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10-18-2012, 12:37 AM
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To me, it would probably be an issue of confidence with Elliott, and likely Barrie as well. At the AHL level, they have sustained success when here. They dictate the game, quarterback the powerplay, and play in all situations. They play with a different edge. More of an ego. The 1-on-1's that they're getting at this level are vastly different than the ones they're seeing at the NHL level, like you alluded to.

The speed of the NHL game is so much different. Eberle took Elliott wide a couple of times and had the edge, but Elliott recovered and either angled him off by using his stick to force Eberle wider to protect the puck or stayed side-by-side just long enough to force Eberle behind the net or into the corner.

It can't be easy to go from doing what you want in an AHL game to having so much less time and space at the next level. That's part of the learning curve that all young players deal with. Since Elliott's not a big, physical, imposing player, it's harder to have a presence/identity on NHL ice. That's something I think he'll deal with for a while. The lockout should help him, playing against NHL caliber talent at a level he's more comfortable playing in.
That's good to hear he was able to contain Eberle like that. However, I'm much less concerned with his one on one play, than I am his general defensive awareness and positioning. This is the most important aspect for a defenseman IMO. Lots of little things go into this, but the first part of it is reading the play and having an idea what the forward is going to do before they do it. This comes before any action they take. This is a tough adjustment for a young player with the speed and skill level of the NHL, but it's what they need to learn to become NHLers. They're stick work and skating ability needs to complement them in this regard, not make up for it.

A good example of this is Liles. I think it's safe to say he was probably about average defensively overall at best, but he is one of the best defenseman I've seen one on one, on the rush. He would play it near perfectly, and break it up pretty much every time. Great instincts, stick work, and just enough body contact to contain them. But this didn't translate to his general defensive coverage once the opposition was already in the zone. He didn't have a high level of reading ability, and didn't have the strength and reach that a bigger man has to help contain players.

Learning to read the play at a high level, at high speed is what Elliott and Barrie need to work on, and what will separate them from being a pure PP specialist, bottom pairing guy, or a legit top four guy the team feels comfortable giving more ice time to. Elliott especially will have to excel at his stick work and instincts at the NHL level, because his passive style is a very tough one to excel at against the speed and size of NHL players. Barrie while the smaller guy, doesn't play as passive, and appears to have a lower center of gravity that he may be able to add some strength to. He reminds me a lot of Liles in both regards.

I'm not making a statement either way in terms of what they will develop into. I never do that, and I think it's incredibly naive and boisterous to do so, unless they are elite prospects, no matter what you've seen them do at lower levels. I do think we need to temper our expectations a little bit for these two though, and at the very least be extremely patient, because they have a ways to go from where they were at last year.

I can't wait to see how they've developed the next time they get a shot with the big club though. I'm also very interested in what Elliott has learned to do offensively. He was a bit of a one trick pony last year in that regard. Once he stopped catching teams by surprise, and they learned how dangerous his wrister was, and how quickly he could skate, they were able to front him and contain him fairly easily. He'll have to learn how to open up shooting and passing lanes for himself aside from the couple moves that worked for him early on last year. He seems very cerebral offensively though, so I like his chances.


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10-18-2012, 06:40 AM
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So let's speak hypothetically. If one single Lake Erie defender were to have a shot at being called up to the Avs, name them and why. Can be for any reason, but I feel between Pock, Barrie and Elliott we have a pretty decent shot of one of them pushing Hunwick, Zanon or O'Brien out of the lineup at least briefly.

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10-18-2012, 09:42 AM
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So let's speak hypothetically. If one single Lake Erie defender were to have a shot at being called up to the Avs, name them and why. Can be for any reason, but I feel between Pock, Barrie and Elliott we have a pretty decent shot of one of them pushing Hunwick, Zanon or O'Brien out of the lineup at least briefly.
I agree.
I think it mostly depends who is playing badly/injured.

If Hunwick is horrible then it's probably Elliott/Barrie who gets called up, whereas if it's Zanon/O'Brien it is probably Pck/Gaunce.

This should be easy like that, but due to the fact that the Avs have a lot of defensive defensemen then it actually might just be the one who the management thinks has the best shot of contributing the most.

I would say the order should be (according to the Avs games last year and the first 3 LEM games of which I watched/listened 2):
1.Barrie
2.Elliott
3.Pck
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10-18-2012, 10:12 AM
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I would say the order should be (according to the Avs games last year and the first 3 LEM games of which I watched/listened 2):
1.Barrie
2.Elliott
3.Pck
4.Gaunce
I would agree with this call up order based on what I've seen and read from their season so far in Lake Erie.

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10-18-2012, 10:19 AM
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I can't help but feel like Gaunce is getting the short end of the stick here...I mean yeah, he's not a flashy Offensive Defensemen, but if someone like RoB or Zanon goes down, I'd rather a sturdy, hard-nosed guy like Gaunce seems to be, be brought up to play.

I don't think that he looked terrible in his short stint 2 yrs ago with the Avs, and by all accounts he was one of Lake Erie's most reliable Dmen last year.

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10-18-2012, 11:34 AM
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First of all anyone who expects Elliott to display some physicality could spend his time better waiting for Godot, but that doesn't mean he'll be bad defensively.

