HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

The Out of Town Thread part XXIV (All non Habs related news here)

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
07-05-2011, 12:45 PM
  #201
Quarantesix
#Galchenyuk
 
Quarantesix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Montréal
Posts: 4,502
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurel Joliat View Post
It's like this with the Canadiens fans. They don't understand that fighting is a part of hockey. They are proud to be humiliate by tough hockey clubs, to refuse fighting when an opposants propose to drop the gloves, to look the ground when a teamates take a big hit or a cheap shot... And when PK do something, it's so nice to see him hide behind the refs...

They love to see a good defensive hockey game who finish 1-0...

Sorry but I want a show. I want to see MY players respond. I want them to be proud of being a Canadiens players. Now the CH represent the softness...
at least you admit that fighting is for the show not for winning games

Quarantesix is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 12:45 PM
  #202
Iwishihadacup
Registered User
 
Iwishihadacup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Quebec City
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,713
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurel Joliat View Post
It's like this with the Canadiens fans. They don't understand that fighting is a part of hockey. They are proud to be humiliate by tough hockey clubs, to refuse fighting when an opposants propose to drop the gloves, to look the ground when a teamates take a big hit or a cheap shot... And when PK do something, it's so nice to see him hide behind the refs...

They love to see a good defensive hockey game who finish 1-0...

Sorry but I want a show. I want to see MY players respond. I want them to be proud of being a Canadiens players. Now the CH represent the softness...
thats the problem, you think that declining fighting means that we are getting humiliated, winning on the scoreboard matters much more than pleasing apes like you who delight in seeing two people pounding each other

Iwishihadacup is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 12:47 PM
  #203
gusfring
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 6,274
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iwishihadacup View Post
thats the problem, you think that declining fighting means that we are getting humiliated, winning on the scoreboard matters much more than pleasing apes like you who delight in seeing two people pounding each other
Problem is we haven't won many fights or many games on the scoreboard.

We've been a middle of the road team for a while now.

gusfring is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 12:48 PM
  #204
saints96
Registered User
 
saints96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,932
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nittany View Post
Problem is we haven't won many fights or many games on the scoreboard.
because NYI won soooooo many more games than us because Konpka was in their lineup. God some of you grow up!


Last edited by saints96: 07-05-2011 at 12:56 PM.
saints96 is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 12:49 PM
  #205
hototogisu
Global Moderator
Poked the bear!!!!!
 
hototogisu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 33,485
vCash: 500
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by nittany View Post
Problem is we haven't won many fights or many games on the scoreboard.
Thinking that the former is inherently tied to the latter is where most Hab fans go horrible awry, however.

hototogisu is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 12:51 PM
  #206
HabuseMoi
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,328
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hototogisu View Post
This is the part of the argument that I have a problem with. It's such an 80's mentality. Nobody abides by the "you take out my guy I'm coming after your guy" code anymore. How protected did Eric Tangradi feel last year with Rupp on his bench when Trevor Gillies beat his head in? What stopped Victor Hedman from driving Crosby's head into the boards? What stopped Raffi Torres from elbowing Eberle in the head, with McIntyre on Edmonton's bench? What stopped Matt Cooke from trying to knock McDonagh's block off against the Rangers? The answer to all these things - nothing. The idea of signing a goon as some sort of a preventative measure is patently ludicrous and dated because it does..not..work.
The truth is that people want self satisfaction of beign able to beat a team both on the scoreboard and at the fist game. It's not about hockey, it's about bragging rights.

HabuseMoi is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 12:53 PM
  #207
Iwishihadacup
Registered User
 
Iwishihadacup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Quebec City
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,713
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nittany View Post
Problem is we haven't won many fights or many games on the scoreboard.

We've been a middle of the road team for a while now.
Konopka really would have put us over the top, truly

Iwishihadacup is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 12:57 PM
  #208
gusfring
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 6,274
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by saints96 View Post
because NYI won soooooo many more games because Konpka was in their lineup. God some of you grow up!
Are you that naive? A tough team does not guarantee winning and I've always said that a good team has a mix of players who can play and adapt to different styles.

I think right now we have too many forwards that play the same way. I would rather see a 4th line that can bring a different style to the game. And no I don't mean 3 Eric Godards, but guys like Konopka, Neil, Torres, Asham...

The last 2 champions clearly had this mix. We don't.

gusfring is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 12:59 PM
  #209
Watsatheo
Error 503 Service
 
Watsatheo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 29,466
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nittany View Post
Are you that naive? A tough team does not guarantee winning and I've always said that a good team has a mix of players who can play and adapt to different styles.

I think right now we have too many forwards that play the same way. I would rather see a 4th line that can bring a different style to the game. And no I don't mean 3 Eric Godards, but guys like Konopka, Neil, Torres, Asham...

The last 2 champions clearly had this mix. We don't.
Konopka is more like a Godard than a Neil, Torres, or Asham. Those guys can play and chip in on offense. You want a Winchester. He's 6'5'', just turned 30, cracked 10 goal plateau twice in the past three seasons, and averages over two hits per game.

