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06-30-2011, 11:38 AM
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I believe they have, but even if they don't i would be reluctant to give 4 1st rounders for Doughty, only d-man i would give up 4 1st rounders without thinking twice is Weber, but he isn't avaliable for offer sheets.
Really? Doughty is going to be something special. Weber might be thought to be better now, but by the time they retire choosing Weber over Doughty will look silly I think.

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Really? Doughty is going to be something special. Weber might be thought to be better now, but by the time they retire choosing Weber over Doughty will look silly I think.
I would be thrilled with either one of the two on the team.

That being said, I am not a fan of offer sheets.

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06-30-2011, 12:20 PM
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I would never offer sheet, its like counting cards-just dirty

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06-30-2011, 12:27 PM
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I'd rather us offer the Kings Colorado's next four first round picks straight up than offer sheeting. There's something inherently dirty about the process.

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06-30-2011, 02:21 PM
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Idea - 7 years $52 million offer sheet for Doughty. 2 1st round picks, 2nd and 3rd round picks.

The Kings would never take that package for Doughty but $7.4 might be too much for the Kings to pay. Not sure if I want to Avs to send an offer sheet

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06-30-2011, 02:41 PM
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Idea - 7 years $52 million offer sheet for Doughty. 2 1st round picks, 2nd and 3rd round picks.

The Kings would never take that package for Doughty but $7.4 might be too much for the Kings to pay. Not sure if I want to Avs to send an offer sheet
You don't let players who are a Norris candidate their rookie year walk. Period. It's a waste of time to even try.

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06-30-2011, 03:12 PM
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You don't let players who are a Norris candidate their rookie year walk. Period. It's a waste of time to even try.
I agree. I think the Kings would rather waive Richards than let Doughty go due to cap constraints.

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What about Bogosian? We sign him at 3 million its only a 2nd rounder. I wouldn't expect it to not be matched by the Jets, but theres no harm in trying

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06-30-2011, 03:19 PM
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This offer sheet talk is silly anyways. It's happened, what, 5 or 6 times since the lock out? That's less than 1% of all RFAs over that time period. I wish that the league would just get rid of this. It's rarely used and all it does is **** with the cap and encourages "revenge" signings with also ****s with the cap.

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06-30-2011, 03:35 PM
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This offer sheet talk is silly anyways. It's happened, what, 5 or 6 times since the lock out? That's less than 1% of all RFAs over that time period. I wish that the league would just get rid of this. It's rarely used and all it does is **** with the cap and encourages "revenge" signings with also ****s with the cap.
You're silly. A silly goose.

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You're silly. A silly goose.
Possibly. Care to explain?

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I would for Doughty

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06-30-2011, 04:34 PM
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The pearl clutching is also hysterical because the reactions came mainly from Brian Burke and the Canucks fanbase, the two biggest whiners in the sport.

I remember telling someone predicting the imminent demise of the NHL because of the Penner sheet to come talk to me when their team needed to come up with a $15 million dollar signing bonus.

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06-30-2011, 04:57 PM
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Possibly. Care to explain?
That's all I've got.

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06-30-2011, 05:04 PM
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Possibly. Care to explain?
Offer sheets exist to help keep the RFA-owning team honest. If there was no sense of the market for those agents then we could really shaft them. For example, when Duchene's up for RFA if there were no offer sheets then we could tell him sign for 1M or you can sit out the year. Lucky for him, he can just wait for the market to decide his price, but the rights-owning team gets the player still. RFA and offer sheets are a check and balance system to make sure teams get to keep talent, but have to pay them fairly.

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06-30-2011, 05:34 PM
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Offer sheets exist to help keep the RFA-owning team honest. If there was no sense of the market for those agents then we could really shaft them. For example, when Duchene's up for RFA if there were no offer sheets then we could tell him sign for 1M or you can sit out the year. Lucky for him, he can just wait for the market to decide his price, but the rights-owning team gets the player still. RFA and offer sheets are a check and balance system to make sure teams get to keep talent, but have to pay them fairly.
Isn't arbitration a better and more often utilized check and balance for this though? Player feels he's not getting an offer from the team that holds his rights so he takes the team to arbitration. The arbitrator then decides on a fair salary for either 1 or 2 years after which a player is a UFA. If a player has a 3 year ELC and then goes to arbitration, thats already 5 years and at minimum 23 years of age that a player becomes a UFA. Not saying it's perfect. Not saying there's no other better ways. Just saying I feel that offer sheets are useless in the NHL.

