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08-07-2011, 05:34 PM
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You're high if you don't think it would cost Staal++ for Parise. Staal has NJ Devils written all over him.

But, I want Parise on Crosby's wing in the absolute worst way.

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08-07-2011, 05:39 PM
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I think the question with Kennedy is simply is he starting to pick corners or did some pucks he flings to the net find their way to the right place instead of over the net or into the goalie's chest? I honestly don't know the answer. I'll be interested to see this season.
This is pretty much where I'm at. I hope he was sniping, but it would be a relatively new development for him.

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Soooo we're talking up dustin jeffrey's production and not willing to give tk the credit he deserves?

Look at DJ's goals this past season. Lotta puck luck involved. Although I was impressed with his shootout goal against Lundqvist and his willingness to drive the net.
I have never talked up DJ. I don't expect him to play much until someone gets hurt. I just don't see who he's better than in our starting 12 forwards.
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Many of Tk's goals were straight snipes. A couple were weak admittedly, but he definitely made strides last year waiting that extra bit and picking his spot. Tk-Staal-Malkin could form a very effective unit.
This part is definitely true. Again, I'm not saying he can't snipe. I'm saying he hadn't shown it until possibly last year. That extra poise could be all he needed to be a top 6 scorer. I sure hope so

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08-07-2011, 05:39 PM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($6.000m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Steve Sullivan ($1.500m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Jordan Staal ($4.000m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Dustin Jeffrey ($0.575m) / Tyler Kennedy ($2.000m)
Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m) / Joe Vitale ($0.512m) / Craig Adams ($0.675m)
/ Arron Asham ($0.775m)

DEFENSEMEN
Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m)
Brooks Orpik ($3.750m) / Kristopher Letang ($3.500m)
Alexandre Picard ($0.600m) / Ben Lovejoy ($0.525m)
/ Deryk Engelland ($0.566m)

GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m) / Brent Johnson ($0.600m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,004,167; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $295,833

Trade Neal, Niskanen, Letestu and whatever else Jersey needs for Parise, plug in Vitale and Picard.... Still have tons of depth waiting in the AHL.

/wet dream
Wait for FA next year.

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08-07-2011, 05:47 PM
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Wait for FA next year.
This.

If there are hockey Gods, they would make Parise come here and give Sid the winger he deserves.

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08-07-2011, 06:06 PM
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You're high if you don't think it would cost Staal++ for Parise. Staal has NJ Devils written all over him.

But, I want Parise on Crosby's wing in the absolute worst way.
I'd seriously consider sacrificing a kidney for the cause

And there's no way Neal goes anywhere.


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08-07-2011, 06:11 PM
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You're high if you don't think it would cost Staal++ for Parise. Staal has NJ Devils written all over him.

But, I want Parise on Crosby's wing in the absolute worst way.
It didn't cost Staal++ for Hossa. Jus' sayin.

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08-07-2011, 06:11 PM
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It'd be tough to go up against Staal 6 times a year and possibly in a 1st round playoff matchup. But Parise is a 100 pt player on this team, no doubt about it. Staal gets his chance as a franchise center in NJ.

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08-07-2011, 07:13 PM
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He's a pretty good all around player. He's not bad at any of the things you mentioned, he's just not great at them. I would prefer us go with Staal as the 3C personally, but Letestu is certainly a capable 3rd line NHL center. The third line won't be asked to be the shutdown line with him on it, but it could put up some decent points while playing a solid puck possession game, especially if Staal being in the top 6 means TK is back on the third line.
Max Talbot is a 4th liner. Letestu is about half the player Max Talbot is so that's all there is to say really. He is nothing more than average at anything. Again he's not overly physical, he's not a great PK'er, he's only going to get 20 some points a year, and you aren't going to use him to shut down another teams top lines or in any kind of checking line role. He's good enough to be an NHL'er but not on a 3rd line on a cup contender. Anyone that thinks otherwise is still just holding onto his misleading first impression during the first few weeks of the season.

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08-07-2011, 07:39 PM
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Max Talbot is a 4th liner. Letestu is about half the player Max Talbot is so that's all there is to say really. He is nothing more than average at anything. Again he's not overly physical, he's not a great PK'er, he's only going to get 20 some points a year, and you aren't going to use him to shut down another teams top lines or in any kind of checking line role. He's good enough to be an NHL'er but not on a 3rd line on a cup contender. Anyone that thinks otherwise is still just holding onto his misleading first impression during the first few weeks of the season.

Letestu scored 27 points in his first 64 NHL games. Max Talbot has scored 28 in his last 127 games. 1 point less in half as many games. Talbot has never had a 27 point season. For less than half the cost, you lose some PKing and grit for twice as much offense and the 2nd best faceoff guy on the team. I'm not saying Letestu is the ideal 3rd line center, but he's certainly better fit for that role than Max Talbot. I think you may be holding onto his misleading final impression playing completely over his head with Kovy and Neal.


