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07-02-2011, 12:47 AM
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Going over some notes, and thought you might find the below points interesting.

1) Just saw the 2011-12 Schedule. The Senators play the Leafs SIX times next season. EACH time they play them, it will be the second night of a back-to-back. On two of those occasions, the Leafs will be sitting in Ottawa waiting for them. And on others they will have three days rest, leading up to Ottawa. Both teams, coincidentally have 15 back-to-back games next year. As mentioned, Ottawa will be playing Toronto on the second night of a back-to-back EACH TIME they play next season, whereas Toronto will only have one game against Ottawa on the second night of a back-to-back.

2) Last year at the trade deadline, the Senators shipped out roughly 14.6 milllion in salaries at the trade deadline. And (although there are some miscellaneous extras due to injuries) the combination of Craig Anderson (2.125), Curtis McElhinney (.570), Marek Svatos (.800), Eric Condra (.630), and Colin Greening (.735) account for about 4.86 million coming back. The trade deadline occurs at rough day 146 or 186 into their salary (or about 78.5% of the season). Thus the Sens saved roughtly 7.65 million on paper (difference of 14.6 million - 4.86 million = 9.74 million X .785 of the season). For argument sake, let's say the average ticket at Scotiabank Place is $100. By saving $7.65 million, was essentially the same as selling 76,500 tickets. There were only 10 home dates after the Trade Deadline. Thus, Bryan Murray sold about 7,650 tickets per game for Mr. Melnyk in March and April.

3) For those people who talk about waiving Filip Kuba, I just want to remind people that Bryan McCabe (who had a 5.75 million cap hit, as opposed to 3.67 million) was traded at the deadline last year for a 3rd rounder plus Tim Kennedy. Kuba is still an asset. And could fetch us a 3rd-4th round draft pick at the deadline next year.

4) Face it. We're in rebuilding mode, and will likely be sellers again at the deadline. Currently our only UFA's for next season are Kuba, Matt Carkner and Jesse Winchester. Not a great crop to fetch us draft picks.

5) In 2013-14, Danny Heatley will have a Cap Hit of 7.5 million but a true salary of only 5.0 million. Milan Michalek will actually be making 6.0 million that year, even though he has a 4.33 million cap hit.

6) Reminder: Jeff Skinner won the Calder this year, despite being picked 7th overall. Taylor Hall (1st) and Tyler Seguin (2nd) had their growing pains. That's not to say those two aren't going to be stars. Nor am I saying that Mika Zibanejad is going to score 31 goals and have 63 points next year, like Skinner did this year. Just saying it's more about opportunity than anything else. And we certainly have an oppportunity for someone to come in an play top 6, and power play minutes.

7) Nikita Filatov was drafted 6th overall in 2008, ahead of Mikkel Boedker, Josh Bailey, Cody Hodgson, Tyler Myers and, of course, Erik Karlsson.

8) Of the Top 17 players drafted in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, just four of them have yet to play in the NHL: 11th Kyle Beach (Chicago), 13th (Colten Teubert, now Edmonton), and yes, two Leafs acquired at the draft in Joe Colborne (16th), and Jake Gardiner (17th).

9) Let's reserve judgement on Stefan Noesen, who several people comment was not even ranked in the first round. Nor was Erik Karlsson when he was picked 15th overall in 2008. He too, was an off-the-board-selection by Bryan Murray's staff.

10) A list of other players from last season who were dumped shortly after July 1st in order to shed salary: Andrej Meszaros, Andrew Ladd, Simon Gagne and James Wisniewski.

11) 64.7% of all NHL stats are just made up. Think about that for a second, and Happy Canada Day!

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It's spelled Dany "one mutha****ing N" Heatley.

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It's spelled Dany "one mutha****ing N" Heatley.
you forgot all star...

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Nah he lost all star status.

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Going over some notes, and thought you might find the below points interesting.

