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[WSH/COL] Varlamov for a 1st in '12, 2nd in '12 or '13

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03-18-2012, 02:01 PM
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He's with the big club right now...
And i don't know why you say "had."
Goalie prospects take longer to develop. It's not like we've given up on him if that's what you're implying...
I didn't meant to say we still don't, but the reason we were confidant to trade Varly was either Nuevy would remain solid or Holtby could become the guy. Thus the reason we traded Varly is we had confidence in Holtby.

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03-18-2012, 02:09 PM
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Whoops.


Oh right I forgot, here comes the 400 page manifesto on why Neuvy is the best goalie ever ever even though Varly has put up thoroughly better numbers in every category every single season. And how all of his difficulties at not letting in derp goals stem from Vokoun warping his fragile little mind.

But yeah, nice call there. No other goalie ever gets shelled when their team quits so hard the coach (who leaves him in for all 7) changes the entire system the game after.

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Oh right I forgot, here comes the 400 page manifesto on why Neuvy is the best goalie ever ever even though Varly has put up thoroughly better numbers in every category every single season. And how all of his difficulties at not letting in derp goals stem from Vokoun warping his fragile little mind.

But yeah, nice call there. No other goalie ever gets shelled when their team quits so hard the coach (who leaves him in for all 7) changes the entire system the game after.

Sounds good.

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03-18-2012, 02:16 PM
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Whoops.


You do realize you're actually arguing for Varlamov's consistency in bringing up that game, right? Well, I guess you probably don't, but you are. It's weird that I've helpfully provided you with these links multiple times and you still haven't learned anything at all from them:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...eason=20102011
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...eason=20102011

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03-18-2012, 02:45 PM
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varly for a mid first rounder? sign me up everytime. also throw in a 2nd? yes please. i have faith holtby will be the guy in the long run.

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03-18-2012, 03:00 PM
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I still don't mind the Varley trade. The guy was always getting hurt and then he pulled that KHL threat at the end and that kind of BS doesn't sit well with me. Hopefully Vokoun moves on after this season and Neuvy and Holtby will compete for the top spot with Grubauer a wild card like Holtby of a couple years ago.

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03-18-2012, 03:03 PM
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I really don't think Grubauer is going to be a legitimate NHL goalie.

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03-18-2012, 03:05 PM
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You do realize you're actually arguing for Varlamov's consistency in bringing up that game, right? Well, I guess you probably don't, but you are. It's weird that I've helpfully provided you with these links multiple times and you still haven't learned anything at all from them:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...eason=20102011
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...eason=20102011
Thanks for the links, i've seen the stats plenty of times. But Goaltending is about much more than just stats.

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He wasn't going to be given the starting job in DC. His KHL threats made him expendable. Great that the trade is working out for both teams.

Move on.

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03-18-2012, 03:08 PM
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Thanks for the links, i've seen the stats plenty of times. But Goaltending is about much more than just stats.
Sure, but you've already made clear that you didn't watch the games last year, so you may as well at least have something to go by.

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03-18-2012, 03:09 PM
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You guys got something for something instead of nothing for something.

I don't see how you didn't win it. It was clear that he wouldn't be in Washington so your GM hopped on the best offer he got and now you have something instead of nothing.

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And by winning it you won the situation. The trade itself means nothing. You shipped out a bad, expiring asset for something instead of letting it leave for nothing.

Varlamov has been lights out for Colorado, but that's not even the point anymore.

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He wasn't going to be given the starting job in DC. His KHL threats made him expendable. Great that the trade is working out for both teams.

Move on.

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03-18-2012, 03:15 PM
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Trades are allowed to be win/win...

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03-18-2012, 03:17 PM
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Trades are allowed to be win/win...
Which this obviously is. Colorado got the best goalie they've had since Roy and you got a pretty damn good price for a goalie threatening to leave for Russia.

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Trades are allowed to be win/win...
No they aren't. Mcphee always has to be on the lose side...

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03-18-2012, 03:58 PM
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I hated the trade when it happened and I hate it today. Varly is a world-class talent with a great attitude. His career was handled badly by the Caps. I don't blame him for trying to get away and I wish him all the success in the world. He's already helped the Avs to exceed expectations. Give them a few more years to build the team and this trade will be an obvious steal for Colorado.

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03-18-2012, 04:01 PM
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I hated the trade when it happened and I hate it today. Varly is a world-class talent with a great attitude. His career was handled badly by the Caps. I don't blame him for trying to get away and I wish him all the success in the world. He's already helped the Avs to exceed expectations. Give them a few more years to build the team and this trade will be an obvious steal for Colorado.
As an Avs fan I love hearing that. But goaltenders are strange animals. He has the potential but you never know.

Again you guys got something instead of nothing.

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03-18-2012, 04:35 PM
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As an Avs fan I love hearing that. But goaltenders are strange animals. He has the potential but you never know.

True. Varly wasn't a guarantee top 10 NHL goalie of the future--it still isn't sure. But every indication is that he's the real deal. To trade that known potential for an unknown is a blunder.

Meanwhile, the same mind was hastening to sign Joel Ward and Brooks Laich to big dollar contracts.

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True. Varly wasn't a guarantee top 10 NHL goalie of the future--it still isn't sure. But every indication is that he's the real deal. To trade that known potential for an unknown is a blunder.

Meanwhile, the same mind was hastening to sign Joel Ward and Brooks Laich to big dollar contracts.
And who knows who your pick turns into... Could end up being the next Claude Giroux.

Just let bygones be bygones and look at the two picks you'll have in the 10-20 range... If you guys get Sebastian Collberg and Slater Koekkoek in the draft I don't think you guys will be complaining too much about Varly later

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03-18-2012, 06:41 PM
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varly for a mid first rounder? sign me up everytime. also throw in a 2nd? yes please. i have faith holtby will be the guy in the long run.
I thought you guys were in the 'win now' mode?

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03-18-2012, 06:59 PM
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I hated the trade when it happened and I hate it today. Varly is a world-class talent with a great attitude. His career was handled badly by the Caps. I don't blame him for trying to get away and I wish him all the success in the world. He's already helped the Avs to exceed expectations. Give them a few more years to build the team and this trade will be an obvious steal for Colorado.
A great attitude? He was going to go to the KHL if he wasn't handed the #1 starting role.

Imagine if Semin threatened to go to the KHL if he wasn't promised a spot on the top-line...You'd be saying how he has such a bad attitude.

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I thought you guys were in the 'win now' mode?
Washington is never really in win-now mode.

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Don't understand why people are second guessing this. Compensation via offer sheet would have been a 2nd, we got a 1st and 2nd.

Not to mention the player had a sense of entitlement and was delivering ultimatums that he was in no position to give.

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03-18-2012, 08:11 PM
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Thanks for the links, i've seen the stats plenty of times. But Goaltending is about much more than just stats.
The "goalie is better than his stats" mantra helps Varlamov out a whole lot more than Neuvirth.

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