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07-08-2011, 04:16 PM
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If we put Dubi on the top line, Anisimov is going to have to work hard on getting better at taking FOs.

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Patrick Sharp next offseason?

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Patrick Sharp next offseason?
there should hopefully be a couple options at the deadline/next summer if we wait...but that doesn't help us now obviously. and after dumping campbell's contract i wouldn't be surprised if the hawks sign sharp and he never becomes available which is the risk of waiting.

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If we put Dubi on the top line, Anisimov is going to have to work hard on getting better at taking FOs.
hopefully he is working on that regardless...faceoffs are a major concern for our centers and probably our biggest problem in that area. richards was over 50% last year but not a specialist. boyle, anisimov and stepan are below 50% with the last 2 borderline terrible. dubinsky is probably our go to face off guy at the moment.

thats why some of us were interested in signing konopka despite not needing another 4th liner...and why i'm excited about lindberg who is a beast on draws in sweden...

boyle was 48.5% last year, so my hope is that he is able to improve slightly and get over that 50% hump...if he does that and then you have richards, dubinsky and boyle above 50% than we'd be respectable on faceoffs even without a go to specialist...stepan and anisimov need to get better so any improvements shown will be good signs.

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If we put Dubi on the top line, Anisimov is going to have to work hard on getting better at taking FOs.
Or Stepan.

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Or Stepan.
Well, both, really. I just mentioned Anisimov because Dubi takes draws for him, but Stepan is pretty bad in them, too.

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It's just bizarre to me that most have Anisimov penciled in as 2c and Stepan as 3c. Stepan looked great with Cally/Dubi when they played together. I think 2c is far from guaranteed or even his spot to lose for Anisimov.

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Why don't we just trade for oveckin? he's a LW right? :p

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07-09-2011, 10:00 PM
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07-09-2011, 10:14 PM
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Nah. I suggested Stepan on the wing with Gabby and Richards and I was told by two posters that Stepan sucks at wing and will never play wing because he simply is not a winger. They then told me that this fact was based on the fact that Stepan played less than 5 games at wing last season. I guess that cements it.

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Nah. I suggested Stepan on the wing with Gabby and Richards and I was told by two posters that Stepan sucks at wing and will never play wing because he simply is not a winger. They then told me that this fact was based on the fact that Stepan played less than 5 games at wing last season. I guess that cements it.
I wouldn't mind seeing him on wing for a year/until the Rangers can find a real upgrade. I'd actually like to see Stepan and Anisimov feed off each other and break out together playing on the same line.

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07-09-2011, 10:24 PM
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regarding the f.o. discussion avery's really good at faceoffs, I don't know his exact percentage but I'd be willing to bet it's close to at least 60-65%. Put him on the 3rd line and let him take face-offs in important situations in place of step

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07-09-2011, 10:29 PM
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Stop putting Stepan at wing. Argh, it makes no sense, and it doesn't allow him to utilize his strong points to their full advantage.

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07-09-2011, 10:29 PM
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I wouldn't mind seeing him on wing for a year/until the Rangers can find a real upgrade. I'd actually like to see Stepan and Anisimov feed off each other and break out together playing on the same line.
Yea, I mean ideally I think Stepan is a center, but you don't always have your 4 best centers playing on lines 1-4. Sometimes two centers find chemistry together with one of them playing the wing. Stepan is such a heady player that I don't think he'd be any less effective on the wing, and he may explode playing with Richards and Gaborik. He, like Richards, can hold onto the puck and wait for the right seam to open up, which would allow Gabby to do nothing but get open. Dubinsky is better at holding onto the puck, but I don't know if he's better than Stepan at actually moving it at the right time. I'd be happy with either of them playing the top line LW. I think it really depends on how the borderline guys like Avery, Wolski, Fedotenko, Boyle play. If they all exceed expectations (unlikely for all of them to do so in the same year), then it doesn't really matter where we slot guys in. But if Wolski is blowing chunks, and Avery's playing like a man possessed, maybe Avery steals a top-6 spot.

I wouldn't mind any of the following:

Stepan Richards Gaborik
Dubinsky Anisimov Callahan
Wolski Boyle Zuccarello
Avery Rupp Prust

Dubinsky Richards Gaborik
Stepan Anisimov Callahan
Wolski Boyle Zuccarello
Avery Rupp Prust

Dubinsky Richards Gaborik
Avery Stepan Fedotenko
Wolski Anisimov Callahan
Rupp Boyle Prust

Avery Richards Gaborik
Dubinsky Stepan Callahan
Fedotenko Anisimov Zuccarello
Rupp Boyle Prust

Zuccarello Richards Gaborik
Dubinsky Stepan Callahan
Avery Anisimov Fedotenko
Rupp Boyle Prust

Callahan Richards Gaborik
Dubinsky Stepan Fedotenko
Avery Anisimov Wolski
Rupp Boyle Prust

Dubinsky Richards Gaborik
Fedotenko Stepan Callahan
Boyle Anisimov Zuccarello
Avery Rupp Prust

As you can see, I think Wolski or Zuccarello will be the odd man out, and I'm putting my money on it being Wolski sitting or being traded. With that said, I think we're in pretty good shape, if we stay healthy, of course.