1) Just saw the 2011-12 Schedule. The Senators play the Leafs SIX times next season. EACH time they play them, it will be the second night of a back-to-back. On two of those occasions, the Leafs will be sitting in Ottawa waiting for them. And on others they will have three days rest, leading up to Ottawa. Both teams, coincidentally have 15 back-to-back games next year. As mentioned, Ottawa will be playing Toronto on the second night of a back-to-back EACH TIME they play next season, whereas Toronto will only have one game against Ottawa on the second night of a back-to-back.

2) Last year at the trade deadline, the Senators shipped out roughly 14.6 milllion in salaries at the trade deadline. And (although there are some miscellaneous extras due to injuries) the combination of Craig Anderson (2.125), Curtis McElhinney (.570), Marek Svatos (.800), Eric Condra (.630), and Colin Greening (.735) account for about 4.86 million coming back. The trade deadline occurs at rough day 146 or 186 into their salary (or about 78.5% of the season). Thus the Sens saved roughtly 7.65 million on paper (difference of 14.6 million - 4.86 million = 9.74 million X .785 of the season). For argument sake, let's say the average ticket at Scotiabank Place is $100. By saving $7.65 million, was essentially the same as selling 76,500 tickets. There were only 10 home dates after the Trade Deadline. Thus, Bryan Murray sold about 7,650 tickets per game for Mr. Melnyk in March and April.

3) For those people who talk about waiving Filip Kuba, I just want to remind people that Bryan McCabe (who had a 5.75 million cap hit, as opposed to 3.67 million) was traded at the deadline last year for a 3rd rounder plus Tim Kennedy. Kuba is still an asset. And could fetch us a 3rd-4th round draft pick at the deadline next year.

4) Face it. We're in rebuilding mode, and will likely be sellers again at the deadline. Currently our only UFA's for next season are Kuba, Matt Carkner and Jesse Winchester. Not a great crop to fetch us draft picks.

5) In 2013-14, Danny Heatley will have a Cap Hit of 7.5 million but a true salary of only 5.0 million. Milan Michalek will actually be making 6.0 million that year, even though he has a 4.33 million cap hit.

6) Reminder: Jeff Skinner won the Calder this year, despite being picked 7th overall. Taylor Hall (1st) and Tyler Seguin (2nd) had their growing pains. That's not to say those two aren't going to be stars. Nor am I saying that Mika Zibanejad is going to score 31 goals and have 63 points next year, like Skinner did this year. Just saying it's more about opportunity than anything else. And we certainly have an oppportunity for someone to come in an play top 6, and power play minutes.

7) Nikita Filatov was drafted 6th overall in 2008, ahead of Mikkel Boedker, Josh Bailey, Cody Hodgson, Tyler Myers and, of course, Erik Karlsson.

8) Of the Top 17 players drafted in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, just four of them have yet to play in the NHL: 11th Kyle Beach (Chicago), 13th (Colten Teubert, now Edmonton), and yes, two Leafs acquired at the draft in Joe Colborne (16th), and Jake Gardiner (17th).

9) Let's reserve judgement on Stefan Noesen, who several people comment was not even ranked in the first round. Nor was Erik Karlsson when he was picked 15th overall in 2008. He too, was an off-the-board-selection by Bryan Murray's staff.

10) A list of other players from last season who were dumped shortly after July 1st in order to shed salary: Andrej Meszaros, Andrew Ladd, Simon Gagne and James Wisniewski.

11) 64.7% of all NHL stats are just made up. Think about that for a second, and Happy Canada Day!
I'm going to point out that you made a mistake with the math because I'm an ******* that way. It should be x .215 because 78.5% of the season has already been played and the players paid by that point. That's 2,094,100 saved by Murray.

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Going over some notes, and thought you might find the below points interesting.

1) Just saw the 2011-12 Schedule. The Senators play the Leafs SIX times next season. EACH time they play them, it will be the second night of a back-to-back. On two of those occasions, the Leafs will be sitting in Ottawa waiting for them. And on others they will have three days rest, leading up to Ottawa. Both teams, coincidentally have 15 back-to-back games next year. As mentioned, Ottawa will be playing Toronto on the second night of a back-to-back EACH TIME they play next season, whereas Toronto will only have one game against Ottawa on the second night of a back-to-back.