Watsatheo is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 12:59 PM
  #210
Kriss E
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 24,011
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey Price View Post
It didn't stop the cheap shots completely, but it helped them win the cup. In the end Vancouver was tired of being pounded on and stopped paying the price. Thonron was mouthing off to their bench and they had nobody to answer the bell.
Right, that's why Vancouver lost...they were intimidated. They made it to the finals, but still, and Boston won in 7, but the Nucks were scared of Thornton because he was mouthing off to the bench. Goaltending had really nothing at all to do with it.
How people forget quickly over here, crazy.

The story of the finals was goaltending, and the PP.

The Nucks finished the series with 24 more shots than the Bruins, had 33 more hits, and finished +10 Giveaway/takeaway ratio over the Bruins.
On the other hand, Bruins won 11 more Faceoffs and blocked 14 more shots.

I fail to see how a supposed intimidated team would have more shots and hits than the bullying one. The reason why I don't see it is simply because it isn't true. Tim Thomas had to make some amazing and brilliant saves (which won him the Conn Smythe btw) for the Bruins to beat Vancouver. How can a team that scores 8goals in 6games while allowing 19 make it to a game 7 in the Finals?? It pretty much shows that one goalie was consistent while the other wasn't, at all.

Vancouver relied on their PP a lot. Credit the Bruins for shutting them out and frustrating them there. Kudos to Thomas who also had to make plenty of key saves throughout the series (and POs).

Thornton could have been scratched for the whole POs, it would have changed absolutely nothing.

Kriss E is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 12:59 PM
  #211
LyleOdelein
Registered User
 
LyleOdelein's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Renfrew
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,671
vCash: 500
Konopka had 30 teams that could vie for his services. He ended up signing a one year deal for 700K on a weak team four days into free agency. That's a pretty solid indicator of what his perceived value is by the GM's in the league.

I like the guy as a spark plug but if you think that he's anything more than a dime-a-dozen mediocre player, you're probably overestimating his usefulness.

LyleOdelein is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:03 PM
  #212
Protest the Hero
Registered User
 
Protest the Hero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,383
vCash: 500
Looks like the Sens just jumped to the top of the Stanley Cup contenders list.

Protest the Hero is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:03 PM
  #213
Andy
Registered User
 
Andy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,882
vCash: 500
People are more outraged about not signing Konopka then they were when they learned Hamrlik wasn't coming back.

This alone should tell you everything you need to know about most habs fans.

Andy is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:04 PM
  #214
OpenIceHit
Registered User
 
OpenIceHit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Montreal
Posts: 1,329
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleOdelein View Post
Konopka had 30 teams that could vie for his services. He ended up signing a one year deal for 700K on a weak team four days into free agency. That's a pretty solid indicator of what his perceived value is by the GM's in the league.

I like the guy as a spark plug but if you think that he's anything more than a dime-a-dozen mediocre player, you're probably overestimating his usefulness.
Yes but what's the risk at 700K for one year? If he would have sucked, bench him, bury him in the AHL, give him away for a 7th, buy him out, etc

OpenIceHit is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:04 PM
  #215
Kriss E
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 24,011
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nittany View Post
Problem is we haven't won many fights or many games on the scoreboard.

We've been a middle of the road team for a while now.
We were tied at 11th for wins. So, I think you're pretty lost. We were just 2 wins outside being tied for 8th in Wins. 4 more would have put us in the top 3.
Surely, with a top 6 intact, for the first time in a very long time, with scoring depth on the the 3rd with AK-Eller-DD, with good PMDs and faster Dmen, we could definitely get some more wins.

But no, we probably won't because we didn't sign the great Konopka.

Kriss E is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:05 PM
  #216
saints96
Registered User
 
saints96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,932
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nittany View Post
Are you that naive? A tough team does not guarantee winning and I've always said that a good team has a mix of players who can play and adapt to different styles.

I think right now we have too many forwards that play the same way. I would rather see a 4th line that can bring a different style to the game. And no I don't mean 3 Eric Godards, but guys like Konopka, Neil, Torres, Asham...

The last 2 champions clearly had this mix. We don't.
You're right. IM naive, because we won the cup right..that year we had the best fighter in the league on our team. Write PG a letter or something. Since you ***** about everything he does. Do tell him that you, nittany, are very upset and tell him what changes you would like to be made, and if you're sincere enough, by golly he will get er done!


Last edited by hototogisu: 07-05-2011 at 01:06 PM. Reason: don't circumvent the filter
saints96 is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:06 PM
  #217
Iwishihadacup
Registered User
 
Iwishihadacup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Quebec City
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,713
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OpenIceHit View Post
Yes but what's the risk at 700K for one year? If he would have sucked, bench him, bury him in the AHL, give him away for a 7th, buy him out, etc
maybe he's even worst than what you think he is?

