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07-20-2011, 10:57 AM
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Nice job by Sather...he gets Brooks to float the high number and half the base goes into attack mode on Dubinsky. Cool, and when it gets settled for less, all people will remember is how Dubi asked for the moon and is greedy. That's called hardball.

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When I go to sell a vehicle, I set my bottom dollar value to myself. Then I place it on the market and ask/position myself at a higher dollar amount.

The vehicle I have 5k set for bottom price, I put on the market for 6500. Most times you get above your asking price, as long as you're within market range.

I view arbitration the same way. If Dubi comes in looking for 4 mil (as his absolute base salary per), Sather will try to get him signed in for 3.7 mil or so.

So you ask for 4.8-5.x and settle on 4.25-4.5. (or whatever)

He'll be signed.

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07-20-2011, 11:08 AM
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Nice job by Sather...he gets Brooks to float the high number and half the base goes into attack mode on Dubinsky. Cool, and when it gets settled for less, all people will remember is how Dubi asked for the moon and is greedy. That's called hardball.
Yea but what good does it do?

Turn a fan base against one of its most important players.

Overpay for UFA garbage (not Richards) but play hardball with homegrown long-tenured players.

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07-20-2011, 11:10 AM
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Yea but what good does it do?

Turn a fan base against one of its most important players.

Overpay for UFA garbage (not Richards) but play hardball with homegrown long-tenured players.

Agreed. Sather is getting the results he wants, and it's disappointing to see the reactions.

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07-20-2011, 11:12 AM
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Teddy Purcell, of roughly same age, and put up a nearly identical point total, PLUS a monster playoffs, just signed for a bit less than $2.4M... I like the guy, but I dont see how dubi is worth over 2x that.

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07-20-2011, 11:14 AM
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This is the first year that Purcell has put up any numbers of note, however. Dubinsky has 3 seasons of decent totals and has already gotten that "second" contract that Purcell is getting now. Better to compare Purcell's contract to what Dubinsky got 2 years ago

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Just 2/3? Is it because it's a different buy-out period? I thought it was something closer to 9/10.
wolski buyout would be 1/3 due to his age...we'd save 3.3 mil in cap space. or could send him down to hartford and save the full 3.8 mil

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07-20-2011, 11:16 AM
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I like the idea of having most of the same team together for a long time.

Let them grow together.

Fans connect to the team.

No revolving door.

Just sign Dubi and Cally long term. You don't let these kinds of players go just to save pride.

Isn't the idea to win?

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07-20-2011, 11:18 AM
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Teddy Purcell, of roughly same age, and put up a nearly identical point total, PLUS a monster playoffs, just signed for a bit less than $2.4M... I like the guy, but I dont see how dubi is worth over 2x that.
Second contract vs. third contract. Completely different.

Also, Purcell was pretty irrelevant in the NHL prior to last year.

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07-20-2011, 11:19 AM
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Nice job by Sather...he gets Brooks to float the high number and half the base goes into attack mode on Dubinsky. Cool, and when it gets settled for less, all people will remember is how Dubi asked for the moon and is greedy. That's called hardball.
That could really be what he's asking for now that he knows it's going to arbitration tomorrow....

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07-20-2011, 11:20 AM
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wolski buyout would be 1/3 due to his age...we'd save 3.3 mil in cap space. or could send him down to hartford and save the full 3.8 mil
That's what I meant, but I didn't know how to word it.

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Agreed. Sather is getting the results he wants, and it's disappointing to see the reactions.
Again, this is looking at the situation through player colored glasses. Considering at all of the other comparable players in the league that settled on multiyear contracts in the $4MM range well before their arbitration dates, one could easily say that Dubi chose to play hardball by sticking to an unreasonable $5MM+ number all the way up until the end, rather than moving towards a reasonable compromise in line with his comps weeks ago. He's now just reaping the rewards of his own decision to play hardball. Note that the numbers were only aired in the press approximately 30 hours prior to his hearing date...

