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09-17-2011, 11:41 PM
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Ortiz was just looking for a way out. The ref didn't give it to him after that headbutt so Mayweather did. Ortiz didn't seem to mind too much after the fight.

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09-17-2011, 11:42 PM
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I don't watch every fight but I know these things:

-Protect yourself at all times.

-If the referee didn't re-start the match, he wouldn't have been counting. He would have flipped **** on Mayweather instead.


This is a fight, not a prayer service. Why the hell is Ortiz kissing and hugging Mayweather - TWICE? It's a fight, but Ortiz is more worried about Floyd's feelings being hurt. Like WTF?
Never question the incompetence of Joe Cortez.

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Watched it about 30 times now, and the whole thing seems setup. How convenient is it that Joe Cortez is randomly looking the other way the entire time? This is great for everyone, especially HBO. Now that this replay and Mayweather's fight with Merchant will be plastered all over the place, they can build up more hate for Money. And more hate for Money equals more actual money for everyone when he fights Pacman. Boxing is a horribly corrupt and shameful sport.

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09-17-2011, 11:42 PM
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So just knock his punk ass out when he enters the ring. Protect yourself at all times.
The Ref lost control of the fight. He said BOX! too early. Once he says that, you can darned sure hit your opponent, regardless of if he's ready or not. Ortiz going for a hug and a kiss was beyond bizarre too, who the hell would do that in a title fight?

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09-17-2011, 11:43 PM
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RT @BizNasty2point0: By the sounds of it Ortiz put out more then my date. #FightNight #HugsAndKisses

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So just knock his punk ass out when he enters the ring. Protect yourself at all times.
Ok, well that leads to my next point, which you chose to not address, but goes right with that. If the fight wasn't re-started, why is the referee counting?

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Ortiz was just looking for a way out. The ref didn't give it to him after that headbutt so Mayweather did. Ortiz didn't seem to mind too much after the fight.
Riiiiiiiiiiight. That's why he was muscling Mayweather up against the ropes and trying to tee off on him. Clearly looking for a way out.

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The Ref lost control of the fight. He said BOX! too early. Once he says that, you can darned sure hit your opponent, regardless of if he's ready or not. Ortiz going for a hug and a kiss was beyond bizarre too, who the hell would do that in a title fight?
Ortiz is a ****ing weird dude.

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As someone who couldn't give a rat's ass about boxing, this is hysterical. The old man during the post-fight interview is icing on the cake.

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RT @BizNasty2point0: By the sounds of it Ortiz put out more then my date. #FightNight #HugsAndKisses



Ok, well that leads to my next point, which you chose to not address, but goes right with that. If the fight wasn't re-started, why is the referee counting?
How would I know? The ref was still talking to the time-keeper. Clearly the fight was not yet re-set.

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How would I know? The ref was still talking to the time-keeper. Clearly the fight was not yet re-set.
Again, Joe Cortez is an awful ref.

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09-17-2011, 11:47 PM
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Again, Joe Cortez is an awful ref.
Regardless, Ortiz needs to appeal the decision.

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Look, maybe Ortiz wasn't ready, and Mayweather definitely didn't need to do what he did to beat him. But the fact of the matter is if the fight wasn't restart it then why was it allowed and Mayweather not DQ'd or deducted?

The ref wasn't looking but I did hear a bell and they did touch gloves. It is protect yourself at all times.

Also in the post-fight interviews, Ortiz didn't seem upset, either he was A) Taking the high road, B) knew it was clean, or C) knew he was gonna lose regardless and just accepted it.

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09-17-2011, 11:48 PM
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Look, maybe Ortiz wasn't ready, and Mayweather definitely didn't need to do what he did to beat him. But the fact of the matter is if the fight wasn't restart it then why was it allowed and Mayweather not DQ'd or deducted?

The ref wasn't looking but I did hear a bell and they did touch gloves. It is protect yourself at all times.

Also in the post-fight interviews, Ortiz didn't seem upset, either he was A) Taking the high road, B) knew it was clean, or C) knew he was gonna lose regardless and just accepted it.
Ortiz was being straight up classy.

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RT @BizNasty2point0: By the sounds of it Ortiz put out more then my date. #FightNight #HugsAndKisses



Ok, well that leads to my next point, which you chose to not address, but goes right with that. If the fight wasn't re-started, why is the referee counting?
If the fight was truly started, as you suggest, why would the ref be looking outside the ring and not following the action?