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06-30-2011, 05:56 PM
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Isn't arbitration a better and more often utilized check and balance for this though? Player feels he's not getting an offer from the team that holds his rights so he takes the team to arbitration. The arbitrator then decides on a fair salary for either 1 or 2 years after which a player is a UFA. If a player has a 3 year ELC and then goes to arbitration, thats already 5 years and at minimum 23 years of age that a player becomes a UFA. Not saying it's perfect. Not saying there's no other better ways. Just saying I feel that offer sheets are useless in the NHL.
You might see arbitration more often, but offer sheets are always there serving as an incentive for clubs to not lowball their players. Arbitration is definitely a difficult art. For most players in their early years it's tough to find a comparable player because it's hard to tell what kind of player they will be. A guy with high potential might have scored few points in his first two years, and through arbitration he would likely get much less than another team might offer. Conversely if an arbiter were to award based on potential, teams would likely be upset with the outcome.

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06-30-2011, 07:09 PM
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NO WAY. We're still in a rebuild state, we need all of the picks we can possibly get. Giving them away is what put us at the bottom to begin with.

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06-30-2011, 07:45 PM
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He is staying in TB. I sure of it. If the avs can try to get him so try.


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06-30-2011, 09:28 PM
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I don't like the idea of offer sheets, either. They're predatory and exude an aura of negotiating in bad faith.

Remember when Neil Smith gave Sakic that offer sheet in 1997? Fans were furious and even though he didn't say so publicly, Pierre Lacroix was enraged at Sather for trying to sign his franchise captain away (as evidenced by the infamous "one-fingered salute" fax to Smith's office after the Avs matched the offer). People remember that stuff; they remember how the felt when another franchise plays the role of dastardly interloper to lure their stars away with a fat, shiny, bloated contract.

I wouldn't want this franchise to start engaging in that kind of predatory behavior. With that said, I say no to the offer sheets for Doughty and Stamkos. Leave those antics to the Neil Smiths and the Brian Burkes of the hockey world.


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06-30-2011, 10:00 PM
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It was Neil Smith not Sather.

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The smart guy to offer sheet would be Keith Yandle. You think Phoenix could match if someone threw 6.5 million a season at him?

Yeah, they could match, and then subsequently sign Ty Conklin for the league minimum to be their starting goalie.

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I'm sorry I just don't see what is so bad about offer sheeting people. It part of the game, it not our fault that another team can't get their player signed before free agency.

So what if it pisses off another GM or the fans of another franchise. If teams really thought their guy was all that then they would have already shelled out the money to get him signed before free agency. They would have made the trades and cuts necessary to get the player signed.

I'm sure Stamkos and Doughty want contract on par with their performance. They shouldn't have to take a home town discount. The thing people overlook is the player signs the offer sheet, they could just as easily say no I'm not signing it.

If I was the Avs and free agency hit I would be throwing an offer at Doughty. Reason being is 1. he is a stud 2. we have plenty of money to offer 3. even while the other team is trying to match it we can still make moves in UFA because we have so much free space, so even if the other team matches down the line you can still go ahead with your other offseason plans and get everyone else you wanted.

Dirty pool or not its part of the game, so I say go for it. The worst thing that happens is you make another teams GM/fanbase pissed at you, oh darn.

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Offer sheets shouldn't be used to sign top young talent (Stamkos, Doughty, etc) because the team can just match. It's better to use them on 2nd tier talent who you feel are about to break out. A good example is when the Canucks signed Backes to an offer sheet.

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I think itd be a bad idea, but it sure would be exciting, wouldn't it? And a huge PR move too.

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