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So let's speak hypothetically. If one single Lake Erie defender were to have a shot at being called up to the Avs, name them and why. Can be for any reason, but I feel between Pock, Barrie and Elliott we have a pretty decent shot of one of them pushing Hunwick, Zanon or O'Brien out of the lineup at least briefly.
Cam, Stef and Tyson have the best chance at making the team, it all depends on what kind of a player Sacco and his staff will prefer/need at the big club.

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First of all anyone who expects Elliott to display some physicality could spend his time better waiting for Godot, but that doesn't mean he'll be bad defensively.



Cam, Stef and Tyson have the best chance at making the team, it all depends on what kind of a player Sacco and his staff will prefer/need at the big club.
Elliott is such a light weighted player. I'm actually surprised he didn't work with a strength and conditioning coach this past off season to bulk up more. He needs to fatten himself, then turn it into muscle.

I reckon he is having my issue. I do weights most days, but I got to the point last year, where I was way too thin, and no matter how heavy a weights program I did, I just wasn't bulking up (just becoming more gaunt and veigny).

Throughout this year, I've attempted to put on a heap of weight, then try the program again, and it appears to have worked.

In my opinion, that's Elliott's biggest problem. He needs to be more of a presence. His offensive game and skills are there. He in the right places of the ice at the right time.

My one concern with this strategy though, is I wouldn't want his speed on the ice to be affected adversely.

I really, REALLY hope he makes the team.

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Elliott is such a light weighted player. I'm actually surprised he didn't work with a strength and conditioning coach this past off season to bulk up more. He needs to fatten himself, then turn it into muscle.

I reckon he is having my issue. I do weights most days, but I got to the point last year, where I was way too thin, and no matter how heavy a weights program I did, I just wasn't bulking up (just becoming more gaunt and veigny).

Throughout this year, I've attempted to put on a heap of weight, then try the program again, and it appears to have worked.

In my opinion, that's Elliott's biggest problem. He needs to be more of a presence. His offensive game and skills are there. He in the right places of the ice at the right time.

My one concern with this strategy though, is I wouldn't want his speed on the ice to be affected adversely.

I really, REALLY hope he makes the team.
Fat can't turn into muscle. Fat and muscle are two separate things.

If you aren't gaining weight, you aren't eating enough. Plain and simple. It's all about the calories.

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So let's speak hypothetically. If one single Lake Erie defender were to have a shot at being called up to the Avs, name them and why. Can be for any reason, but I feel between Pock, Barrie and Elliott we have a pretty decent shot of one of them pushing Hunwick, Zanon or O'Brien out of the lineup at least briefly.
Impossible to go by how they have done so far. The Avs seem to call up based on the situation. If they need someone physical, Gaunce. Some speed, Barrie. Another look for a trade, Elliott. That doesn't even factor in what handedness they are. With the cap possibly dropping, we could see a few of the bottom Ds that are paid somewhat good get moved but in all honesty it may be best to let the D develop in the minors until you are forced to call up. Plus when the D are up for new contracts, they will costs less due to less exposure to the NHL. I'd rather have both Barrie entering cheap second contracts when they are solidifying their spot(s) at the NHL level.

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Fat can't turn into muscle. Fat and muscle are two separate things.

If you aren't gaining weight, you aren't eating enough. Plain and simple. It's all about the calories.
Dead on i use to power lift and if my diet was correct no gains for me and fat can't turn to muscle lol

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Elliott is such a light weighted player. I'm actually surprised he didn't work with a strength and conditioning coach this past off season to bulk up more. He needs to fatten himself, then turn it into muscle.
I reckon he is having my issue. I do weights most days, but I got to the point last year, where I was way too thin, and no matter how heavy a weights program I did, I just wasn't bulking up (just becoming more gaunt and veigny).

Throughout this year, I've attempted to put on a heap of weight, then try the program again, and it appears to have worked.

In my opinion, that's Elliott's biggest problem. He needs to be more of a presence. His offensive game and skills are there. He in the right places of the ice at the right time.

My one concern with this strategy though, is I wouldn't want his speed on the ice to be affected adversely.

I really, REALLY hope he makes the team.
Yup totally agree. He needs to do watever Dan Boyle did between his time with FLA and when he got to Tampa. Boyle was scrawny in FLA and pushed around quite a bit.

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please teach me how to turn fat into muscle

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Is there a lake erie game tonight? If so anybody know of a stream?

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Is there a lake erie game tonight? If so anybody know of a stream?
8ET against Barons.
(in 1 hour I presume?)
There might be a stream but we'll know more when the game is about to start.

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Aitto had no chance on that goal.

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Nice drive to the net by Lerg to setup Barrie for the equalizer.

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Barrie!

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Barrie has some sick hockey sense to know where to go.

Gaunce was the best player in that period, IMO.

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1-1 after the 1st period.

Lone goal was by Barrie. He has 3G in 4GP.

Heard and Van Der Gulik with the assists.

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Aitto had no chance on that goal.
you are correct sir. Sullivan left his side/man chasing after the puck carrier who already had a LE player with him....really hung Aitto out to dry.

P.S. I'm at the game....OKC fans are annoying, I wasn't being disrespectful at all in my opinion on Barrie's goal and I was told to sit the ****** down and shut the ****** up.

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1-1 after the 1st period.

Lone goal was by Barrie. He has 3G in 4GP.

Heard and Van Der Gulik with the assists.
They haven't announced the point change then, because the in-house PA announcer announced the primary assist to Lerg

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lol@the conversation in the stream

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2-1 good guys

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pock ties it up on the 5 on 3

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