One could be inclined to think that, when Murray did not take Puempel with his 21st pick, Burke deducted (wrongly) that the Senators were not so interested in him and that he could wait and take him later before them again. He then picked Biggs with his 22nd pick, confident that he could still get Puempel. Too bad...
Was our 21st pick splendid misdirection that netted us two better players than if we had chosen Puempel first?
I've got a feeling Burke got bluffed/played/manipulated by da boss Murray once again, just like for Cowen. Remind me not to play cards with Brian Murray.
Yeah I dunno but it was said a lot, and I read it in the Toronto Star Saturday morning that the Leafs were very interested in Puempel. Wouldn't be shocked if they liked Percy more anyways, but who knows.
One could be inclined to think that, when Murray did not take Puempel with his 21st pick, Burke deducted (wrongly) that the Senators were not so interested in him and that he could wait and take him later before them again. He then picked Biggs with his 22nd pick, confident that he could still get Puempel. Too bad...
I've got a feeling Burke got bluffed/played/manipulated by da boss Murray once again, just like for Cowen.
I've heard a few references to Burke & Murray and the Puempel pick, but I missed that part of the draft and have no idea what actually happened. Would you mind giving me the details?
Also, not sure Murray ever bluffed Burke the first time, its likely he really did want Kadri.
I've heard a few references to Burke & Murray and the Puempel pick, but I missed that part of the draft and have no idea what actually happened. Would you mind giving me the details?
Also, not sure Murray ever bluffed Burke the first time, its likely he really did want Kadri.
I got that impression too, that and they didn't think Cowen would fall to them.
I dont think Puempel was on the Leafs radar at that position. Burke wanted to take Percy first then Biggs, but the scouts convinced him Biggs would be gone if they didnt trade up so he did. That would put the scotus order at at least Biggs, Percy, then Puempel (Burkes being Percy then Biggs). Both Burke and the Leafs head scout were on the radio today and more or less said the same thing.
So, instead of picking up Puempel at 21 and then reaching for Noesen at 24, Murray reached for Noesen at 21 so he could... mess with Burke's head and pick up Puempel at 24?
Of the two players, Noesen was the one that was far more likely to still be there at 24. Noesen was ranked in the 30's and would have likely been around at 24, while Puempel could have gone to the Leafs. To me, that suggests that Murray didn't know he'd be getting another pick and just chose to take who he considered the better of the two players at the time.
Edit: seems that you've come to recognize this by yourself. I had started typing this up before your lastest post.
Yeah, I don't think Murray intentionally conned Burke out of Cowen the first time, he seemed genuinely interest in Kadri, but the Leafs took him. I'm pretty happy with Cowen, though.
In this draft, I doubt Murray would risk losing the player he wants just because Burke was being a dick at the '09 draft.
But, who knows how devious Bryan "Troll-face" Murray is...
Biggs and Percy are the perfect Burke players. Im not shocked at all he went with both and I believe those who say these 2 were top of Burke's list for where they were drafting. They both scream Burke picks.
One could be inclined to think that, when Murray did not take Puempel with his 21st pick, Burke deducted (wrongly) that the Senators were not so interested in him and that he could wait and take him later before them again. He then picked Biggs with his 22nd pick, confident that he could still get Puempel. Too bad...
Was our 21st pick splendid misdirection that netted us two better players than if we had chosen Puempel first?
I've got a feeling Burke got bluffed/played/manipulated by da boss Murray once again, just like for Cowen. Remind me not to play cards with Brian Murray.
But seriously...he wanted this Biggs kid. If he wanted Puempel, he could have taken him. We'll see how that decision turns out for both teams. As for Percy, Burke mentioned quite some time ago that he loved how the kid played in the playoffs. No surprise at all one of the 1sts was used on him.
Whatever he meant to do or didnt mean to do, it was fun to read the Leafs and Habs cries of outrage when we scooped a player the fans seemed to want anyway, just one pick before their turn in each case.
On draft day you have a list of players and with every pick the other 29 teams take, that list gets changed and shifted based on who is left on the table, especially after the top few guys go. You really think the GMs juggling all this, talking with their scouts and staff, and making on the fly decisions, give head space to how they can mess with other GMs? The entire day consists of other teams taking guys that are "next on your list".
The Kadri thing is a legend in the little minds of some Leaf fans. It goes down that way with or without Burke talking to Murray because Kadri was next on the Leaf list. To think that Burke would pick a lessor player just to mess with Murray at the expense of his team, is incredibly niave. Likewise with Puempel. Maybe he was next on Burke's list, maybe not, doesn't matter, Murray is focussing on what is best for the Sens.