2) Last year at the trade deadline, the Senators shipped out roughly 14.6 milllion in salaries at the trade deadline. And (although there are some miscellaneous extras due to injuries) the combination of Craig Anderson (2.125), Curtis McElhinney (.570), Marek Svatos (.800), Eric Condra (.630), and Colin Greening (.735) account for about 4.86 million coming back. The trade deadline occurs at rough day 146 or 186 into their salary (or about 78.5% of the season). Thus the Sens saved roughtly 7.65 million on paper (difference of 14.6 million - 4.86 million = 9.74 million X .785 of the season). For argument sake, let's say the average ticket at Scotiabank Place is $100. By saving $7.65 million, was essentially the same as selling 76,500 tickets. There were only 10 home dates after the Trade Deadline. Thus, Bryan Murray sold about 7,650 tickets per game for Mr. Melnyk in March and April.

3) For those people who talk about waiving Filip Kuba, I just want to remind people that Bryan McCabe (who had a 5.75 million cap hit, as opposed to 3.67 million) was traded at the deadline last year for a 3rd rounder plus Tim Kennedy. Kuba is still an asset. And could fetch us a 3rd-4th round draft pick at the deadline next year.

4) Face it. We're in rebuilding mode, and will likely be sellers again at the deadline. Currently our only UFA's for next season are Kuba, Matt Carkner and Jesse Winchester. Not a great crop to fetch us draft picks.

5) In 2013-14, Danny Heatley will have a Cap Hit of 7.5 million but a true salary of only 5.0 million. Milan Michalek will actually be making 6.0 million that year, even though he has a 4.33 million cap hit.

6) Reminder: Jeff Skinner won the Calder this year, despite being picked 7th overall. Taylor Hall (1st) and Tyler Seguin (2nd) had their growing pains. That's not to say those two aren't going to be stars. Nor am I saying that Mika Zibanejad is going to score 31 goals and have 63 points next year, like Skinner did this year. Just saying it's more about opportunity than anything else. And we certainly have an oppportunity for someone to come in an play top 6, and power play minutes.

7) Nikita Filatov was drafted 6th overall in 2008, ahead of Mikkel Boedker, Josh Bailey, Cody Hodgson, Tyler Myers and, of course, Erik Karlsson.

8) Of the Top 17 players drafted in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, just four of them have yet to play in the NHL: 11th Kyle Beach (Chicago), 13th (Colten Teubert, now Edmonton), and yes, two Leafs acquired at the draft in Joe Colborne (16th), and Jake Gardiner (17th).

9) Let's reserve judgement on Stefan Noesen, who several people comment was not even ranked in the first round. Nor was Erik Karlsson when he was picked 15th overall in 2008. He too, was an off-the-board-selection by Bryan Murray's staff.

10) A list of other players from last season who were dumped shortly after July 1st in order to shed salary: Andrej Meszaros, Andrew Ladd, Simon Gagne and James Wisniewski.

11) 64.7% of all NHL stats are just made up. Think about that for a second, and Happy Canada Day!
Very interesting read!

Regarding the bolded, that's true, but you can expound on that, because 73.2% of all stats (NHL and otherwise) are made up. 12.6% of people know that.






















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Interesting, veeeeeeeeeeerryyy interesting..

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I'm going to point out that you made a mistake with the math because I'm an ******* that way. It should be x .215 because 78.5% of the season has already been played and the players paid by that point. That's 2,094,100 saved by Murray.
Yup, thanks. Late Canada Day post. Other factors involved in the math, if you know what I mean...

Should have been along the lines of sending off 14.6 milllion in salaries (approximately 75% had already been paid). Thus saving 3.65 million. And taking on about 4.86 million in salaries, of which 75% had already been paid, leaving 1.215 million. Saving the Sens over 2.4 million. Slightly more than that, considering some guys were shipped out a little earlier (Fisher) than the actual trade deadline.

But at an average of $100 per seat, Murray help Melnyk save/sell the equivalent of 24,000 seats. But you get the idea...

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