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06-29-2011, 04:57 PM
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that settles it then. He was on pace to, so that means he will. Darche was on pace for 36 points last season, I guess that's a lock too.
I am willing to have a username bet with you that Weber cracks more then 20 points next season if he plays above 60 games.

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good thing we lowballed Wiz to make room for the guy who has failed 3 years in a row to earn a roster spot.
This from a guy who thinks Gomez is a star

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This from a guy who thinks Gomez is a star
I never said Gomez is a star, just that he's more likely to improve from last season to repeat it.

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This from a guy who thinks Gomez is a star
Whom also believes Subban's progression will cap at his rookie season point total of 38 points.

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What are you talking about? Weber would be one of the best bottom-pairing defensemen in the LEAGUE. A third pairing of him and Spacek would be one of the top third pairings in the NHL.
Really? I can just imagine Spacek being too slow to get a puck in the corner, Weber going to get it and being outmuscled. I could see them spending a lot of time in the defensive zone.

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06-29-2011, 05:00 PM
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the only two guys who are soft are Weber and Spacek.

Markov is not soft at all if he's healthy
Subban gritty
Gorges not soft
Emelin not soft at all
Gill maybe he's soft but he's big and great in front of the net.


small yes but far from soft
I agree with this.

To say Gorges is soft is insane. The guy constantly sacrifices his body to make the best possible play. He's a warrior. He's the opposite of soft. Markov is alright. Subban is far from soft. We don't know if Emelin will make the team. Weber, until proven otherwise, might be a bit soft. I haven't noticed any "Tanguay-like" plays though. Spacek and Gill are experienced veterans who know how to avoid unnecessary contact but never at the cost of an opportunity for the other team.

I hope they give Emelin a chance over Spacek, if only because Spacek hasn't looked great (although not nearly as bad as some are making him out to be) and is not a key member of our defensive crew. It would be great to give a chance to a young guy who definitely fill a need on our team.

I'm happy they're giving a chance to Weber. It's about time. He's not replacing Wiz. Markov is. And if Markov gets injured again, then PG can look for a replacement. It's pointless to have Wiz on the team just in case Markov gets hurt. We're in a great situation right now cap-wise, and I think we have a solid defense. This leaves some money to spend on forwards (and a back-up goalie, woot).

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06-29-2011, 05:01 PM
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This is what pisses me off. Weber will not produce 50 points next season, he probably won't even produce 20 points next season.
Who pi$$ed on your cornflakes... $850K is one-third of the average player salary. There might be a lot of things to be unhappy about, but this should be way down the list

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06-29-2011, 05:02 PM
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Whom also believes Subban's progression will cap at his rookie season point total of 38 points.
I also never said that, just that he is not likely to substantially improve. Putting up 45 points is not a substantial improvement, and he's not going to become a standout shutdown guy overnight either. I said marginal improvement is what should be expected.

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06-29-2011, 05:03 PM
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Really? I can just imagine Spacek being too slow to get a puck in the corner, Weber going to get it and being outmuscled. I could see them spending a lot of time in the defensive zone.
They we're a servicable pairing when used last season, actually.

I do agree Spacek is not overly effective, idealy for me he's moved and we acquire a guy like Hejda to play 2nd pair with Gorges and bump Gill down to third pair with Weber.

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Really? I can just imagine Spacek being too slow to get a puck in the corner, Weber going to get it and being outmuscled. I could see them spending a lot of time in the defensive zone.
They played together some last year and were solid as third pairings go.

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Who pi$$ed on your cornflakes... $850K is one-third of the average player salary. There might be a lot of things to be unhappy about, but this should be way down the list
it should be, but the poster I responded to said he would easily replace Wisniewski's production.

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Talk about pumping up someone for doing nothing. Its not like Weber was ever going to ask for the bank. Its in Weber's best interest to have a low cap hit so he can actually play 82 games and develop instead of overpricing himself off the team.
You and everyone else knows that those posters are not JUST referring to the Weber signing. They are referring to the signings and moves PG has made so far this off-season, which have been quite impressive.

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Really? I can just imagine Spacek being too slow to get a puck in the corner, Weber going to get it and being outmuscled. I could see them spending a lot of time in the defensive zone.
An experienced veteran playing on his natural side and a young potentially high-end defenseman would definitely be a top-end third pairing of the league. Compare it to the other third pairings of the league, I'm sure it would be one of the better ones. Spacek is very solid when he plays on his natural side, and we all know Weber has the potential to be a great defenseman.


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06-29-2011, 05:30 PM
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They played together some last year and were solid as third pairings go.
In small doses, yes. An entire season? Who knows.

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You and everyone else knows that those posters are not JUST referring to the Weber signing. They are referring to the signings and moves PG has made so far this off-season, which have been quite impressive.
I wouldn't call them impressive. I'd call them pretty standard.

There was nothing impressive about signing AK for the same money. We basically lose him to FA next year or give him a raise next year instead of locking him up for 2-3 years.

AK can have the exact same season results and with inflation, earn $4.5m next year easily as he has similar numbers as Laich.

Same thing with Gill, its not exactly impressive to get a 38 yr old dman to sign for the same money. Its standard imo.

I'm not saying he's done anything bad, my point is, he's hardly done anything impressive by signing the standard contracts to the standard players. Same thing with DD, he needed a low cap hit to prove he could stay in the league. If he asked for more than a million, and we are in cap trouble and he struggled next year, it would be easier to send him down and bring up Palushji. But by taking low cap hits, fringe players make it more likely to stay in the show.

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In small doses, yes. An entire season? Who knows.
Of course who knows, but that isn't reason to doubt it when you have evidence it works. Both are pretty good players compared with the stiffs that populate most 3rd pairings.

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Weber will get more than 30 pts next year

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Good stuff/. Weber is finally going to get a real chance.. I predict 35 pts.

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Why do people keep benching Emelin. He's going to start over spacek. If not he's going back to the KHL

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it should be, but the poster I responded to said he would easily replace Wisniewski's production.
Why be unhappy about a fair contract? Weber shouldn't be expected to replace Wisniewski's production on his own. For one thing, Wiz might not even repeat that performance if he stayed with the Habs because Markov would be eating up a lot of that ice time.

We have to look at the big picture here. Signing Weber over Wiz allows us cap space to upgrade in other areas and/or re-sign Subban and Price next year.

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great signing! look forward to seeing him play next season! i hope he plays more than spacek!

I am fine with these pairings, they can push for a deadline acquisition if they need later.

Markov -Emelin
Gill-Subban
Gorges Weber

Spacek

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Why do people keep benching Emelin. He's going to start over spacek. If not he's going back to the KHL
No. If he's sent down he goes back to the KHL. He can be the 7th d-man all year.


Not that I think this will happen, just clarifying.

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Weber signed, Wiz's rights traded, this GM just makes smart moves. If he manages to sign Jagr to a 1yr deal i'll be happy as pig in you know what!

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I really like this contract, if he can be given a chance, I think next yaer he can be a solid #4-5 and make his cap hit a huge bargain with 30-35 points.

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Here is my Weber prediction for next season: 6G-24A-31PTS.


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6G and 24A is 30pts...not to nit pik...

I think it's a great signing for 850K per...glad to see Hammer walk also, time to get younger on the back...
haha my bad, I meant 25A. New cpu, keyboard is funky.

edit: or maybe he gets 1 point for style?

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