win this year, give me league minimum and let's roll!), but it does at least give us a chance to fill the roster, without forcing us to the cheapest bargain bin for the 3rd line center spot, at least.


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06-30-2011, 08:55 PM
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I assume we'll want to go after one of the better third line centers and fill the rest of the bottom six with our young guys (DSP probably). Who knows, maybe Murray is going to dump Blake or something...

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Well this changes my thought pattern a bit. Hoping somebody gets dumped but that just seems too good to happen.

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I think this is ridiculous...56 million. The Samueli's better not be stingy with this club's money. We are trying to win a cup after all. Don't spend us into a Chicago Blackhawks situation, but be smart and spend what needs to be spent.

I'm seriously getting ticked off with this organization's proceedings. Other teams are always rumored to be in a sweepstakes for a specific player...I don't know. We've been smart for the most part, but we have several areas that need to be addressed. Not just one or two. We get a 60 million dollar cap, but the Samueli's keep us in the 06-07 spending range. Other fans get to rejoice in a raised cap.

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Actual dollars paid for currently signed players is 46.527 per nhlhumbers. Salary cap for the same players is 48.85. Its a little wiggle room but not much so Peyton may prove to be right.

This is not taking into account Selanne's contract should he come back.
Selanne's contract is very important, as it's likely to be incentive-laden. They might plan for him to hit those marks, but if they look purely at base salary, Selanne might be somewhere around $2-3 million. Also considering our targets are lower salary guys, it isn't unfathomable to believe we could add 3 or 4 guys with $7 million(give or take).

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Big difference between real dollars and cap space, though. If this is true, we have $6-7 million to spend cap-wise, but $9-10 salary wise. And depending on how things are structured with regards to free agents, we could add quite a bit. A $60 million cap number wouldn't surprise me one bit.

EDIT-And wow did Ericsson get paid, $3.25 a year. If he could find a bargain, great, but really don't want to add a defenseman, would rather just try and have Fowler learn the right side.
Dangerous game to play.

Sure add 1 million for guys like Blake, and 600k for Visnovsky. Guys where the contract only goes down from here.

But don't add 900k for Sbisa, where the salary will go up. Unless you plan on losing guys with increasing contracts later.

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I think this is ridiculous...56 million. The Samueli's better not be stingy with this club's money. We are trying to win a cup after all. Don't spend us into a Chicago Blackhawks situation, but be smart and spend what needs to be spent.

I'm seriously getting ticked off with this organization's proceedings. Other teams are always rumored to be in a sweepstakes for a specific player...I don't know. We've been smart for the most part, but we have several areas that need to be addressed. Not just one or two. We get a 60 million dollar cap, but the Samueli's keep us in the 06-07 spending range. Other fans get to rejoice in a raised cap.
I said it before, I'll say it again. We should be nowhere near the cap. Most teams aren't supposed to be near the cap.

I had typed out a large post but it got lost. So here's a brief summary with less data. The gist is I looked at Forbes. In 09-10 we were supposed to spend ~48 million based on our revenues. But we paid ~53 million. Meaning we were 5 million over budget. And Forbes confirms this, saying there was a 5.3 million shortfall. Could you imagine spending 5 million a year?

The cap is not designed for teams to spend to the cap max. Only a select few teams are supposed to. Most teams should be spending around the midpoint. In 09-10 we were like 19th in revenue. So we should even be BELOW the midpoint.

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Dangerous game to play.

Sure add 1 million for guys like Blake, and 600k for Visnovsky. Guys where the contract only goes down from here.

But don't add 900k for Sbisa, where the salary will go up. Unless you plan on losing guys with increasing contracts later.


I said it before, I'll say it again. We should be nowhere near the cap. Most teams aren't supposed to be near the cap.

I had typed out a large post but it got lost. So here's a brief summary with less data. The gist is I looked at Forbes. In 09-10 we were supposed to spend ~48 million based on our revenues. But we paid ~53 million. Meaning we were 5 million over budget. And Forbes confirms this, saying there was a 5.3 million shortfall. Could you imagine spending 5 million a year?

The cap is not designed for teams to spend to the cap max. Only a select few teams are supposed to. Most teams should be spending around the midpoint. In 09-10 we were like 19th in revenue. So we should even be BELOW the midpoint.
I never said hit the cap. 57-58.5 wouldn't hurt?

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I think this is ridiculous...56 million. The Samueli's better not be stingy with this club's money. We are trying to win a cup after all. Don't spend us into a Chicago Blackhawks situation, but be smart and spend what needs to be spent.

I'm seriously getting ticked off with this organization's proceedings. Other teams are always rumored to be in a sweepstakes for a specific player...I don't know. We've been smart for the most part, but we have several areas that need to be addressed. Not just one or two. We get a 60 million dollar cap, but the Samueli's keep us in the 06-07 spending range. Other fans get to rejoice in a raised cap.
We don't have the financial wherewithal to spend at or near the cap, nor to go into a bidding war for a big free agent. To me it looks like Murray realizes that the cap is going up by a significant amount each year, and that we can't spend to it, so he is trying to follow Nashville's example of icing a competitive team for less. The only problem is his lack of role players. With the top end talent this team has, a solid bottom six forward corps can turn this team into a contender. I'm guessing 53-55 mil. is this team's max.

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