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We're getting a lopsided view of this situation. It sounds like something didn't heal properly, and I'm not sure how much of that is tambellini's responsibility. With it being the off-season, I COULD see the GM and training staff not having week-to-week or day-to-day updates on Fraser's status because he's been injured for a while now, and with him being at home (wherever he trains) it might be low on the priority list when they may not have thought there was a problem at all.
Sure, it's all speculation and it doesn't all fall on Tambellini but i would think that GMs would be weary about trading with Tambellini considering that these injury reports are coming out after the fact.
Seriously, our medical staff should all be fired for this fiasco, very bush league if they indeed cleared Fraser as healthy when he was really injured. This is just what we need, more bad press. When is the drama going to end?

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I just saw that tweet before my last post...what the hell is going on with the medical report stuff? If it's a training staff issue then I'd hope someone is fired over this. Him being cleared by Oilers' medical staff and then not by Kings' staff indicates there's a problem.
This is indeed worrying. If he was injured during the year snd our staff didn't notice then we need to fire the lot of them

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I was just looking at Helene Elliot's tweets, and where she mentioned the unhealed fracture/cyst, it doesn't say whether it's from the previous injury or a new injury. I think that bit of information is pretty important if one wishes to determine how or why something like that got missed.

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I think there needs to be some elaboration on what exactly is or isn't injured and how it got missed by the oilers' staff, or if it is indeed something that happened AFTER the last medical clearance.
Apparently there is a cyst - I'm no medical expert, but don't these things take a while to develop? i.e. it might not have been there when the Oilers examined him?

I agree though - if the medical professionals are actually missing a fracture then this is embarassing for this organization and someone needs to be fired.

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There is no rule against trading an injured player. The responiblity of making sure that a player acquired in a trade is healthy rests on the team that is trading for said injured player.

If the Kings organization and fans are mad at anyone it should be at Lombardi.

I wonder if the severity of Frasers injury has changed since the deal. aka.everything looked like it was healing good during his last checkup, and now that the kings did the physical on him AFTER COMPLETING THE DEAL it turns out he is not healing as well.

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Didn't we find out after the fact that Souray had pre-existing issues when we got him?

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This reflects badly on the Oilers medical staff not their management. If the doctors said Fraser was healthy, what else is the management supposed to believe?

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Uhhh...wow....only the Oilers could be involved with something like this.

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According to various tweets, the Oilers and Kings will work this out and Tambellini's credibility is at stake. So perhaps it isn't as simple as "buyer beware"

No comment from the Oilers.

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Sure, it's all speculation and it doesn't all fall on Tambellini but i would think that GMs would be weary about trading with Tambellini considering that these injury reports are coming out after the fact.
Seriously, our medical staff should all be fired for this fiasco, very bush league if they indeed cleared Fraser as healthy when he was really injured. This is just what we need, more bad press. When is the drama going to end?
so much speculation and so many "ifs"
I'm not too concerned. we'll see how the truth plays out. but I guess the media needs something to do until tomorrow.

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This is indeed worrying. If he was injured during the year snd our staff didn't notice then we need to fire the lot of them
IF this is something the medical staff bungled, it's making their employer (tambellini) look bad for trusting in their knowledge and dilligence. Tambellini isn't an omnipotent being, so I don't think he could have predicted this sort of farce, but at the same time, IF the blame is on the Oilers' medical staff, they must be held accountable for it.

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We didnt have any players that werent injured, so you get what you get.

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All these years of setting injury records is starting to make more sense if there are quacks on the medical staff.

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I'm betting that he re-injured it, post-assessment by Oilers staff.

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? How did our medical staff miss that?

Unless Fraser got hurt in the last few months after the season??
missing a very small fracture on an xray is fairly common. A cyst could have developed in the time between his last exam and the trade.

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How long do the Kings have to nix the deal? They aren't going to do it right now obviously, but if they fail on the free agent market I could see them trying it.

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This reflects badly on the Oilers medical staff not their management. If the doctors said Fraser was healthy, what else is the management supposed to believe?
I agree with this, but I think a lot of blame will be heaped on Tambellini regardless, since he is the GM. However, it angers me that this was released to the public instead of dealt with privately. It seems like the only purpose of releasing this now is to embarass somebody, not actually facilitate a fix for this trade.

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According to various tweets, the Oilers and Kings will work this out and Tambellini's credibility is at stake. So perhaps it isn't as simple as "buyer beware"

No comment from the Oilers.
If he lets this deal bottom out over a medial error then yeah it's going to make him take a huge credibility hit. I'm not sure that's FAIR, but it's the reality. He's going to take the brunt of the blame for a mistake that's out of his control, if it was indeed the fault of the Oilers' medical staff.

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I'm betting that he re-injured it, post-assessment by Oilers staff.
that could very well be true, especially if they let it heal without doing surgery the first time.

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I just saw that tweet before my last post...what the hell is going on with the medical report stuff? If it's a training staff issue then I'd hope someone is fired over this. Him being cleared by Oilers' medical staff and then not by Kings' staff indicates there's a problem.
Something smells that's for sure. Is it possible that the injury happened after the season?

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How long do the Kings have to nix the deal? They aren't going to do it right now obviously, but if they fail on the free agent market I could see them trying it.
It was their duty to make sure he was healthy and they could have given him a physical before the deal was completed.

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Well no doubt about that, so you're saying that you've never heard that term used in auctions, etc.?

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Something smells that's for sure. Is it possible that the injury happened after the season?
That's the way I'm leaning, but it's all speculative. Like I said, we're only getting one side, and a very fact-starved side of the equation. The unwillingness of the oilers to comment publically on this might backfire severely unless they're either vindicated by the truth of the matter or they're able to act swiftly to correct this error to avoid future embarrassment.

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I agree with this, but I think a lot of blame will be heaped on Tambellini regardless, since he is the GM. However, it angers me that this was released to the public instead of dealt with privately. It seems like the only purpose of releasing this now is to embarass somebody, not actually facilitate a fix for this trade.
Dont worry Kings fans will probably insist that there is no way to prove that Lombardi was the one who ran to the media crying with this information.

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