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07-09-2011, 10:37 PM
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Stop putting Stepan at wing. Argh, it makes no sense, and it doesn't allow him to utilize his strong points to their full advantage.
Stop with your nonsense. How does it "make no sense?" His game isn't going to drastically change as a winger. He's a smart enough player that he'd be effective at any position. I do think ideally he's a center, but that doesn't mean he's best suited to play center with any roster. He may explode playing with Richards and Gaborik. Can you really argue against that statement? Stop acting like Stepan has been legitimately tried at wing and completely failed. You said yourself in another thread that he's played less than 5 NHL games at wing. How does that prove anything one way or another? It doesn't. Which means, it may be worth a look, depending on how the borderline guys play (Avery, Wolski, Fedotenko, Zuccarello). Stop with the arrogant, baseless statements, please. We get it. You want Stepan to play center. He probably will. That doesn't mean we can't discuss the legitimate option of him playing wing on this team.

For example, if Stepan were on Pittsburgh, would he play center? Well he's not playing over Crosby, or Malkin, or Staal. Soooo, is Stepan going to be the 4th line center? No, he'd play wing and he'd put up great numbers. I'm not saying we have that kind of depth, but you never know how things shake out. It's not always the dream lineup on paper that ends up working out. Very often, two centers find chemistry with one of them playing wing and you keep them together. We have the ability to roll Richards-Anisimov-Boyle-Rupp as our 1-4. This allows Stepan to play with better players in the top 6, whether it's Richards and Gaborik or Anisimov and Callahan. It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility so stop dismissing it as such.

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07-09-2011, 10:47 PM
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regarding the f.o. discussion avery's really good at faceoffs, I don't know his exact percentage but I'd be willing to bet it's close to at least 60-65%. Put him on the 3rd line and let him take face-offs in important situations in place of step
avery was 62.5% of faceoffs last year, BUT he only took 24 draws last year so its not a big enough sample size to say how good he is. the year before he was 28.6% on 14 draws, year before that

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He doesn't need to play wing.

The center depth is currently: Richards, Anisimov, Stepan, Boyle.

Who's centering the third line if Stepan is playing LW? Why are we putting a playmaking centerman on his offwing in the first place? He isn't a goal scorer, it's not his game. His shot is fairly weak, his goal scoring games comes from his excellent anticipation. How many goals did Stepan score this season from regular wrist shots? 2 or 3? Most of them were because he was in the right place at the right time. His game is playmaking, and he is much better suited to do that at the center position, or at least on RW, where he's to the outside of the icel, and can portray his options more efficiently. And, the team doesn't need him to play RW, so he'll stay at center.

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i don't like the idea of stepan on wing either, but if my options are putting him on wing or him getting 4th line minutes with avery and mza cause torts trust boyle's line better. then i'm putting him on wing so he gets his icetime...

it would be just a temporary thing and when we get more winger depth when kreider, thomas, etc turn pro he gets shifted back.

one thing i don't know about moving him to wing is that he won't take any draws...some will say 'so what he sucks on faceoffs' but thats why he needs practice LOL.

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07-09-2011, 10:55 PM
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He doesn't need to play wing.

The center depth is currently: Richards, Anisimov, Stepan, Boyle.

Who's centering the third line if Stepan is playing LW? Why are we putting a playmaking centerman on his offwing in the first place? He isn't a goal scorer, it's not his game. His shot is fairly weak, his goal scoring games comes from his excellent anticipation. How many goals did Stepan score this season from regular wrist shots? 2 or 3? Most of them were because he was in the right place at the right time. His game is playmaking, and he is much better suited to do that at the center position, or at least on RW, where he's to the outside of the icel, and can portray his options more efficiently. And, the team doesn't need him to play RW, so he'll stay at center.
That's YOUR OPINION. Except you keep parading it around as fact. As if Tortorella held a press conference and said all this. I told you who could play center if Stepan is a winger. Brian Boyle, the guy who scored 20 goals as a 4th liner last year. In MY opinion, Anisimov and Boyle are the two best options for THIRD line center. Not Stepan. He should be in the top 6, regardless of his position. He should either be centering the 2nd line or playing first line LW with Richards and Gaborik. There's also the off chance he plays LW on the 2nd line with Anisimov and Cally, while Dubi-Richards-Gaborik make up the first line. This would mean Boyle at 3rd line C, and Rupp at 4th line C. This is nothing outrageous. This is all within the realm of possibility. Stepan's great brain for the game, and great vision and patience don't disappear if he slides over to the left-wing. THOSE are his strengths. I don't know what strengths you speak of when you say his strengths only work at center.

