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07-23-2011, 09:09 AM
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and bondra had a cannon of a slap shot from the point on the PP.
True, which is how he stayed pretty relevant as a PP specialist late into his career even after developing knee problems.

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07-26-2011, 01:38 AM
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I know it's a sin to trade roster assets to a competing team in the East, but I think Perreault for Erik Gustafsson could work out for both teams. Perreault doesn't have a role on this team, especially if King is on the roster as an extra forward and isn't waiver exempt. There's a chance we lose him for nothing if he doesn't crack the NHL roster out of camp.

Gustafsson is still 22 and has already torn up the AHL and seen some NHL action (3 games). He would likely bump McNeill and Orlov down the depth chart one spot, either as an NHL #8 or in Hershey. Would allow for Orlov to remain in the AHL even if McNeill flames out in the NHL. Also provides a more mobile, puck moving alternative to Erskine if one of our RD goes down. Not sure if he can play RD, but he's in the puck-moving mold and had huge offensive numbers in the AHL.

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07-26-2011, 07:42 AM
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I know it's a sin to trade roster assets to a competing team in the East, but I think Perreault for Erik Gustafsson could work out for both teams. Perreault doesn't have a role on this team, especially if King is on the roster as an extra forward and isn't waiver exempt. There's a chance we lose him for nothing if he doesn't crack the NHL roster out of camp.

Gustafsson is still 22 and has already torn up the AHL and seen some NHL action (3 games). He would likely bump McNeill and Orlov down the depth chart one spot, either as an NHL #8 or in Hershey. Would allow for Orlov to remain in the AHL even if McNeill flames out in the NHL. Also provides a more mobile, puck moving alternative to Erskine if one of our RD goes down. Not sure if he can play RD, but he's in the puck-moving mold and had huge offensive numbers in the AHL.
I like it but only works if Perruutuu cracks the NHL lineup.

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07-26-2011, 08:44 AM
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Buffalo lines up a little better as an Eastern team in need of center depth with a wealth of blueline prospect depth.

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07-26-2011, 09:57 AM
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I know it's a sin to trade roster assets to a competing team in the East, but I think Perreault for Erik Gustafsson could work out for both teams. Perreault doesn't have a role on this team, especially if King is on the roster as an extra forward and isn't waiver exempt. There's a chance we lose him for nothing if he doesn't crack the NHL roster out of camp.

Gustafsson is still 22 and has already torn up the AHL and seen some NHL action (3 games). He would likely bump McNeill and Orlov down the depth chart one spot, either as an NHL #8 or in Hershey. Would allow for Orlov to remain in the AHL even if McNeill flames out in the NHL. Also provides a more mobile, puck moving alternative to Erskine if one of our RD goes down. Not sure if he can play RD, but he's in the puck-moving mold and had huge offensive numbers in the AHL.
Philly has Briere, Giroux, Schenn, Talbot, and Betts on thier depth chart at center and Perreault won't beat any of them out for a job. They are really weak at young defensive prospects so I would imagine they keep the only one they have.

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07-26-2011, 10:40 AM
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Philly has Briere, Giroux, Schenn, Talbot, and Betts on thier depth chart at center and Perreault won't beat any of them out for a job. They are really weak at young defensive prospects so I would imagine they keep the only one they have.
The have a lot going on in terms of their top 9 (8 really, Nodl's spot would be in jeopardy if they had a winger to challenge him), but they don't have much beyond that. Obviously Perreault wouldn't be a 4th line player, but he could easily make the Flyers as a 13/14th forward and fill in for top 6/9 injuries.

You're correct they don't have much in terms of defensive prospects, but they really don't have much in terms of any prospects. This is, at worst, a lateral move for their prospect pool. And they have NHL seasoned players like Syvret and Bartulis to fill in as blueline depth.

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07-26-2011, 11:24 AM
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Maybe its just me but I don't want to get rid of Perrault.

He is the perfect center call up when the team is in the doldrums. He brings instant energy and hustle.

Sure I wish he was bigger and meaner but he has a motor on him and provides a spark.

We aren't exactly stacked down the middle either so its probably not a good idea to get rid of any depth there.

