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07-03-2011, 07:52 PM
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The ****? Erhoff's goes from 10 to 1.
No, Ehrhoff's according to capgeek goes 10, 8, 4, 4, 4, 4, 3, 1, 1, 1.

So the highest year is 10 so the biggest drop can be 5.

His deal is cap compliant.

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07-03-2011, 08:01 PM
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No, Ehrhoff's according to capgeek goes 10, 8, 4, 4, 4, 4, 3, 1, 1, 1.

So the highest year is 10 so the biggest drop can be 5.

His deal is cap compliant.
Oh, I thought you meant from highest to lowest.

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Gotta admit that I love the Talbot signing. When he was on the WJC teams with Carter, Richards, etc...., he was one of those guys who knew what his role was and played it superbly. I love the new checking line of Talbot - Betts - Nodl and I think it's going to be a line that will give teams fits. I also think this line is going to see a lot of ice time and will be more than just an "energy" line in the sense of 2-1-1 line ups.

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"Talbot contract violates the terms of the CBA. Philadelphia will have to tweak it to bring it in line. Doubt the Flyers will be penalized."
I really see nothing wrong with the contract, there isn't that kind of steep dropoff that you see in other contracts. If true though, it's just some **** you can fix up.


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"Talbot contract violates the terms of the CBA. Philadelphia will have to tweak it to bring it in line. Doubt the Flyers will be penalized."

I really see nothing wrong with the contract, there isn't that kind of steep dropoff that you see in other contracts. If true though, it's just some **** you can fix up.
Yeah, there are many other contracts that are far more questionable than what the Flyers just did.

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And proof that they really didn't know the 35+ Rule for Pronger.

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"Talbot contract violates the terms of the CBA. Philadelphia will have to tweak it to bring it in line. Doubt the Flyers will be penalized."

I really see nothing wrong with the contract, there isn't that kind of steep dropoff that you see in other contracts. If true though, it's just some **** you can fix up.
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Briefly, according to Article 50.7 of the CBA, a player cannot have their salary decrease from year to year by more than half the amount of their first two year’s salaries. In the reported Talbot contract, he has a salary of $2.25 million in the second year, but sees his salary decrease from $2.25 million in the third year to $1 million in the fourth year. That $1.25 million decrease is more than half the amount of the lowest salary during the first two years.
http://philly.sbnation.com/philadelp...albot-contract

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So it's cap circumvention to sign someone for 750K for two years with the first year being 1M and the 2nd being 500K? How ****ing lame is that. My god it's such a big impact to the whole league to **** it's pants... :.

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And proof that they really didn't know the 35+ Rule for Pronger.
You'd think they could hire someone that has actually read the CBA! Hell, they could just post their proposed contracts here, and numerous qualified posters would be able to identify their flaws.


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So it's cap circumvention to sign someone for 750K for two years with the first year being 1M and the 2nd being 500K? How ****ing lame is that. My god it's such a big impact to the whole league to **** it's pants... :.
No, the deal you just outlined is perfectly legal... the first 2 years of a contract can be separated by an amount = to the lower salary of the two years. In this case, the max separation could be 500k, and 1million minus 500k is 500k, so you'd be cap compliant.

Btw, this is a very easy fix... you just take a little money from year 3 and move it to year 4 and it's done. It's not hard @ all...

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No, Ehrhoff's according to capgeek goes 10, 8, 4, 4, 4, 4, 3, 1, 1, 1.

So the highest year is 10 so the biggest drop can be 5.

His deal is cap compliant.
Actually just to clarify, his can only drop by $4M from one year to the next.


The rule can be understood like this:

"The salary cannot drop from one year to the next by half of whichever of the first two years is lower."

In Christian's case, the lower of the first two years is $8M so the biggest drop allowed is $4M.

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I don't think the NHL views this contract as circumvention it just a technical violation of the rules. They will ask Philly to tweak it. They can move 62,500 from year 3 to year 4. They can move money from year 3 to year 2 to allow a bigger drop.

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Actually just to clarify, his can only drop by $4M from one year to the next.


The rule can be understood like this:

"The salary cannot drop from one year to the next by half of whichever of the first two years is lower."

In Christian's case, the lower of the first two years is $8M so the biggest drop allowed is $4M.
So only the first two years counts? Shouldn't it be the final few years since that is when all the circumvention gets done anyway. I mean Erhoff's contract clearly goes from 3million to 1million at the tail end. A drop of more than 50% but just because he gets 8 million in year 2 whatever happens in year 5 is irrelevant in terms of drop off?

That to me is completely bogus. It either should be 50% year to year or just make a % of the salary for that year count against the cap. . . If you want to pay a player $10 mil this season. . . fine, but guess what 75% of that is against the cap. The cap is a joke anyway at this point.

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Proof that there is no plan.

And proof that they really didn't know the 35+ Rule for Pronger.
It's more like no one tried to bypass the cap and therefor no one checked that.

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Barry Hanrarahananana, Hannah Barbara or whatever this jerk off's name is needs a different job. Home boy has botched several things publicly at this point.

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Actually just to clarify, his can only drop by $4M from one year to the next.


The rule can be understood like this:

"The salary cannot drop from one year to the next by half of whichever of the first two years is lower."

In Christian's case, the lower of the first two years is $8M so the biggest drop allowed is $4M.
Ah, right. I was working off a hazy memory of the Kovalchuk saga last year when I learned about the rule. Thanks for the clarification.

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Since B. Richard's contract goes 2, 4, 9, 8.5, 8.5, 7, 1, 1, 1, will that contract also be reviewed? Or because the deal kicks up after the second year, do different rules apply? I'm leaving this to you capologists.

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Since B. Richard's contract goes 2, 4, 9, 8.5, 8.5, 7, 1, 1, 1, will that contract also be reviewed? Or because the deal kicks up after the second year, do different rules apply? I'm leaving this to you capologists.
According to capgeek.com Richards contract is:

2011-12 $12,000,000
2012-13 $12,000,000
2013-14 $9,000,000
2014-15 $8,500,000
2015-16 $8,500,000
2016-17 $7,000,000
2017-18 $1,000,000
2018-19 $1,000,000
2019-20 $1,000,000

There isn't a jump higher than 50%.

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According to capgeek.com Richards contract is:

2011-12 $12,000,000
2012-13 $12,000,000
2013-14 $9,000,000
2014-15 $8,500,000
2015-16 $8,500,000
2016-17 $7,000,000
2017-18 $1,000,000
2018-19 $1,000,000
2019-20 $1,000,000

There isn't a jump higher than 50%.
Is this an easier way to explain the rule, tell me if I have this wrong, because I get confused with it:

"Going backwards from the end contract to the start, it cannot double from one year to the one previous."

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Is this an easier way to explain the rule, tell me if I have this wrong, because I get confused with it:

"Going backwards from the end contract to the start, it cannot double from one year to the one previous."
The difference between two years cannot be higher than 50% of the lower of the first two years.

For Richards contract, the first two years are $12MM each. The difference can't be higher than 50% of that, $6MM.

For Talbots contract, the first two years are $2.5MM and $2.25MM. $2.25MM is the lower year, half of that is $1.125MM, the difference can't be higher than that. But the difference between year 3 and 4 is $1.25MM, makes the contract illegal.

Your rule doesn't work with Richards contract (which is legal). Going backwards from year 7 to year 6 it is more than twice the old amount.

I hope that helps.

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Yeah, that makes more sense

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Deckard with great info as always.

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Talbot's name never appeared on the roster on the Flyers website, either, so it's unclear if it was even filed with the league.

However, they have yet to remove all of our UFA's

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