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07-04-2011, 12:11 PM
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no way burkie completely blew he was too busy on vacation instead of picking up good players. we missed richards a superstar instead to a playoff rival now he is playing with gaborik one of the best lines in the conference. instead we get a guy who couldnt make the playoffs with the sabres. we didnt get stamkos. we couldve gotten vokoun for 1.5 million instead we got this rookie goalie instead. may as well tank now, and get a top 2 pick maybe this time burkie wont trade it for a magic bean
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07-04-2011, 12:13 PM
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wow, Kessel is magic beans? he will likely score more goals than all 3 drafted players he was traded for put together over their careers.

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no way burkie completely blew he was too busy on vacation instead of picking up good players. we missed richards a superstar instead to a playoff rival now he is playing with gaborik one of the best lines in the conference. instead we get a guy who couldnt make the playoffs with the sabres. we didnt get stamkos. we couldve gotten vokoun for 1.5 million instead we got this rookie goalie instead. may as well tank now, and get a top 2 pick maybe this time burkie wont trade it for a magic bean
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07-04-2011, 12:18 PM
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If Reimer played as good as he did last season for a full regular season, we will make the playoffs. Goaltending is so important for a winning team.
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Ummm... people are putting too much emphasis on connelly staying healthy and gelling with lupul and kessel. I think the biggest issue will be Reimer and his ability to stop the puck as a sophmore #1. Will be an interesting year to say the least.
Agree with both of you. Goaltending is the HARDEST thing to have a ? about. It influences the team so much you never know what can happen.

And I think the goaltending in the east is FAR better than the West. Look at the teams...

Stud in Goal (better than us):
Washington- Vokoun
Philadelphia- Bryzgalov
Boston- Thomas
Pittsburgh- Fleury
Montreal- Price
Buffalo- Miller
NYR- Lundqvist
Carolina- Ward

Okay / ?? in goal (same as us):
Tampa Bay: Roloson/Garon combo
New Jersey: Brodeur (based on last year he's wearing down, still well above average)
Toronto: Reimer
Ottawa: Anderson
Winnipeg: Pavelec

Weak in goal (worse than us):

NYI: Dipietro/Poulin/Montoya
Florida: Clemenssen/Theodore

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07-04-2011, 12:31 PM
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Playoff Teams:

Washington
Pittsburgh
Boston
Tampa Bay


Fringe Teams:

Philadelphia
Montreal
Carolina
Toronto
Buffalo
New York
New Jersey

Non-Playoff Teams:

NYI
Winnipeg
Florida
Ottawa

The Flyers are not the team they were last year ...you cant just give away 70+ goals and hope for the best.

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07-04-2011, 12:33 PM
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I really dont think theres any chance Philly doesnt make the playoffs unless half their team gets injured they are still packed with elite talent and have jagr and bryzgalov in the mix now.

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07-04-2011, 12:36 PM
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I'm not convinced that the Leafs are a playoff team.

Buffalo still vastly improved their lineup by adding two defensemen and Leino (while losing Connoly). They just missed out last year.

New York, assuming some better luck with health, is a much better team with Richards than Drury. They just squeezed in last year, so they aren't going to be anything less than a team that fights for a playoff spot.

Boston isn't suddenly going to become a non-playoff team, for the most part they are young, and if Thomas falters they still have Rask who is good enough to backstop a playoff team, although probably not another Cup (at this point).

Washington is a playoff team.

Crosby is back next year and Pittsburgh should be a playoff team.

Philly might falter based on chemistry, but I see no reason why they aren't a playoff team.

Montreal could be a team that falters but again, have enough (providing Price plays well again) to be a playoff team. If Markov can be healthy, or at least play more than 5 games, they improve drastically, he really is a top tier NHL defenseman.

Tampa, thanks to their division should still be a playoff team, although the 5000-BCE age on Roloson might affect their chances if their goaltending is terrible. They can still outscore enough teams on most nights though.

Then throw in New Jersey who could either bomb out like last year or be good. Depending on what happens with Parise, they are a better team with him in the lineup for a full year. Kovalchuk went in beast mode after struggling under a coach who seemed to not know how to handle the team. They still have holes, and Brodeur is aging but they could just as easily start off hot and be a playoff team rather than fighting their way close enough with only a half-season push.

And while Carolina never looks all that good, you know full well Erik Cole will suck for half the year, the Hurricanes will reacquire him at the deadline and he'll put up 2 PPG until the postseason where a mediocre roster somehow finds themselves in the playoffs yet again, despite most of their peripheral stats suggesting they should probably be a bottom feeder.

Connoly makes them better. Bozak and Gunnarsson hopefully have better 3rd seasons, but I think the Leafs are still fighting it out for 7th - 10th.

And that doesn't factor in an odd run from Florida (they have overpaid talent, but actually have some, but lost Vokoun) or a fantasy run for the "1st year" Jets.