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07-26-2011, 01:36 PM
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Maybe its just me but I don't want to get rid of Perrault.

He is the perfect center call up when the team is in the doldrums. He brings instant energy and hustle.

Sure I wish he was bigger and meaner but he has a motor on him and provides a spark.

We aren't exactly stacked down the middle either so its probably not a good idea to get rid of any depth there.
Who do you think wins the final reserve forward spot, Perreault or King? You get to balance having an enforcer vs. having an energy forward as your depth choice. I'd usually pick Perreault, but I'm not sure if management agrees with me and there's still a chance that King turns out to be the player he was billed as given that he's had another year to recover from injury.

Perreault is no longer waiver exempt. If we send him to Hershey, there's a legitimate chance that someone claims him. I don't want to risk losing him for nothing, and I'm not sure if the difference between Perreault and King (or Beagle/Sjogren/Hanson/etc) makes up for getting a player like Gustafsson back.

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07-26-2011, 03:29 PM
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Gustafsson looks like someone I'd want, it would probably take more than Perreault to get him at this point, with the way he produced in the AHL last season.

That said, Nodl's spot is very much in jeopardy, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone like Perreault made the team as a winger to prevent Couturier from playing as a rookie right out of his draft year (though I don't know what the Q really has to offer him at this point).

Could possibly work, but I doubt it.

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07-26-2011, 10:08 PM
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Who do you think wins the final reserve forward spot, Perreault or King? You get to balance having an enforcer vs. having an energy forward as your depth choice. I'd usually pick Perreault, but I'm not sure if management agrees with me and there's still a chance that King turns out to be the player he was billed as given that he's had another year to recover from injury.
MP85 scores goals at wierd but important times

King is a liability in every zone and fights other team's goons for no apparent reason

Not even a choice IMO

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07-26-2011, 10:26 PM
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MP85 scores goals at wierd but important times

King is a liability in every zone and fights other team's goons for no apparent reason

Not even a choice IMO
MP85 scores goals the first 10 games he gets called up and then turns into a Pumpkin.

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07-27-2011, 07:44 AM
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Who do you think wins the final reserve forward spot, Perreault or King? You get to balance having an enforcer vs. having an energy forward as your depth choice. I'd usually pick Perreault, but I'm not sure if management agrees with me and there's still a chance that King turns out to be the player he was billed as given that he's had another year to recover from injury.

Perreault is no longer waiver exempt. If we send him to Hershey, there's a legitimate chance that someone claims him. I don't want to risk losing him for nothing, and I'm not sure if the difference between Perreault and King (or Beagle/Sjogren/Hanson/etc) makes up for getting a player like Gustafsson back.
Boudreau hates King for whatever reason. Sure he didn't play great but its not like he got that many chances last year. And remember he hadn't played much hockey in a while due to injury. I was dissappointed they didn't stick with him but at this point they don't want him and no one will claim him on waivers.

I wasn't aware the MP is no longer waiver exempt. In light of this I'd have him take the reserve spot.

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07-27-2011, 08:06 AM
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my view is that mcphee signed off on not playing king. i think no using king was an organEYEzational choice and not just boudreau having a hate on for the guy.

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07-27-2011, 09:41 AM
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MP85 scores goals the first 10 games he gets called up and then turns into a Pumpkin.
And then he goes back to the AHL where he becomes instrumental offensively...

I think your point here is a clueless one.

How many times would you stand being treated back to the farm personally?

MP NEVER got a serious look on a regular basis on the Caps.
Yes he stayed for a while but multiple times played with 4th liners in a limited role or simply was given very limited ice time.

MoJo was given 10 times more occasions to succeed on the Caps than MP last season.....nothing against MoJo personally but MP is still the next in line skillwise and upside potentialwise.

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Stop talking about Perreault.

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Stop talking about Perreault.
Seriously.

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MP85 is the topic of the day....must be slow around here...

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my view is that mcphee signed off on not playing king. i think no using king was an organEYEzational choice and not just boudreau having a hate on for the guy.
They did waive him in the spring so I'd think his spot is certainly somewhat dicey. I mean, not even Sloan was exposed to waivers before he got all 'Trade me, *****es!'