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If Dubinsky wants to be a long term Ranger, arbitration is not the way to go about it.

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Bet he gets 2 years at $4.65 per

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i really wish fans were kept in the dark about all of this until the contracts are signed

its buisness and it aint always pretty

these precedings should never be used to make a judgement about someones character

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What is the aforementioned "11th hour"?

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i really wish fans were kept in the dark about all of this until the contracts are signed

its buisness and it aint always pretty

these precedings should never be used to make a judgement about someones character
You're 100% right. It's unfortunate.

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Bet he gets 2 years at $4.65 per
If he goes to arbitration? That seems high to me.

Any one of his peers who has an AAV in the $4MM+ range has it because the out years - which are UFA years - are in the upper $4MM to $5MM+ range, offsetting lower salary numbers in the early years when they're still RFAs. This creates the average for the entire term of the contract in the $4.25-4.5MM range. The RFA year numbers tend to begin with a 3.

If Dubi goes to arbitration and gets a 1 or 2 year award, he should be in the mid $3MM to low $4MM range at the outside.

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I find it hilarious that people take this stuff as a personal attack on themselves.....

However, Dubinsky is not worth 5+ million/season.

I bet he doesnt get above 4.5.

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Here's my concern.

Sather plays hardball, lowballs homegrown Rangers that have been improving every year, and are cornerstones of the team.

But when any UFA mercenary piece of garbage comes on the market, Sather throws the moon at him.

Sather plays hardball, Dubinsky signs arbitrator awarded two year deal. He proceeds to rack up 70 points the next two years. And when he's REALLY due a payday, we can't keep him. Away he goes racking up 70 points for another team. And in a panic, what ever UFA garbage comes along Sather throws the same damn money at this potential disaster that never played a single game in New York, that he could have gave Dubinsky two years prior!

Just sign Dubinsky long term, dammit.

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$5M for Dubinsky? Give me a break. Sign him short term then, see how he performs. If he gets 60pts+ and remains somewhat consistent, only then will we consider giving him $5M+ long term. Ridiculous.

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07-20-2011, 11:52 AM
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$5M for Dubinsky? Give me a break. Sign him short term then, see how he performs. If he gets 60pts+ and remains somewhat consistent, only then will we consider giving him $5M+ long term. Ridiculous.
If Dubinsky puts up 70 points you'll wish we had given him 5 mil for 6-7 years.

70 point player will get 6+ on the market.

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Here's my concern.

Sather plays hardball, lowballs homegrown Rangers that have been improving every year, and are cornerstones of the team.

But when any UFA mercenary piece of garbage comes on the market, Sather throws the moon at him.

Sather plays hardball, Dubinsky signs arbitrator awarded two year deal. He proceeds to rack up 70 points the next two years. And when he's REALLY due a payday, we can't keep him. Away he goes racking up 70 points for another team. And in a panic, what ever UFA garbage comes along Sather throws the same damn money at this potential disaster that never played a single game in New York, that he could have gave Dubinsky two years prior!

Just sign Dubinsky long term, dammit.
That's all good and great, unless Dubinsky continues to be inconsistent and put up 45-55 points every year. I would have no problem paying him accordingly in 3-4 years IF he earned it. I have a HUGE problem paying someone on potential or "what-could-be".

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If Dubinsky puts up 70 points you'll wish we had given him 5 mil for 6-7 years.

70 point player will get 6+ on the market.
Dubinsky has never even approached 70 points, though.

He's not going to be paid $5M for one 50 point season.

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If Dubinsky puts up 70 points you'll wish we had given him 5 mil for 6-7 years.

70 point player will get 6+ on the market.
If Brian Boyle becomes a true PF and scores 30 goals the next 3 seasons the same can be said.

If Mike Sauer develops and becomes a top-pairing shut-down defender who puts up 35 points the same will be said.

If Dubinsky is confident in his abilities then let him prove his worth. The Rangers don't lowball their players, they make them earn their money and pay them accordingly.

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