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Max Talbot is a 4th liner. Letestu is about half the player Max Talbot is so that's all there is to say really. He is nothing more than average at anything. Again he's not overly physical, he's not a great PK'er, he's only going to get 20 some points a year, and you aren't going to use him to shut down another teams top lines or in any kind of checking line role. He's good enough to be an NHL'er but not on a 3rd line on a cup contender. Anyone that thinks otherwise is still just holding onto his misleading first impression during the first few weeks of the season.
Max talbot is half the player mark letestu is. He's physically weak, terrible at f/o's, has no hands whatsoever, he's never going to hit 30 pts, etc. etc.

So much fail in your post. Staal will be given the shutdown duties no matter where he plays. Letestu centered our most effective line last fall next to Sid's. I don't get how everyone is so ready to put a ceiling on his potential. Wait a year, he's got two left on his contract, bud.

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08-07-2011, 08:20 PM
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It didn't cost Staal++ for Hossa. Jus' sayin.
Hossa was an UFA, Parise is an RFA after this season.

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08-07-2011, 08:24 PM
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Hossa was an UFA, Parise is an RFA after this season.
I don't think he is...

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08-07-2011, 08:26 PM
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Yeah, I think Parise is a UFA after this season.

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08-07-2011, 08:27 PM
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I was certain his 1yr deal kept him at RFA...

Hmm, guess not. My mistake.

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08-07-2011, 08:28 PM
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Indeed he is. Which is why if I was a Devil's fan, I wouldn't be too pissed if he was traded. At least you get something for him.

Capgeek has him as a ufa after his contract.

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08-07-2011, 08:32 PM
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Indeed he is. Which is why if I was a Devil's fan, I wouldn't be too pissed if he was traded. At least you get something for him.

Capgeek has him as a ufa after his contract.
It is odd how star UFA's to-be are traded for seemingly little return. Nobody we gave up in the Hossa trade is playing for Winnipeg and I don't even think anyone from the Kovalchuk trade is with them either. (edit: except Cormier).


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08-07-2011, 08:52 PM
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I think it would be most effective as

Staal - Malkin - TK

Staal can take defensive zone faceoffs if need be.

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08-07-2011, 09:14 PM
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I think it would be most effective as

Staal - Malkin - TK

Staal can take defensive zone faceoffs if need be.
I'd try Sullivan before TK on that line.

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08-07-2011, 09:35 PM
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I'd try Sullivan before TK on that line.
I'd think Sullivan ought to be ticketed for Crosby's line (until SS breaks down).

Crosby does well with smaller wingers that can show some puck skills (Recchi, Hilbert) and Sullivan does have some nice hands. I think that would work well, Sullivan has a little bit of speed and thinks the game very well, good at finding open space and unafraid to drive the net...All of that seems like it would vogue better with Sid's game.

Kunitz and Sullivan w/ Crosby.
Neal and someone w/ Malkin (maybe Tangradi can re-gain his mojo?)
Cooke, Staal, Kennedy, beast 3rd line
Dupuis, Letestu, Adams, Asham to round it out

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08-08-2011, 02:28 AM
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Hey hey guys, back to Staal for Parise talk!

It would be absolute wet dream and I agree that Staal has NJ Devils written all over him, like Coach John McGuirk said.

Staal eats $4M cap, Parise most likely $6-7M after this season, depends what his long contract would be like. And if we can re-sign Kunitz with pay cut and he could play RW, then we would have perfect 1st line! Parise - Crosby - Kunitz, pure sex.



It's written in the stars! P.s. Please don't kill kittens after this little "photoshop".

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08-08-2011, 05:29 AM
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I kinda don't see Devils trading Parise to division rival team ... but I would kill to have Zach on this team

Staal for Parise would be nice start but Shero would hang up the phone immediately if it's for a rental Parise.. if Parise is traded at the deadline it would be Kovalchuk-like return or Hossa ..

Kovalchuk deal :

Kovalchuk(UFA), Salmela(Signed 1 more season, then UFA), 2nd RD 2010

for

Bergfors(RFA), Oduya(Signed for 2 more seasons), Cormier(ELC), 1st RD 2010

Hossa deal :

Hossa(UFA), Dupuis(UFA)

for

Armstrong(Signed for 1 more season then RFA), Christensen(Signed for 1 more season, then RFA), Esposito(ELC), 1st RD 2008

So, what about :

Kunitz(UFA)
Niskanen(RFA)/Lovejoy(Signed for 1 more season, then RFA)
Tangradi(RFA)
1st rounder 2012 (maybe add some conditional draft pick if Parise re-signs)

for

Parise (UFA)
Any player (like Salmela in Kovalchuk trade or Dupuis in Hossa trade)

Would Lamoriello even consider it if he knows Parise won't sign with Devs ???

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I think what would drive Parise's value up is that I believe more teams would be contending for his services because of the kind of guy he is. A team could trade for him and build a team around him. I don't think you can do that with Hossa or Kovalchuk.

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Hopefully any Staal trade would involve a WC team. I really don't want to see him on an EC team, being assigned against our top players.

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If Parise is the piece coming back, you take that 11/10 times.

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Hopefully any Staal trade would involve a WC team. I really don't want to see him on an EC team, being assigned against our top players.
Anyone know which website uses the JerseyDatabase.com jerseys to do line combination updates?

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