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07-04-2011, 12:39 PM
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1 Washington
2 Philadelphia
3 Boston
4 Pittsburgh
5 Tampa Bay
6 Buffalo
7 New York R
8 -

Teams fighting for 8 to

New Jersey, Montreal, Toronto, Carolina, Winnipeg.


New York Islanders
Florida
Ottawa

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07-04-2011, 12:49 PM
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At the moment I think we are a fringe team. If lombardi is healthy and can contribute, i think we will be closer to the playoffs.

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07-04-2011, 12:50 PM
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1 Washington
2 Philadelphia
3 Boston
4 Pittsburgh
5 Tampa Bay
6 Buffalo
7 New York R
8 -

Teams fighting for 8 to

New Jersey, Montreal, Toronto, Carolina, Winnipeg.


New York Islanders
Florida
Ottawa
I think the top 5 is correct but any team after is anywhere near a lock. Its gonna be a wild race for the final 3 spots.

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07-04-2011, 12:57 PM
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With the improvements made in our conference and even the teams below us, I feel that a lot of would have to go our way in terms of having players stay healthy and for goaltending to be solid just for us to battle for an 8th spot. This team's post-season chances seem to be sealed for us early in the season. If we can start winning more games in October, November and December, I'll feel a bit more confident about our chances. We'd also have to wait to see if Burke makes any other moves but I can't see anything drastic happening. They said that Connolly was the choice after Richards so I think Burke will use him solely as a stop gap and continue working on the #1 centre project. Right now, I think I'd be fine if we maintained a 9th/10th place finish so long as we maintained competitive throughout the season and hopefully increase our point total from last season.

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07-04-2011, 01:14 PM
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Around a 20% chance for the Leafs IMO.

Virtual playoff locks:
- Pitt (if healthy they're maybe the best team in the league)
- Boston (obviously, same team that won the cup)
- Washington (even more stacked than before)
- Philly (IMO they're stronger than before, way better goaltending, better wingers, weaker at C but still strong there, maybe less locker room problems/inconsistency)

Good chance to make playoffs:
- Buffalo (already a good team, improved a lot this summer)
- NYR (see Buffalo)
- Tampa (good team, and a clear top 2 team in their weak division)
- Montreal (always seem to sneak in)

Next in line if some of the above 8 struggle (if they have bad injuries, poor chemistry, etc.):
- Toronto (we're better than last year, need to play well throughout season, not just post-ASG)
- Carolina (still solid)
- Florida (much improved everywhere, except in net where they're very weak)
- NJ (can they play well without Lemaire? Parise back will help, but still have question marks on d, at C, and possibly in goal with Brodeur on the decline, very hard team to place IMO)

Really doubt they make it:
- NYI (weakest team in their division IMO)
- Peg (best forward is Andrew Ladd = no playoffs for you)
- Ottawa (maybe the worst team in the league, no good top 6 forwards other than Spezza)

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07-04-2011, 01:15 PM
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I don't think the Rangers are a lock for that 7th seed as some of you are saying.

Washington
Boston
Pittsburgh
Tampa
Flyers
Buffalo
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Toronto, NYR, Montreal, Carolina, New Jersey, and Winnipeg all trying to get one of the 7/8.

Buffalo isn't even a lock imo. However, I would assume they get in with Miller, and their new D

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07-04-2011, 01:25 PM
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I would say it's pretty unlikely, unless Reimer is Thomas-type ridiculous.

Depending on how you want to argue, something on the order of 6-8 teams in the East are clearly better than the Leafs. We'll likely be fighting for the bottom spot with several other clubs.

Connolly is a significant upgrade on Bozak, but we can't really expect him to play an entire season, and his game suffers from significant weaknesses for a guy who is supposed to be the #1C.

We can only speculate based on today's roster, of course. Perhaps there is another major addition to come...I think Connolly was it, myself, but you never know.

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07-04-2011, 01:30 PM
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IMO, locks for playoffs are Caps, Pens, Bruins

Everyone else may or may not make the playoffs. I don't think the habs are definitively better than us for example, Price played really good for them the entire season. Conversely, we had extremely inconsistent goaltending. In addition, Philly has a lot of question marks now, they still have a lot of good peices but they are no lock.

It's hard to predict these things but the leafs definitely have a shot, a lot of the onus of us making it will depend on Reimer. We haven't had a goalie steal games for us for a while, if Reimer can do what he did last year, we can make the playoffs.

