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06-30-2011, 08:00 AM
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It's the same **** that went on with Staal and Dubinsky, and for that matter Derek Jeter. It's a negotiation.
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Cally also loves NY and would have to sign an offer sheet.

Unless it's some completely insane amount then I think Sather matches it and deals with the consequences afterwards.

With that said I don't ever think Cally would sign off on an offer sheet and this is just a negotiation ploy imo.
This and this.

End of discussion. Every team in the league would love to have Callahan on their team. He stays a Ranger.

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06-30-2011, 08:17 AM
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Allow me to daydream for about five seconds about the possibility of getting him in union blue.

...mmmmmm...

...and now back to reality. He'll never leave New York. Sigh.
This pretty much sums up the attitude of every team not named The Rangers. Everybody wants him but if Sather has a brain betwen his ears he'll be a Ranger for life.

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06-30-2011, 08:20 AM
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Good BC boy. Burrows-Kesler-Calahan

Edit: Wtf, totally thought he was atleast canadian? aha nvm.
Awesome BC line there with a French Canadian and two Americans. Should thrill the hometown fans to see their boys in action together.

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Maybe it's my homerism fanboy love for the Rangers and Callahan, but I can't picture him not wanting to play for the Rangers. The deal probably has nothing to do with money but more of length of term.

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06-30-2011, 08:35 AM
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He is the definition of what it is to be a Ranger. He's going to be our captain. Unless a team offers him an absurd amount of money he isn't going anywhere.
So he's used to losing?

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06-30-2011, 08:48 AM
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Maybe it's my homerism fanboy love for the Rangers and Callahan, but I can't picture him not wanting to play for the Rangers. The deal probably has nothing to do with money but more of length of term.
It's the homerism. He would gladly play in most nhl markets if it means a better contract. And if the rangers are still thinking about making a play for richards you better hope he doesn't get any high priced offer sheets

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It's the homerism. He would gladly play in most nhl markets if it means a better contract. And if the rangers are still thinking about making a play for richards you better hope he doesn't get any high priced offer sheets
They have plenty of room to give him a good contract and still sign Richards. This isn't an issue in the slightest

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06-30-2011, 09:15 AM
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If Joe Sakic can sign an offer sheet, anyone can. If Callahan feels Rangers will most likely match a very good offer from someone else it is a great way for him to shorten negotiations and make more money in the end.

If Callahan were to get a good offer sheet and sign it, it doesn't reflect poorly upon him. It's just business. In the same way Sather will try everything he can to keep the salary down. It's just business.

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So he's used to losing?
I guess, though not quite like fans of Canadian teams.

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I guess, though not quite like fans of Canadian teams.
Yeah. Damn. Us poor Canadians. We can barely get any sleep on these 45+ Stanley Cups.

I'm not even a fan of a Canadian team, I just thought your comment was stupid.

Here's a question, is the massive ego of most Ranger fans a symptom of being a Ranger fan or were they just born with it?

"He won't sign an offer sheet"

Everybody wants to play here"

"He would never leave"

Blah, blah, blah...

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06-30-2011, 10:20 AM
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If I offered you guys a deal to bring Callahan to the Devils, wouldn't you get offended and very defensive?

See Parise thread.

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06-30-2011, 10:27 AM
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Yeah. Damn. Us poor Canadians. We can barely get any sleep on these 45+ Stanley Cups.

I'm not even a fan of a Canadian team, I just thought your comment was stupid.

Here's a question, is the massive ego of most Ranger fans a symptom of being a Ranger fan or were they just born with it?

"He won't sign an offer sheet"

Everybody wants to play here"

"He would never leave"

Blah, blah, blah...


That was my first comment in the post, so it wasn't my comment you thought was stupid. I just find it funny that a Canadian from Ottawa would point out the Rangers propensity for losing when they have won a cup more recently than any Canadian franchise.

As for the Rangers, there are a lot of reasons why players want to play there.

1. Reputation for treating its players top notch. Not just an ego statement, ex-Rangers always talk about how the Rangers are the best at taking care of their players.

2. Rangers, being in the hub of the northeast, have one of the easiest travel schedules year in and year out.

3. Top notch private training facilities.

4. All NY has to offer, plus the unique ability to play in a big city with a good fanbase without being under the media scrutiny that usually goes along with that.

I'm not saying every player wants to stay there and play there, but there are a lot of intangibles that appeal to a lot of players.


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06-30-2011, 10:37 AM
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He'll be a Leaf by the end of summer. He'd look good on first line center Bozak's wing.

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06-30-2011, 10:47 AM
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What about Dubinsky? Teams might get a bit farther sheeting Dubi instead of Cally.

And I wouldnt mind someone blowing Dubi out of the water in terms of contract length and price so the rangers could get 2 firsts or more.

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The idea that other GM's are worried on any level of poaching a Rangers player because of some imagined fear that Sather will reciprocate in kind is absurd.

If I were a GM, and Cally fit the need for my team, Sather, his reputation and his financial backing would get a big FU from me and I would sign the player to an offer-sheet.

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What about Dubinsky? Teams might get a bit farther sheeting Dubi instead of Cally.

And I wouldnt mind someone blowing Dubi out of the water in terms of contract length and price so the rangers could get 2 firsts or more.
Why? Dubinsky's not going anywhere either. No one offer sheeted him in his last contract

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That was my first comment in the post, so it wasn't my comment you thought was stupid. I just find it funny that a Canadian from Ottawa would point out the Rangers propensity for losing when they have won a cup more recently than any Canadian franchise.

As for the Rangers, there are a lot of reasons why players want to play there.