Iwishihadacup is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:06 PM
  #218
Aurel Joliat
Registered User
 
Aurel Joliat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Ottawa, ON, CA
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,609
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleOdelein View Post
Konopka had 30 teams that could vie for his services. He ended up signing a one year deal for 700K on a weak team four days into free agency. That's a pretty solid indicator of what his perceived value is by the GM's in the league.
And our beloved Tom Pyatt is not sign too ! Why ? #1 PKer of the #1 PK in the NHL This guy is a beast, perfect defensive forward, fast Why he is not sign ?

Aurel Joliat is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:10 PM
  #219
Kriss E
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 24,011
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OpenIceHit View Post
Yes but what's the risk at 700K for one year? If he would have sucked, bench him, bury him in the AHL, give him away for a 7th, buy him out, etc
Gauthier needs to re-sign White and Gorges, which would bring us to 12F 7D 2G. We would have 21 players under contract with a 23 men limit. Did you ever think that, with probably about 5M left after re-signing Gorges & White, Gauthier would want to use his last 2 spots and remaining cap on some more valuable players???

Kriss E is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:11 PM
  #220
OpenIceHit
Registered User
 
OpenIceHit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Montreal
Posts: 1,329
vCash: 500
And for those of you who are still saying Bruins 4th line wasn't a factor in their championship winning, go type "Bruins 4th line" in google news, there's are a bunch a specialist saying all the contrary. You don't have to read the Boston Globe or any biased media, try all the other and try to find one that says their 4th line wasn't a factor...

OpenIceHit is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:11 PM
  #221
Maverik
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 575
vCash: 500
Who said Konopka would of signed in Montreal anyway. Maybe if we had made an offer, he would of refused it right away. Stop blaming Gauthier when you don't even know a tenth of the story...

Maverik is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:12 PM
  #222
SouthernHab
Registered User
 
SouthernHab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 10,487
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nittany View Post
Are you that naive? A tough team does not guarantee winning and I've always said that a good team has a mix of players who can play and adapt to different styles.

I think right now we have too many forwards that play the same way. I would rather see a 4th line that can bring a different style to the game. And no I don't mean 3 Eric Godards, but guys like Konopka, Neil, Torres, Asham...

The last 2 champions clearly had this mix. We don't.
nittany, great post.

I think that the problem here on the boards (and in the city of Montreal) is that the biggest majority of fans DO NOT REMEMBER or did not see what winning Canadiens teams looked like or played like. They do not remember the tough guys that we had on the Cup winning teams. Very few if any teams pushed the Canadiens around. The Habs were the aggressors.

But over time, eleven years to be exact, Pierre Boivin has transformed this team and the entire organization into what we have today......a weak and pacifist team. Boivin as president ensured that his pacifist ways would prevail. And the trend continues with Gauthier and Martin, two of the biggest pacifists in the NHL.

It will take a LONG time to free this franchise of its pacifist roots that have entrenched itself among management, top to bottom.

Til then, get used to seeing Gionta body slammed to the ice like he was on more than one occasion last season. The rest of the team just stood and watched. Gutless.......but encouraged by Martin and Gauthier.

SouthernHab is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:12 PM
  #223
Iwishihadacup
Registered User
 
Iwishihadacup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Quebec City
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,713
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OpenIceHit View Post
And for those of you who are still saying Bruins 4th line wasn't a factor in their championship winning, go type "Bruins 4th line" in google news, there's are a bunch a specialist saying all the contrary. You don't have to read the Boston Globe or any biased media, try all the other and try to find one that says their 4th line wasn't a factor...
no such a thing on the internets, you must be stoned

Iwishihadacup is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:14 PM
  #224
tinyzombies
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Calif via Montreal
Posts: 11,559
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleOdelein View Post
Konopka had 30 teams that could vie for his services. He ended up signing a one year deal for 700K on a weak team four days into free agency. That's a pretty solid indicator of what his perceived value is by the GM's in the league.

I like the guy as a spark plug but if you think that he's anything more than a dime-a-dozen mediocre player, you're probably overestimating his usefulness.
And he takes TONS of penalties. NOT what we need.

tinyzombies is offline  
Old
07-05-2011, 01:17 PM
  #225
SouthernHab
Registered User
 
SouthernHab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 10,487
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverik View Post
Who said Konopka would of signed in Montreal anyway. Maybe if we had made an offer, he would of refused it right away. Stop blaming Gauthier when you don't even know a tenth of the story...
Konopka, Eager, Rupp, Vandermeer etc and so on.

But like most Gauthier apologists, you want to have it both ways.

You lay blame on the player for not wanting to come here. OK. I will buy your premise. If that is the case, why doesnt that player (or even the scoring forwards) want to come here? Is it because of the coaching staff? Surely it cant be the city of Montreal because almost every player ranks this city as one of the best to play hockey?

But in reality, none of those players are here because Gauthier did not go after them.

Carry on with the Gauthier apologizing.

SouthernHab is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:41 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.