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07-29-2011, 09:59 PM
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Leafs sign their 6th round pick from this past draft, David Broll.

He's 6'2 216lbs, but leaf fans think they could have signed him already because he needs money. Either way, it's interesting.

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NJ signs Zach Parise, but to only to a one year/$6 mil. contract.
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Shea Weber asked for $8.5 and Preds submitted $4.75 million. Arbitrator has 48 hrs to decide on 1 year term.
That's harsh from the Preds... if they're lowballing him that bad, maybe he's on the way out.

Friedman speculates on Twitter that it was strategy on the Preds part... but I have a hard time believing the arbitrator would be influenced by that at ALL.

What could we package for him? Pacioretty, AKost (maybe they would take the gamble he'd find a spark playing with Sergei away from the spotlight), Gorges and 2 firsts?


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08-02-2011, 06:19 PM
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That's harsh from the Preds... if they're lowballing him that bad, maybe he's on the way out.

What could we package for him? Pacioretty, AKost (maybe they would take the gamble he'd find a spark playing with Sergei away from the spotlight), Gorges and 2 firsts?
I wouldn't give them that package if hell froze over... losing Patches and AK makes our offense even more anemic then last season's team.

I realise how good Weber is, but I think it would throw off the balance of the team. They probably want Subban in a trade, as well.

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08-02-2011, 06:23 PM
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I wouldn't give them that package if hell froze over... losing Patches and AK makes our offense even more anemic then last season's team.
Cole will replace Pacioretty (upside included) for most of his contract. We'd have 2 balanced offensive lines sparked by Markov's return.

I'm pretty confident we'd be better offensively than last year.

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I wouldn't give them that package if hell froze over... losing Patches and AK makes our offense even more anemic then last season's team.

I realise how good Weber is, but I think it would throw off the balance of the team. They probably want Subban in a trade, as well.
Agreed, and agreed but what if?


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08-02-2011, 06:28 PM
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Agreed, and agreed but what if?
If anything it gives us an elite Top 3 defense corps (absolutely untouched league wide) but the other 3 would be significant drop-offs after that in Gill, Spacek, Weber/Emelin (although who knows where they might end up with progression and etc).

If they wanted Subban in a trade I'd hang up the phone right then and there. I think he can match Weber down the road, and he'll remain dirt-cheap in comparison over the next 3-4 years.

Now if we could somehow throw Markov the other way and take Patches out of the trade... I'd work something around that.

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Shea Weber & Andrei Markov , that is all.

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Shea Weber & Andrei Markov , that is all.
You would want Subban, Markov and Weber. Dirty.

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You would want Subban, Markov and Weber. Dirty.
That's what Stanley Cups are made of.

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If anything it gives us an elite Top 3 defense corps (absolutely untouched league wide) but the other 3 would be significant drop-offs after that in Gill, Spacek, Weber/Emelin (although who knows where they might end up with progression and etc).

If they wanted Subban in a trade I'd hang up the phone right then and there. I think he can match Weber down the road, and he'll remain dirt-cheap in comparison over the next 3-4 years.

Now if we could somehow throw Markov the other way and take Patches out of the trade... I'd work something around that.
I could see them biting. Long term, it would make more sense than my proposal, but would make us less of a contending team in the immediate future.

We'd be a legitimate threat for 3 years and I bet playing in front of such a defense would light a fire under Gomez' ass. Him and Gionta would smell a Cup.

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You would want Subban, Markov and Weber. Dirty.
That is the kind of scenario that only happens at all star games when it does not count. But man that post had me dreaming for a good minute.

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That is the kind of scenario that only happens at all star games when it does not count. But man that post had me dreaming for a good minute.
I've been thinking about that since last week.

One thing though, the Preds don't want big salaries, Weber on a one-year deal isn't worth as much, and even worst if they try to trade him in the 48 hours they'll have to make their decision.

I'm thinking the first thing the Preds would look at with the Habs is a young D, and not Subban, they'd never get Subban with Weber on a one-year deal, and they would have to start all over again in not too long if Subban rises even more.

IMO, they'd probably be looking for youngsters, one two-way/offensive D, and one shutdown defensive D. They'd probably look at Gorges, Emelin, Weber, Tinordi and Beaulieu, and pick two among them, fill in the rest with AK and a 1st pick. The Preds won't be in a good situation to deal Weber, even if it is Weber....