1. Reputation for treating its players top notch. Not just an ego statement, ex-Rangers always talk about how the Rangers are the best at taking care of their players.

2. Rangers, being in the hub of the northeast, have one of the easiest travel schedules year in and year out.

3. Top notch private training facilities.

4. All NY has to offer, plus the unique ability to play in a big city with a good fanbase without being under the media scrutiny that usually goes along with that.

I'm not saying every player wants to stay there and play there, but there are a lot of intangibles that appeal to a lot of players.
Redden - AHL
Kasparaitis - AHL
Gomez - Traded
Gaborik - Benched
Drury - Bought Out

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And that would be your LAST GM job.

Owners, GM's, Presidents dont like it when others try and poach players.. and to poach while giving the old 'FU wont go far in the way of your career.

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Redden - AHL
Kasparaitis - AHL
Gomez - Traded
Gaborik - Benched
Drury - Bought Out

And other than Redden, all of those players will still talk about how day in and day out their treatment from the Rangers was the best.

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Callahan isn't going anywhere. The reason I'm so sure is because he has it all on the Rangers. Guy is absolutely loved and will be the captain of this franchise for years.

Not to mention, the rangers will match pretty much anything. Would your team be willing to give up 2 or 3 firsts for ryan callahan?

That's certainly what it will take minimally if you offer sheet him.

And honestly, as hard as it may be for me, a team signing Cally to that kind of money, clearly won't be a contender next year and i'd certainly thing about taking a couple potential lottery picks for him.

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Callahan isn't going anywhere. The reason I'm so sure is because he has it all on the Rangers. Guy is absolutely loved and will be the captain of this franchise for years.

Not to mention, the rangers will match pretty much anything. Would your team be willing to give up 2 or 3 firsts for ryan callahan?

That's certainly what it will take minimally if you offer sheet him.

And honestly, as hard as it may be for me, a team signing Cally to that kind of money, clearly won't be a contender next year and i'd certainly thing about taking a couple potential lottery picks for him.
This. Callahan is the future of this franchise and the Rangers will match any offer sheet. And even though i like him alot and he's an important player, is he worth 3 firsts?

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Callahan isn't going anywhere. The reason I'm so sure is because he has it all on the Rangers. Guy is absolutely loved and will be the captain of this franchise for years.

Not to mention, the rangers will match pretty much anything. Would your team be willing to give up 2 or 3 firsts for ryan callahan?

That's certainly what it will take minimally if you offer sheet him.

And honestly, as hard as it may be for me, a team signing Cally to that kind of money, clearly won't be a contender next year and i'd certainly thing about taking a couple potential lottery picks for him.
2 firsts wouldn't be bad.

He'll be a Ranger for sure, he's exactly what the Rangers need, and especially with the vacant captain spot, there's probably 0 chance he is moved anywhere.

You never know though, a team like Florida could offer something like 5 million, still has to sign though.

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I love the guy..but if I'm the GM of an NHL team not named the Rangers I do not give up three firsts for him.

Of course maybe I undervalue players.

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Redden - AHL - Deserved it
Kasparaitis - AHL - Deserved it
Gomez - Traded - Helped get a coach fired, lucky to go to Montreal
Gaborik - Benched - was floating. Needed a kick in the rear end
Drury - Bought Out - can't play anymore
There's a difference between doing the right thing for the team and mistreating a player.

Neither Redden or Kaspar are/were competent NHL defenders. Being stupid would have been to keep both players with the parent club. Giving the team the best chance to win games moves had to be made with both players. Since neither was bought out, and both were paid very well, I would say that the Rangers have treated both players very well.

Gomez was part of a problem here in NY that helped get Tom Renney fired. He was moved in what had been a solid hockey trade in that he posted a solid 58 point season in Montreal and the Rangers got a solid defence prospect in McDonagh.

Gaborik, as much as any player in the NHL at any point in time in their careers got benched. If that is mis-treatment, then EVERY PLAYER IN THE NHL HAS BEEN MISTREATED.

Drury - Knee is shot, mis-treated to the tune of 33.3 Million over 4 seasons, 3.5 of actual playing time, 2.5 years of actual effectiveness.

Please mistreat me in the same fashion....pretty please...

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There's a difference between doing the right thing for the team and mistreating a player.

Neither Redden or Kaspar are/were competent NHL defenders. Being stupid would have been to keep both players with the parent club. Giving the team the best chance to win games moves had to be made with both players. Since neither was bought out, and both were paid very well, I would say that the Rangers have treated both players very well.

Gomez was part of a problem here in NY that helped get Tom Renney fired. He was moved in what had been a solid hockey trade in that he posted a solid 58 point season in Montreal and the Rangers got a solid defence prospect in McDonagh.

Gaborik, as much as any player in the NHL at any point in time in their careers got benched. If that is mis-treatment, then EVERY PLAYER IN THE NHL HAS BEEN MISTREATED.

Drury - Knee is shot, mis-treated to the tune of 33.3 Million over 4 seasons, 3.5 of actual playing time, 2.5 years of actual effectiveness.

Please mistreat me in the same fashion....pretty please...
No there's not. In fact, sometimes doing the right thing and mistreating a player are one in the same. Look, the fact is, with almost every star player who has signed a long-term lucrative deal in New York, there has been ensuing drama.

Glen Sather has been doing the same **** for 11 years and has yet to ice anything remotely close to a winner. He doesn't care about his players or his fans at all. He's got to be the worst hockey mind still employed at the GM level.

That's no offense to you, I know what it means to be die hard. I'm a Leafs fan. No matter who's steering the ship, you never jump off. I get that. But New York has the worst track recorded of properly handling players under contract that I can think of.

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