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07-04-2011, 09:37 PM
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Coyotes don't want more D. They have Gormley, Schlemko, OEL, Summers and Goncharov all competing for 1 or 2 roster spots.



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So they are even more alike? Thanks for siding with me.
The point that's being made is that Tedenby had very limited ice time because JL was very hard on rooks who even made the slightest mistake in the defensive zone. Tedenby has 1st line winger potential.

Also, this is for the rights to Yandle. How could you be sure he was going to sign long term? You don't trade your 4th overall pick and potential franchise D man for a guy who may or may not sign long term with the team. The rights to a player are less valuable than a signed player; unless the signed player has a terrible contract.

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Put down the crack pipe. If it was between Yandle and Larsson on draft day, Lou would have gone off soft getting his hands on Yandle - you know the American player who has proven to be an elite PMD in the NHL.
Yea, you should read the whole thread before responding...especially since its only on the first page...

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07-04-2011, 09:39 PM
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The rights to a player are less valuable than a signed player; unless the signed player has a terrible contract.
Any trade for Yandle is going to be a sign-and-trade or have a pre-negotiated contract. Nobody is going to cough up the assets for Yandle without such an assurance.

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07-04-2011, 09:52 PM
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Because it's almost assuredly going to be a late 2nd rounder, of which the conversion rate to an NHL player is fairly low. For the Coyotes drafting department, at least. It's just not the type of asset that you seek in a trade for a young star. It's just tossed in there as an equalizer to make this more than Yandle for Tedenby.
Still doesn't make a 2nd round pick meaningless. It's an asset. An asset that can be flipped to acquire many a quality NHL player, or move up in the draft. And future NHLer's are churned out often enough in the 2nd round for it to have decent value. Labeling it "meaningless" is insinuating that it lacks any sort of positive value, which is just not true.

By labeling a 2nd round pick meaningless, and determining a 21 year old making 800K who hasnt even played 60 games in the NHL yet as either "struggling" or a "salary dump" (?)...I'm not sure how you can't possibly see that you may be undervaluing the proposal at least somewhat.

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07-04-2011, 09:55 PM
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By labeling a 2nd round pick meaningless, and determining a 21 year old making 800K who hasnt even played 60 games in the NHL yet as either "struggling" or a "salary dump" (?)...I'm not sure how you can't possibly see that you may be undervaluing the proposal at least somewhat.
See Burns, Brent. A solid young player and a 2nd, however deep of a draft, is not enough. Even at correct 'valuation.'

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07-04-2011, 09:57 PM
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A meaningless pick, a salary dump, a D the Coyotes don't want and a struggling right winger? We have Boedker already, you know.

No deal..... And it's not even close
This is awful valuation of the assets being offered in the OP.

The pick is one that Lou has said he does not want to part with because of the strength of next year's draft, Clarkson has more value than being a salary dump, Urbom was Lemaire's favourite defensive prospect last season and Lou described him as our best prospect in camp, and Tedenby is not even close to struggling.

If you still don't want to give up Yandle for that, I don't blame you, but don't tell us the assets are crap.

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Perhaps people should see what the Sharks gave up for Burns before making any embarassing offers on Yandle. Phoenix hangs up unless Larsson is part of the package being offered for Yandle.
Realistically, the Devils aren't going to trade Larsson right after drafting him. Maybe you haven't noticed, but Lou and Conte are very high on him.

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So they are even more alike? Thanks for siding with me.
No rookie is given a spot on the Devils unless he can play defence. Tedenby was no exception. Lemaire gave him the tough love treatment to teach him how to play a more defensively responsible game. He was healthy scratched sometimes, other times he would be given low minutes, and other times he would be benched for the rest of the game after making a defensive mistake.

Despite this, Tedenby managed to put up decent numbers for a rookie, including some impressive goals. Most Devils fans think he is a future 30+ goal scorer, and as such are loath to trade him, unless a guy like Yandle is the return.

Don't tell us he is on the same trajectory as Boedker, it simply isn't true.

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See Burns, Brent. A solid young player and a 2nd, however deep of a draft, is not enough. Even at correct 'valuation.'
Pretty sure there's another couple of players involved in the proposal. I'd go into greater detail about how Urbom is a valuable asset (made the team as a 19 year old), and Clarkson only struggled in a year every Devils player did...but I have a feeling we still wouldn't see eye-to-eye.

...We'll agree to disagree

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Also, sorry about all the bad Yandle proposals cropping up. We've been going through the same thing with Parise for months.

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