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Forsberg or Neely?

View Poll Results: Neely or Forsberg?
Neely 17 15.74%
Forsberg 91 84.26%
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07-02-2011, 02:35 PM
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Forsberg or Neely?

Both guys who would have been first ballot locks for the HHOF if not for injuries. Neely is in, but there are always discussions about his worthiness. Same thing for Forsberg, who I assume will get in as well.

Which one do you choose to build around if injuries are not a factor? (haven't seen Forsberg in a poll in at least one day so I think it's time )

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07-02-2011, 04:50 PM
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Forsberg. No Hesitation.

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Forsberg. And it is not close.

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build around Cam Neely all day everyday.

Better offensive player, hit like a freight train and wouldn't hesitate to drop the gloves and knock you out.

Cam Neely is the reason the term power forward is used in the NHL. It was a term coined to describe Cam.

Neely had 3 50 goal seasons including scoring 50 goals in 50 games. Forsberg has a career high of 30 goals in a season and only twice reached the 30 goal mark.

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07-02-2011, 05:55 PM
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build around Cam Neely all day everyday.

Better offensive player, hit like a freight train and wouldn't hesitate to drop the gloves and knock you out.

Cam Neely is the reason the term power forward is used in the NHL. It was a term coined to describe Cam.

Neely had 3 50 goal seasons including scoring 50 goals in 50 games. Forsberg has a career high of 30 goals in a season and only twice reached the 30 goal mark.
How many 100 point seasons does he have? How Many top 10 scoring finishes does he have? How many Harts? How many Art Ross Trophies? Forsberg is clearley the better player. Cam neely is one of the most overrated hall of famers.

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07-02-2011, 06:04 PM
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build around Cam Neely all day everyday.

Better offensive player, hit like a freight train and wouldn't hesitate to drop the gloves and knock you out.

[B]Cam Neely is the reason the term power forward is used in the NHL. It was a term coined to describe Cam.[B/]

Neely had 3 50 goal seasons including scoring 50 goals in 50 games. Forsberg has a career high of 30 goals in a season and only twice reached the 30 goal mark.
Gordie Howe says hi, this Neely invented the power forward thing is way overused. Neely was a very good goal scorer but I'll take Forsberg and his all around 2 way game and intensity 8 days a week.

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Forsberg. And it is not close.

I agree it's not very close, the only advantage Neely had was goal scoring and even here if Forsberg chose to score more goals I'm pretty sure he could have done so.

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Forsberg AINEC.

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Forsberg is the most overrated player ever and he was an embarrassment to hockey, but he was the better player.

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07-02-2011, 06:57 PM
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I'd prolly take Neely, I just think he produced more goals with less around him then Forsberg. Forsberg was always on the stacked Avs teams for most of his best seasons

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I'd prolly take Neely, I just think he produced more goals with less around him then Forsberg. Forsberg was always on the stacked Avs teams for most of his best seasons
I'm sure Ray Bourque and Janney/Oates helped Neely a little bit...

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Well this thread certainly proves that the last idiot is still yet to be born.

With all due respect to Cam Neely, you would have to be all kinds of crazy to rate him higher than Forsberg. It's not even close.

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Well this thread certainly proves that the last idiot is still yet to be born.

With all due respect to Cam Neely, you would have to be all kinds of crazy to rate him higher than Forsberg. It's not even close.
Yup.

And I really like Cam Neely and firmly believe Forsberg is the most overrated player on hfboards.

And still.. yup.

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Only seen highlights of Neely, but still probably Forsberg.

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Two of the more overrated players on these boards.

That being said, at his peak Forsberg was at minimum a top 5 player in the game.

At his best, Neely was in the 8-15 range.

Also would always take the dominant center over the winger.

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I'm sure Ray Bourque and Janney/Oates helped Neely a little bit...
From 83-84 to 93-94, Bourque and Neely had 13 first or second team all-star selections....no other Bruins selected. Despite having some quality teammates, the overall depth wasn't good enough to make other teams worry.

This is how they were played, especially in the playoffs. Run Bourque before he could get going in transition and double team and/or **** off Neely so he spend as much time in the penalty box.... the depth couldn't produce consistently enough.

The three years they got close, Neely scored 37 goals in 63 games, but he also had 138 PIMs....and he was trying real hard to be restrained most of the time.

Bourque had been injured during the 90 series and missed a few games. In the 91 series he was a -4. In fact, while many people think the +/- stat is dubious at best, Bourque was a +528 for his regular season career total and only a +5 (more or less, since the stat had only started recording in the playoffs in 84) in his playoff career.

The tactics work for the most part. They could only do so much. There just wasn't enough depth to pick up the slack.

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neely's most assist in a season was 40

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I think Forsberg is overrated, but it's Forsberg and it's not even close.

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Just curious.. Those choosing Forsberg as better than Neely. Have you actually SEEN Neely play? Neely always played a hard game...he hit as hard as he scored. He didn't need protection. Wonderful to watch. Forsberg is good too...but their styles are very different.

I'd be happy with either..but a healthy Neely is better than a healthy Forsberg.

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Forsberg, very easily. At his very best, he was the best player in the World. Neely doesn't even sniff that.

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Two of the more overrated players on these boards.

That being said, at his peak Forsberg was at minimum a top 5 player in the game.At his best, Neely was in the 8-15 range.

Also would always take the dominant center over the winger.
Forsberg was at minimum a top 5 player in the game, any given year of his career, especially when healthy. At his peak he was the best player in the league. Still don't understand how people think Forsberg is the most overrated player ever, when some people still think Neely was better, and lots of posters only think he was, just a top 5 player in the game at his peak.

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Forsberg easily.

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Neely was never the best player in the game at any point of his career. Foppa beats him by a country mile in this one, IMHO

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Forsberg is the most overrated player ever and he was an embarrassment to hockey, but he was the better player.
I can only assume you are talking about Forsberg's rep as a diver, but that's no reason to call him an embarrassment to hockey. He was a fantastic player and a genuinely good dude.

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I can only assume you are talking about Forsberg's rep as a diver, but that's no reason to call him an embarrassment to hockey. He was a fantastic player and a genuinely good dude.
I'll help him. Not an embarassment but disrespectful towards the game at times.

That being said, I'm a B's fan and I say Forsberg. We can talk all we want about Forsberg being on those Avs teams, but Neely had Oates. Oates is the most underrated player to be in the league in the past twenty years.

AND, I will say this and I might catch some flack, Oates was a better setup man than Sakic. Sakic was the better player, but Oates was the better passer

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