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I think the East is going to end up like the West last year. Massive parity all the way to from 3rd to 12th. Here's how I think they will end up:

1. Washington - Clearly a lock let's move on.
2. Boston - Stanley cup winners and haven't lost any pieces of value. Don't expect much changes here.
3. Pittsburgh - Injuries galore and a lot less depth. Are Crosby and Malkin coming back with 100point seasons? Probably, but perhaps not.
4. Buffalo - This team will surprise. Big time defense, Miller and a motivated owner.
5. Tampa - Assuming they can replicate last year's success and Roloson can hold the fort. They should be in at the end of the day. Tampa's D isn't anything to write home about. 1 game from the SCF and they barely exceeded Goals against in the regular season. They can slip easily if Roloson declines.
6. NY Rangers - Should be good this year with Richards, but did they improve significantly overall? I'm not so sure.
7. Toronto - Scoring by committee and a punishing defense. If goaltending doesn't impress could dip out of contention, but Remier looks like the real deal.
8. Philadelphia - Great depth but they will suffer short term losses due to the recent trades.
9. NJ - This team will bounce back, but not completely. Next year they will be back if they can replace Brodeur.
10. Carolina - Great team but didn't improve much if at all. I'd say they went in the other direction with the loss of Cole.
11. Montreal - Which Carey Price are we going to see? The team has too few young players and too many old guys brought in as UFAs. A step down is in order.
12. NY Islanders - Got lucky last year that a lot of pieces clicked. I don't see them taking the next level yet though. If Montoya surprises again, they might make some noise.

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07-04-2011, 01:37 PM
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Buffalo still vastly improved their lineup by adding two defensemen and Leino (while losing Connoly). They just missed out last year.
Missed out on what? They lost to Philly in the 1st round.

There should be 3-4 top teams in the East (Pitts, Wsh, Bos maybe TB or Philly) then I expect Winnipeg, Ott, NYI, Fla to be out of it for the majority of the season. Everyone else will be in a battle for the final few playoff spots, a hot goalie, some key injuries, a coaching change, etc.. could all be the difference. If Reimer plays well (.915 save%) I see us getting in to the playoffs.

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07-04-2011, 01:42 PM
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It will Boil down to chemistry. Burke has gained assets to make others expendable. With some luck we'll take 8th

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He's not replacing Lebda.

We had Phaneuf, Schenn, Aulie, Liles, Gunnarsson, and Komisarek in the top 6. Assuming Franson breaks the top 6, he's replacing one of those 6. That is not a major uprgrade.
It is a major upgrade. Franson is a top 4 D who can contribute points on the powerplay. If he's replacing komisarek (which we all hope he does) I don't see how its not a major upgrade.

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I hope they will, but it obviously won't be easy. IMO it will all come down to Reimer and if he can carry over who he played last season into this coming season.

Connolly is an upgrade from Bozak obviously, and with Lupul being healthy this year, I see our top line being very productive offensively. Same can be said about our 2nd line if MacA stays.

Locks for the playoffs are:
1.WSH
2.BOS
3.PITT
4.PHI (they may not rank as high on the standings as they did this season, but they will DEFINITELY make the playoffs)

BUF, and NYR are most likely going to make the playoffs with the additions they added in the off season.

TB,TOR, CAR, MTL and NJ will fight for those final 2 spots. I honestly think all these teams are at an equal playing level in making the playoffs. I don't think TB will repeat their 103 pt season, they're division isn't as weak anymore, they've lost Gagne and Roli's age will eventually catch up to him. NJ will probably play more like they did in the 2nd half, esp if Parise plays a full season and Larsson gets to play. I'm not all impressed with MTL's roster and think Price will once again have to carry them into the playoffs. That leaves Toronto, read above.

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It is a major upgrade. Franson is a top 4 D who can contribute points on the powerplay. If he's replacing komisarek (which we all hope he does) I don't see how its not a major upgrade.
You've obviously never seen him play. Franson will likely be a top-4 defenseman someday, but he certainly wasn't last year, and he probably won't be one for a year or two. He needs some time to mature.

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I don't believe Connolly and Franson is the difference, Liles just replaces Kabs so not really an improvement there. remember we had no injuries to our top 6 forwards last year, granted we only had 5 and the other was a rotating door, and only 1 defensemen missed any time due to injury aswell, so we were extremely lucky imo when it came to injuries last year, you also look at the 5 top 6 forwards and they all had Career years last year in Offensive production meaning not only do they need to replicate those seasons, some need to improve upon them.

because of this I don't think the additions of Franson and Connolly will make the difference needed to close the gap. personally ic Philly, pitts, WSH, Buffalo, Tampa, Bos as all locks to make the playoffs, which leaves 2 remaining spots to NYR, and NJ have the inside track, then outside shots to us, mtl, isles for the last spot, personally I don't see Carolina, Florida, Ottawa(last), or winnipeg making it, my prediction to a final standing as of now would be

Pitts
WSH
Bos
Buffalo
NJ
Tampa
Philly
NYR
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MTL
Tor
Isle
Car
Winnipeg
Florida
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Not yet, on the outside of the bubble, but we do have a chance. I don't see it happening though, East is too tight.

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wow, Kessel is magic beans? he will likely score more goals than all 3 drafted players he was traded for put together over their careers.
The only "Wow" is your statement....Damn Id be willing to bet you that Tyler Seguin outscores Kessel in the points department on his own before their respective careers come to an end. Don't forget about Jared Knight and Dougie Hamilton....I like Kessel but man...to say this is absolute garbage.

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Depends on whether REIMER is up for the task and stays healthy. He is the main reason why we're still in this.

Connolly
Lilies
Lombardi
Franson


Is this the best we got? Decent pick ups but will surely help us improve.

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