And for a non-goal-scoring center, he scored 21 goals as a rookie without playing with anything resembling a playmaker. Those numbers vastly outscore Anisimov's rookie year and still outscore his SECOND year, all while Anisimov got more ice-time with better players last season. So this notion that Anisimov is 2nd on the depth chart at center is quite laughable. Nothing is set it stone, but I'd say it's pretty safe to say Stepan has a better chance of playing 2nd line C than Anisimov does. Anisimov's game is also better suited to play that 3rd line checking / shutdown role. Not that he can't produce offensively, but his game is defense-first, and then offense, whereas Stepan's game is all about creating in the offensive zone, while still being defensively responsible. If Stepan scored 21 goals as a rookie, I don't think it's an outrageous idea to think he could score 25-30 or more playing with Richards and Gaborik. As could Dubinsky. It all comes down to chemistry. If Stepan shows that he clicks with Richards and Gaborik, he's going to stay there, whether or not you like him at center. We have the luxury of moving players around and wherever "lightning in a bottle" (chemistry) is found, is likely where that player will stay.


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That's YOUR OPINION. Except you keep parading it around as fact. As if Tortorella held a press conference and said all this. I told you who could play center if Stepan is a winger. Brian Boyle, the guy who scored 20 goals as a 4th liner last year. In MY opinion, Anisimov and Boyle are the two best options for THIRD line center. Not Stepan. He should be in the top 6, regardless of his position. He should either be centering the 2nd line or playing first line LW with Richards and Gaborik. There's also the off chance he plays LW on the 2nd line with Anisimov and Cally, while Dubi-Richards-Gaborik make up the first line. This would mean Boyle at 3rd line C, and Rupp at 4th line C. This is nothing outrageous. This is all within the realm of possibility. Stepan's great brain for the game, and great vision and patience don't disappear if he slides over to the left-wing. THOSE are his strengths. I don't know what strengths you speak of when you say his strengths only work at center.
Stepan doesn't work at LW because he's on his offwing, and it doesn't compliment his game in any way, shape, or form. Don't really get what's so difficult to understand about it.

As for Boyle...I obviously like him, but Stepan is better suited to get those minutes at his natural position instead of tossing him wherever to give Boyle more minutes.

Hell, instead of putting Stepan on the 1st line LW, put Boyle there. Problem solved:

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I'd put Boyle on the wing before I'd ever put Step on the wing. Putting Step on the wing kind of wastes the high hockey IQ the kid has. He put up 40+ points in his rookie season playing 35 more games than he's used to. I'm going to say he puts up 60 points this year, I know I'm probably one of the few (if any) who thinks that. In my opinion, it's best for this team and for himself to be at center. Yes, the kid needs to improve faceoffs, but coming from college to the NHL it's a lot to expect the kid to do well his first year at the dot.

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Stepan doesn't work at LW because he's on his offwing, and it doesn't compliment his game in any way, shape, or form. Don't really get what's so difficult to understand about it.

As for Boyle...I obviously like him, but Stepan is better suited to get those minutes at his natural position instead of tossing him wherever to give Boyle more minutes.

Hell, instead of putting Stepan on the 1st line LW, put Boyle there. Problem solved:

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That's interesting.

In theory it could work. But Boyle's problem is maintaining consistency.

And he's good on faceoffs from what I recall.

Fedotenko - Richards - Gaborik
Dubinsky - Anisimov - Callahan
Hagelin - Stepan - Wolski
Rupp - Boyle - Prust

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Erixon - Del Zotto

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I'd put Boyle on the wing before I'd ever put Step on the wing. Putting Step on the wing kind of wastes the high hockey IQ the kid has. He put up 40+ points in his rookie season playing 35 more games than he's used to. I'm going to say he puts up 60 points this year, I know I'm probably one of the few (if any) who thinks that. In my opinion, it's best for this team and for himself to be at center. Yes, the kid needs to improve faceoffs, but coming from college to the NHL it's a lot to expect the kid to do well his first year at the dot.
I believe he's capable of 60.

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