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AMP NEVER got a serious look on a regular basis on the Caps.
Yes he stayed for a while but multiple times played with 4th liners in a limited role or simply was given very limited ice time..
factually incorrect. perreault was in the lineup on an every game basis from the start if november thru the end of february. all of that time at least one of gordon and steckel were playing the 4C role. never 85.

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Who do you think wins the final reserve forward spot, Perreault or King? You get to balance having an enforcer vs. having an energy forward as your depth choice. I'd usually pick Perreault, but I'm not sure if management agrees with me and there's still a chance that King turns out to be the player he was billed as given that he's had another year to recover from injury.

Perreault is no longer waiver exempt. If we send him to Hershey, there's a legitimate chance that someone claims him. I don't want to risk losing him for nothing, and I'm not sure if the difference between Perreault and King (or Beagle/Sjogren/Hanson/etc) makes up for getting a player like Gustafsson back.
yeah but you arent going to get Gustafsson back. Why would you make a decision based on an assumption? As was pointed out earlier, the Flyers wont be looking to trade their top AHL d-man for another young centre. They did enough of that (trade for young centre's) already this off season.

Trading Perrault get a "meh" from me. I can understand Tinner's comments on him and desire to keep him, but I also agree that since he is waiver eligible, we probably need to keep him vs losing him for nothing. We are too deep at forward to keep him year round...and he will get claimed for sure by a lower end team looking at their options.


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my view is that mcphee signed off on not playing king. i think no using king was an organEYEzational choice and not just boudreau having a hate on for the guy.
negative.

reason i say that stems from an interview with makfi middle of last season, an audio one.

interviewer asked him point blank about king, and his lack of playing time ( scratched so often ).

georgie's response was the most telling, animated, emotional one i've ever heard straight from his lips.

as soon as the guy asked the question -
pause, audible sigh from george, followed with ( paraphrasing ) "i really dont know". he went on for a couple sentences of things, the specific details i can no longer remember, but the cliffs notes are he didnt know why, and was clearly disappointed.

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07-27-2011, 01:39 PM
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Perrault's linemates from last season...

18.77% EV 21 LAICH,BROOKS - 85 PERREAULT,MATHIEU - 28 SEMIN,ALEXANDER
9.5% EV 22 KNUBLE,MICHAEL - 21 LAICH,BROOKS - 85 PERREAULT,MATHIEU
9.5% EV 25 CHIMERA,JASON - 16 FEHR,ERIC - 85 PERREAULT,MATHIEU
5.88% EV 83 BEAGLE,JAY - 21 LAICH,BROOKS - 85 PERREAULT,MATHIEU
4.97% EV 25 CHIMERA,JASON - 21 LAICH,BROOKS - 85 PERREAULT,MATHIEU

Not really 4th liners....

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And then he goes back to the AHL where he becomes instrumental offensively...

I think your point here is a clueless one.

How many times would you stand being treated back to the farm personally?

MP NEVER got a serious look on a regular basis on the Caps.

Yes he stayed for a while but multiple times played with 4th liners in a limited role or simply was given very limited ice time.

MoJo was given 10 times more occasions to succeed on the Caps than MP last season.....nothing against MoJo personally but MP is still the next in line skillwise and upside potentialwise.
Bull.

MP got multiple opportunities with the Caps as their #2 last year and just stopped producing. My point is spot on.

Johansson is the superior player by far and thus stuck around and got stronger as the season continued.

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Ovechkin pursuing a graduate degree in "Physical Culture" is potentially the best news since the Varlamov deal.

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Boudreau hates King for whatever reason. Sure he didn't play great but its not like he got that many chances last year. And remember he hadn't played much hockey in a while due to injury. I was dissappointed they didn't stick with him but at this point they don't want him and no one will claim him on waivers.

I wasn't aware the MP is no longer waiver exempt. In light of this I'd have him take the reserve spot.
DJ King made the worst hockey play I have ever seen at the NHL level this past season. I don't remember who we were playing, but it was a home game, and he and someone else were on a 2 on 1, and he peeled off on the 2 on 1 to go fight someone else in the neutral zone. It was possibly the most boneheaded thing I've ever seen. I have been done with DJ King ever since. I wish we could loan him to an AHL team that isn't even ours.

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