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07-01-2011, 06:25 PM
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Wow, this thread. . . amazing how the people who seem to know least about something are often so convinced that they're right and everyone else is wrong.

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07-01-2011, 06:25 PM
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Why you help them ?
People that claim to be right without actually knowing will never learn if you just hand them the answer.

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Mac was pretty good about halfway through the season, but then faded when we needed him to step up and continue scoring goals.

This is why Buffalo, and other teams let him walk. To commit to a kind of payout like that, you need him to keep producing. Burke is smitten on it, because, let's face it, he's really not a 2nd line player, and maybe not the right 3rd line guy either.

Doesn't mean he didn't mesh with with Kulie and Grabs, but riding shotgun with those guys would be pretty nice too for most.

Can you really give him that job over Kadri?

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Wow, this thread. . . amazing how the people who seem to know least about something are often so convinced that they're right and everyone else is wrong.
I don't think I've ever seen it as bad as today. Not sure why that is.

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07-01-2011, 06:32 PM
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Can you really give him that job over Kadri?
It is his job to lose. ..
Kadri has done nothing to take that job.

Plus Kadri is our #1 center. ...

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07-01-2011, 06:34 PM
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Sounds good to me. I dare a team to offersheet him for 4.5m, I'm not sure what the compensation is but it's at least a 1st and 3rd; probably more. Let kadri take his role, and Frattin take Kadris spot on the third line.

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07-01-2011, 06:46 PM
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Sounds good to me. I dare a team to offersheet him for 4.5m, I'm not sure what the compensation is but it's at least a 1st and 3rd; probably more. Let kadri take his role, and Frattin take Kadris spot on the third line.
Don't think you can offer sheet a player who's headed to arbitration. Also, didn't Toronto qualifiy him? Don't think you can offer sheet a qulified player either.

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07-01-2011, 06:49 PM
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Honestly are you saying you would rather have Leino at 4.5 than Kessel at 5.4?
no I'm not I'm just pointing out that when you compare the 2 players 900k less for 11 less points is pretty reasonable no? I mean based on last year performance there both getting paid roughly $84,000 a point. Kessel = $84,375 Leino = $84,906

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Ur missing the point that kessel is 4 years younger than leino and has scored more goals last season than leino did in his whole career and matched it two seasons prior.

I forgot kessel almost has double the amount of goals in his career than leino has points in his.
I'm not missing any point. Kessel has the 34th largest cap hit among forwards he finished 36th in offensive production overall(previous best was 59th) which shows he's being paid right where he should be, I'm just pointing out that Kessel gets paid roughly the same amount per point as leino does now based on last season. so I fail to see the rational that it makes Kessel deal a bargain until kessel proves he's on another level and gets into the 70-80 point range and assuming Leino doesn't improve.

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Mac was pretty good about halfway through the season, but then faded when we needed him to step up and continue scoring goals.

This is why Buffalo, and other teams let him walk. To commit to a kind of payout like that, you need him to keep producing. Burke is smitten on it, because, let's face it, he's really not a 2nd line player, and maybe not the right 3rd line guy either.

Doesn't mean he didn't mesh with with Kulie and Grabs, but riding shotgun with those guys would be pretty nice too for most.

Can you really give him that job over Kadri?
How can you be sure it wasn't Mac that helped Kule and Grabs to career years as well.

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07-01-2011, 07:08 PM
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How can you be sure it wasn't Mac that helped Kule and Grabs to career years as well.
When he was moved off the line, his production really fell, but theirs didn't.

Kulimen carries whatever line he's on. That's why the Kulemin-Bozek-Kessel line was good two years ago, and that's why the Kulemin-Grabovski-MacArthur line was good last year.

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Don't think you can offer sheet a player who's headed to arbitration. Also, didn't Toronto qualifiy him? Don't think you can offer sheet a qulified player either.
You can offer sheet a player who's been qualified, after all, if you don't qualify them they become UFA's, it's the qualifying offer that makes them RFA's in the first place. But no, you can't offer sheet a player that is already scheduled for arbitration.

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He can't get that money he's a RFA, If he was a UFA might as well be playing the apprentice theme song.

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Well you just made quite a few people look silly.

Some of the stuff that has been posted today has been absolutely hilarious. They're making the Maple Leafs official messageboard look good.
Hey, here to help. Fortunately I missed most of the day out with the family, I'm sure it was good stuff though. Make for some good late night reading later tonight.

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Wow, this thread. . . amazing how the people who seem to know least about something are often so convinced that they're right and everyone else is wrong.
sad to say example of why sometimes our fanbase looks foolish, if you don't know the case atleast owning up makes sense.

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Hey, here to help. Fortunately I missed most of the day out with the family, I'm sure it was good stuff though. Make for some good late night reading later tonight.
lol im about to head out now with pals, but glad you enjoyed your time pal

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When he was moved off the line, his production really fell, but theirs didn't.

Kulimen carries whatever line he's on. That's why the Kulemin-Bozek-Kessel line was good two years ago, and that's why the Kulemin-Grabovski-MacArthur line was good last year.
Not the way I remember it, when he was takenb off their line all 3 players tanked

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When he was moved off the line, his production really fell, but theirs didn't.

Kulimen carries whatever line he's on. That's why the Kulemin-Bozek-Kessel line was good two years ago, and that's why the Kulemin-Grabovski-MacArthur line was good last year.
Not the way I remember it, when he was taken off their line, all 3 players tanked.

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He can't get that money he's a RFA, If he was a UFA might as well be playing the apprentice theme song.
He can get that money.

Have you looked at the list of players who scored the same amount as MacArthur (62 points)?

Milan Lucic, David Backes, Patrik Elias, Martin Havlat, Mikko Koivu, David Kreijci, and Ryan Clowe.

Ilya Kovalchuk and Shane Doan scored 60 points.

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People need to start admitting when they are wrong.

It's not a big deal, happens to everyone one in awhile

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People need to start admitting when they are wrong.
I didn't know that UFA contracts were not allowed to be used in arbitration.

That doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of eligible contracts that give MacArthur a contract in the 4+ million range.

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Not the way I remember it, when he was takenb off their line all 3 players tanked
It really didn't
Also, Grabovski: +14. Kulemin: +7. MacArthur: -3

+/- doesn't hold much weight, but when it is compared between players that play together, it can be quite useful to determine the weak link.

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07-01-2011, 07:30 PM
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4.5 mil per season for Leino
4.5 mil per season for Fleischmann
4.5 mil per season for Cole


MacArthur's 62 points this past season is more than ANY of those players have EVER posted in a single season.
Mac is not a UFA. Big difference.

All UFA's get overpaid.

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It really didn't
Also, Grabovski: +14. Kulemin: +7. MacArthur: -3

+/- doesn't hold much weight, but when it is compared between players that play together, it can be quite useful to determine the weak link.
If your a Leaf fan and actually watched the games you don't even need stats to know that it's Grabo and Kulemin that make that line work. Mac just complimented them well.

Any way IMO the Leafs are purposely letting this go to arb. to get that 1 year deal because both Kadri and Frattin have a significant upside over him both in talent and filling a specific need in the type of players they are because of that the Leafs just want to buy 1 year of time and let the course of 1 or both pass him on the depth chart where Mac will be traded at the deadline if and when that happens.

If they don't during the course of the year the Leafs will have a much clearer picture if Mac is a 1 year wonder and is worth giving term to. My money is on Kadri and Frattin over taking him on the depth chart.

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Yeah, 4.5 mill it is

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Newsflash, he isn't UFA. Look at Jussi Jokinen for reference.
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look for mac to be a 3 over 3 guy

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