Braves are now gonna have back-to-back NL mvp's. FACT, dawg.
Atlanta has racked up all the major awards the last 2 years playa. MVP to Heyward last year. ROTY to Heyward last year. Comeback player of the year last year to Glaus. World Series MVP to Heyward last year. Now Jurgeinsnsns will be Cy Young and keep the NL MVP in house.
that's just a retarded thing to say. most wins and best era in the nl. and if he hadn't missed the first 2 weeks of the season he would probably have at least one more win. take off your philly homer glasses and admit it's possible that there are better pitchers than the ones on your team.
Oh, look, he thinks ERA and Wins are good stats. How cute.
The Phillies have 3 pitchers that have been better than Jurrjens.
the pitcher's job is to not let the other team score, right? so why is the average number of runs the pitcher let's the other team score a bad stat? can you please tell me that.
nobody in particular, but generally pitchers that rely on power give up a lot more home runs than pitchers that pitch for contact. this obsession people have where they think you have to throw 95+ to be a good pitcher is just ridiculous.
nobody in particular, but generally pitchers that rely on power give up a lot more home runs than pitchers that pitch for contact. this obsession people have where they think you have to throw 95+ to be a good pitcher is just ridiculous.
yeah but Halladay is having just as good of a year as him and he doesnt shouldnt even garner any MVP votes.
yeah but Halladay is having just as good of a year as him and he doesnt shouldnt even garner any MVP votes.
i don't believe for a second any pitcher should win the mvp. i just think jurrjens is in contention for the cy young if the season ended today. of course anything can happen in the 2nd half.
the phillies have a better starting rotation than the braves, and anyone that tells you otherwise is insane. i personally think jurrjens and hanson are just as dominant as the phillies' big three, but there's only two of them, and hudson and lowe are on the decline and beachy, while good for a rookie, is a rookie and thus inconsistent.
that said you'll have a hard time convincing me the braves don't have the 2nd best rotation in the nl. after all neither team's offense is setting the world on fire and both have had a lot of games lost to key players, yet they have the 1st and 3rd best records in baseball. you don't do that without tremendous pitching.
the pitcher's job is to not let the other team score, right? so why is the average number of runs the pitcher let's the other team score a bad stat? can you please tell me that.
It isn't hard to understand, but I'll explain anyway.
Wins and ERA are bad stats for individual players because they take into account elements beyond the control of the pitcher. Three of the major components that contribute to ERA are park factors, team defense, and luck. A stat that relies heavily on the entire team is not a good metric to judge individual players. You wouldn't use total goals allowed to judge a goalie (unless you're an idiot), so why would you use ERA to judge a pitcher? It's the same thing. ERA would only be a "good" stat if the pitcher was the only factor in run prevention. He isn't, not by a longshot.
Stats like FIP, xFIP, tRA, and SIERA do not include things beyond the control of the pitcher, thus they paint a significantly more accurate picture. Defense independent pitching stats have been statistcally proven, multiple times, to be better indicators of future performance than ERA.
Jurrjens has had an excellent season thus far, but if you examine the most accurate, advanced metrics, you will see that the Phillies' big three has clearly been better.
It isn't hard to understand, but I'll explain anyway.
Wins and ERA are bad stats for individual players because they take into account elements beyond the control of the pitcher. Three of the major components that contribute to ERA are park factors, team defense, and luck. A stat that relies heavily on the entire team is not a good metric to judge individual players. You wouldn't use total goals allowed to judge a goalie (unless you're an idiot), so why would you use ERA to judge a pitcher? It's the same thing. ERA would only be a "good" stat if the pitcher was the only factor in run prevention. He isn't, not by a longshot.
Stats like FIP, xFIP, tRA, and SIERA do not include things beyond the control of the pitcher, thus they paint a significantly more accurate picture. Defense independent pitching stats have been statistcally proven, multiple times, to be better indicators of future performance than ERA.
Jurrjens has had an excellent season thus far, but if you examine the most accurate, advanced metrics, you will see that the Phillies' big three has clearly been better.
I've been trying to wean myself off ERA but I'm addicted. Even though Sabremetrics have taken over baseball, ESPN and MLB.com, as well as team broadcasts, continue to evaluate pitchers using wins and ERA.