Not sure there are many teams that can offer the young Ds the Habs can offer.

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I could see them biting. Long term, it would make more sense than my proposal, but would make us less of a contending team in the immediate future.

We'd be a legitimate threat for 3 years and I bet playing in front of such a defense would light a fire under Gomez' ass. Him and Gionta would smell a Cup.

Markov has a NTC, he ain't going anywhere.


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08-02-2011, 09:14 PM
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You would want Subban, Markov and Weber. Dirty.
Habs could trap to death others teams.

The new big 3...

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Habs could trap to death others teams.

The new big 3...
A Martin system with those type of top end puck movers/carriers on D would be ****ing lethal. Even just thinking of the PP(both units) makes me convulse.

Its fun to dream every once in a while.

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Of course, at this point its only a pipedream.

But something along the lines of Weber, Kostitsyn and Leblanc could get the job done in my opinion.

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You would want Subban, Markov and Weber. Dirty.
Hum.. we have them 3 already

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Of course, at this point its only a pipedream.

But something along the lines of Weber, Kostitsyn and Leblanc could get the job done in my opinion.
No it can't lol. This is Shea Weber... a top 3 defenseman in the NHL. If subban isn't an option (which I agree I would not give up for 1-2 years of weber), it definitely starts with Patches, Beaulieu.

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I've been thinking about that since last week.

One thing though, the Preds don't want big salaries, Weber on a one-year deal isn't worth as much, and even worst if they try to trade him in the 48 hours they'll have to make their decision.

I'm thinking the first thing the Preds would look at with the Habs is a young D, and not Subban, they'd never get Subban with Weber on a one-year deal, and they would have to start all over again in not too long if Subban rises even more.

IMO, they'd probably be looking for youngsters, one two-way/offensive D, and one shutdown defensive D. They'd probably look at Gorges, Emelin, Weber, Tinordi and Beaulieu, and pick two among them, fill in the rest with AK and a 1st pick. The Preds won't be in a good situation to deal Weber, even if it is Weber....

Not sure there are many teams that can offer the young Ds the Habs can offer.




Markov has a NTC, he ain't going anywhere.
Definitely not. Blum would assume Weber's spot (and he's slowly fitting that mold) beside Suter with Klein likely paired with R.Ellis who is looking like a stellar D-man. He's looking like S.Weber without the physicality.

They won't ask for a d-man or at least he won't be the centre-piece of the deal. They want first rate offense and I think they would ask for Cammy+ or Pleky++.

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Plekanec is certainly a good-looking option for them.

The only thing i dont understand is why everyone is so willing to trade every good asset you have for him, whereas you just have to make them overpay so bad that you can sign Suter later for much less. At least, you might overpay with the salary, but not with a trade itself. Or the other way around if he's traded.

Whereas the gap between the two players is not that big at all, and if there is a gap, its only because of the offensive possibilities (and because one is from Canada and not the other one ?...), but then, with our current team, its not really a problem, and thats a better fit. But im not GM.

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IMO, they'd probably be looking for youngsters, one two-way/offensive D, and one shutdown defensive D. They'd probably look at Gorges, Emelin, Weber, Tinordi and Beaulieu, and pick two among them, fill in the rest with AK and a 1st pick. The Preds won't be in a good situation to deal Weber, even if it is Weber....

Not sure there are many teams that can offer the young Ds the Habs can offer.
Lol.

Brb trading a franchise dman and only have a 20-20 winger to show for it next season.

Nashville wouldn't even give most of those names a second look.

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Habs could trap to death others teams.

The new big 3...
First thing I'm doing when I get NHL 12.

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No it can't lol. This is Shea Weber... a top 3 defenseman in the NHL. If subban isn't an option (which I agree I would not give up for 1-2 years of weber), it definitely starts with Patches, Beaulieu.
Why don't you take a look at what Pronger was traded for multiple times.

As always on HF, the value of players is grossly over valued.

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Buffalo is still 3.6 millions over the cap. What are they gonna do ? Trade Boyes ?

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Why don't you take a look at what Pronger was traded for multiple times.

As always on HF, the value of players is grossly over valued.
How about you take a look at age

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How about you take a look at age
Pronger was 30 when he was traded to Edmonton, and 31 when he was traded to Anaheim.

What difference does it make?

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