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07-02-2011, 01:32 AM
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PG: "at least mild interest in adding an enforcer and a blue collar center."

OK, so........who?

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I've been saying Arnott for a while. I don't know why. It just seems like it should happen. He's old.

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Does this team need ANOTHER center?

Enforcer I'm ambivalent about.

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None of the above.

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Meh. If Shero wants a blue collared C and an enforcer he might as well sign Konopka. Basically 2 birds, 1 stone... even though Konopka isn't your prototypical enforcer.

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07-02-2011, 02:29 AM
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None of the above.
I agree we don't need either in my opinion. As far as center goes it sounds like Staal is going back to the 3rd line from what I just Read in the paper. Shero was quoted as saying how is is hard for the other teams to match up and we don't have to worry about matching up when we have those 3. So with Crosby, Malkin, and Staal as your top 3 centers you have Letestu and Jeffrey fighting it out for 4th line center duty. Both have shown they can play good enough for 3rd line center duty in my opinion. Let one of them get the 5-10 minutes a game the 4th line center gets.

As far as enforcer goes Engelland was the enforcer last year and did a great job with it. If we ever needed a forward enforcer for a game or two bring up someone from WBS. They made Veilleux an enforcer type down in WBS and he is big with some skill. I would rather they bring him up for 4th line duty when an extra fighter is needed. How important is it to have someone like Godard that hardly played anyway last year. Couldn't a guy like Veilleux handle that role and could actually play better than Godard? We also have guys like Kunitz, Cooke, Neal, Adams, Asham, Orpik, and others that are willing to step up if needed when someone is doing something dirty. How much toughness do you really need and when you dress an enforcer that means you sit a guy like Asham, Adams, Letestu, or Jeffrey that most likely those 4 will be fighting for playing time on the 4th line.

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07-02-2011, 02:34 AM
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Veilleux can fight?

Edit: well this answers that..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWqxB9x6Ngo



Haha..abuses the same guy again a few weeks later. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_tcDukePkY&NR=1

Damn..and this against a great fighter according to announcers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL2PC...eature=related

Had no idea he could fight.


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Joe Vitale. Won't cost Shero anything. He's no enforcer but he's the definition of blue collar. I'm not an "enforcer" fan. Engelland, Asham and Adams is enough. Our team isn't soff regardless.

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07-02-2011, 02:44 AM
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Veilleux can fight?
He changed his game this year to be an enforcer type. I was surprised as you when they started that last year. The guy was once a projected top 6 forward and everyone talked about his skill level being right near the top of any of our forward prospects. With his size he could make a nice Rupp type down the road and can become an enforcer type that can have some decent skill for a 4th liner and maybe chip in 8 to 10 goals a year while helping out Engelland with some of the nasty biz. I really can't see how he would not be able to play as well as Godard now and develop into as good as Rupp soon as far as actual game play. Now as far as fighting as long as he can hold his own he only has to be our 2nd option because Engelland can stand toe to toe with anyone.

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07-02-2011, 02:49 AM
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Veilleux isn't an enforcer, he's just a guy that can step in and fight at times. He could be a Rupp type, but less of a fighter with some pretty nice shootout skills.

I like that he's added some sandpaper to his game, but let's not get carried away. None of the guys he fought were great fighters by any stretch of the imagination, despite what Tom Grace will tell you.

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07-02-2011, 02:52 AM
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He changed his game this year to be an enforcer type. I was surprised as you when they started that last year. The guy was once a projected top 6 forward and everyone talked about his skill level being right near the top of any of our forward prospects. With his size he could make a nice Rupp type down the road and can become an enforcer type that can have some decent skill for a 4th liner and maybe chip in 8 to 10 goals a year while helping out Engelland with some of the nasty biz. I really can't see how he would not be able to play as well as Godard now and develop into as good as Rupp soon as far as actual game play. Now as far as fighting as long as he can hold his own he only has to be our 2nd option because Engelland can stand toe to toe with anyone.
Yeah I wanted the guy to eventually crack the roster , know all about his skill and had high hopes for him. Injuries set him back, but he stayed healthy last year if I remember correctly. Wanted him on the team before I had any idea he could throw down. And you're right, with that size/skill..and be able to fight(not saying he's a heavyweight by any means, just "willing" to fight and be able to hold his own), he should definitely be up with the Pens in the near future. Certainly more skill than Rupp has.

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Knuble?

Winchester?

Arnott?

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Edit: Nevermind, referred to an outdated free agent list.

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i'd be a little surprised if we didnt.


never doubted the talent here to win the cup, but we did lose size and character in the last few days

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If Shero signs an enforcer I hope it's one on a two-way deal.

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Arnott is out of our cap range.

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Arnott is out of our cap range.
He's 36, maybe he could think about signing for around $2 milion. I think he's not completely out of our range.


FORWARDS
James Neal ($2.875m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Steve Sullivan ($1.500m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Jordan Staal ($4.000m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Jason Arnott ($2.000m) / Tyler Kennedy ($2.000m)
Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m) / Mark Letestu ($0.625m) / Arron Asham ($0.775m)
Craig Adams ($0.675m)

DEFENSEMEN
Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m)
Brooks Orpik ($3.750m) / Kristopher Letang ($3.500m)
Matt Niskanen ($1.500m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.566m)
Ben Lovejoy ($0.525m)

GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m) / Brent Johnson ($0.600m)

SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,316,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $983,333

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07-02-2011, 06:23 AM
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Maybe John Madden?

Don't think he's needed (Or anybody else for that matter)... but honestly wouldn't mind him, either.

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Did Godard sign somewhere yet?

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Did Godard sign somewhere yet?
I don't think so, but he's not coming back here, he wants to go somewhere he can play a bit more.

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07-02-2011, 06:36 AM
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I don't think Arnott has the speed to play Bylsma's system. Did anyone watch him on the Capitals this past season? It was pretty apparent when watching him skate.

Not sure why the team would want a blue collar center, I mean don't Joe Vitale and Ryan Craig fit that bill?

As for the enforcer, who is left at this point?

I wouldn't mind J-F Jacques previously of the Edmonton Oilers. He's 6'4", skates well for a guy his size and is a capable fighter.

If Shane O'Brien wasn't such a loose cannon, I'd be all for him, but he's also a defenseman but he's physical.

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I don't think so, but he's not coming back here, he wants to go somewhere he can play a bit more.
Well, the only place that may happen is in the AHL. Although like I said, most teams don't mind having a 4th line goon on the roster. When the Avery's, Gillies', of the league start running people, I really don't want a Kunitz, Cooke, or even Engelland breaking a hand dealing with it.

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Byron Bitz might be worth a chance one a two-way deal at minimum salary. Younger guy, big, strong, hard-hitting, was establishing himself as a handy fourth line checker (and a bit of a fan favourite) before injury rubbed him out all of last season and ended his season early the year before as well.

Unqualified due to injury concerns no doubt, but healthy could compete for and find a place as a bruising 13th forward.

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Well, the only place that may happen is in the AHL. Although like I said, most teams don't mind having a 4th line goon on the roster. When the Avery's, Gillies', of the league start running people, I really don't want a Kunitz, Cooke, or even Engelland breaking a hand dealing with it.
Looked through some of the guys available...


Konopka
Winchester
Stortini
Jacques
Janssen
Bodie (brutal fighter, Boullion beat him up, lol)
MacIntyre
O'Brien (D)
Voros
Boulton
Bradley
Sutherby
Segal


Not really a great selection. You would want a guy that is a willing fighter but also a guy that won't look lost for the 4-5mins he would end up playing.

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