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What a shame that a fight ends with some horse **** like that

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09-17-2011, 11:50 PM
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Look, maybe Ortiz wasn't ready, and Mayweather definitely didn't need to do what he did to beat him. But the fact of the matter is if the fight wasn't restart it then why was it allowed and Mayweather not DQ'd or deducted?

The ref wasn't looking but I did hear a bell and they did touch gloves. It is protect yourself at all times.

Also in the post-fight interviews, Ortiz didn't seem upset, either he was A) Taking the high road, B) knew it was clean, or C) knew he was gonna lose regardless and just accepted it.
Ortiz is just a weird guy I think. He acted the same way after he quit against Maidana, so I wonder if that's just how he acts when he gets upset/embarrassed.

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09-17-2011, 11:51 PM
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BTW, I will say this.

If there was ever a PERFECT TIME for Mayweather vs Pacman, It's right now.

The absolute PERFECT Hero vs Villain scenario.

The amount of money generated and PPV buys would be beyond anything we would ever see.

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09-17-2011, 11:52 PM
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They should have an online feed of this press conference. Should be interesting.

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09-17-2011, 11:53 PM
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I've been a hardcore boxing fan (and have done a very small amount of boxing) for years and I've never seen accidental headbutts, again unless they were the result of total carelessness or aggression, be penalized without controversy. Nor should they be, they're an unfortunate part of the sport.
Really? I'm mildly surprised because I have, but it's really hard to say, because everyone defines carelessness according to a different standard, ya know?

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How would I know? The ref was still talking to the time-keeper. Clearly the fight was not yet re-set.
Because he counted him out. You know the answer. He obviously wasn't clear, as it appears to the audience, and that's still poor officiating. All he's gotta do is say "box," no one should be waiting around to make sure the referee is watching if he's already told you to go. It was poor officiating, but no one else in sports waits around to make sure everyone is really really ready.


It was also the end of the round.


Regardless, the difference. Ortiz was going around hugging and kissing, while Mayweather was throwing and asking questions later. At the most extreme, it should be a no contest.

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BTW, I will say this.

If there was ever a PERFECT TIME for Mayweather vs Pacman, It's right now.

The absolute PERFECT Hero vs Villain scenario.

The amount of money generated and PPV buys would be beyond anything we would ever see.
Sorry that makes too much sense to ever happen in boxing

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Look, maybe Ortiz wasn't ready, and Mayweather definitely didn't need to do what he did to beat him. But the fact of the matter is if the fight wasn't restart it then why was it allowed and Mayweather not DQ'd or deducted?

The ref wasn't looking but I did hear a bell and they did touch gloves. It is protect yourself at all times.

Also in the post-fight interviews, Ortiz didn't seem upset, either he was A) Taking the high road, B) knew it was clean, or C) knew he was gonna lose regardless and just accepted it.
Can't answer everything else, but Ortiz doesn't exactly seem to have the same upset feelings most people do. Watching 24/7 he has plenty of chances to put blame on someone else or be angry and he's not. It's kinda weird, but the way he acted was basically the way he does act.

That said he was the huge underdog in this fight and he learned a lesson. He'll move on. As for Mayweather, this just puts more pressure on him to quit slacking off and fight Manny.

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How would I know? The ref was still talking to the time-keeper. Clearly the fight was not yet re-set.
Mayweather will make huge bucks for a rematch against Ortiz if he can't get Pacman to agree to his terms, so why not?

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BTW, I will say this.

If there was ever a PERFECT TIME for Mayweather vs Pacman, It's right now.

The absolute PERFECT Hero vs Villain scenario.

The amount of money generated and PPV buys would be beyond anything we would ever see.
I honestly don't think they'll ever fight. Mayweather pissed Pacquiao off with his drug-testing demands and I think both guys have too much pride to ever give in to the kinds of demands the other will insist on. It'll take them three years just to decide who walks to the ring first.

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Regardless, Ortiz needs to appeal the decision.
Dude, we get it you hate Mayweather, but take the blinders off. GKJ is right
#1 If Cortez didn't restart it why did he count out Ortiz and not flip on Mayweather
#2 Protect yourself at all times and
#3 Why this **** is Ortiz still trying to hug him, we get it your sorry for the headbutt.

I like Mayweather, but I also try to be honest and unbiased about everything that goes for Mayweather, The Red Wings and any other team I like.


As for the Merchant thing. Maywearther is right Merchant does always hate on Floyd and he is supposed to be an unbiased commentator. But it was unnecessary and kinda classless for Money to flip on him.
Hilarity did ensue from it though.

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