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07-12-2011, 08:02 PM
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Oh, definitely. It could go either way, and the proof will be in the pudding. I just know that he wasn't the fleetest of foot last year and I was hoping he might've gained a step this off-season, which the extra weight might compromise.



For sure. I was begging for Bylsma to throw ET into the playoff line-up when we were struggling so badly on the PP.



Yeah, it's not gargantuan, but it gives pause. Some big net-front guys like Knuble and Byfuglien play at that 230+, but I think it's fairly rare, especially for guys getting regular even-strength time.
In the 1 game he did play in the playoffs, Tangradi was in front of the net when the Pens scored on the powerplay (I think it was the powerplay). He looked very good there as well, like he's been doing it his entire career.

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That's another thing.

Jordan Staal is the same height as Eric Tangradi, Tangradi is now 230lbs, Jordan Staal is 220lbs. I mean even looking at Staal without his shirt on in pics people post, he looks like he could still bulk up a little. Tangradi is all about the girth .

Tangradi is a thick guy, he doesn't look like he has a strong upper body and weak lower body, he looks proportionate and sturdy, perfect for the net front presence type. Veilleux is top heavy, but in the recent pics he seems like he's evening out with muscle mass all over.



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It's going to be a big year for Veilleux. I really want him to put it all together, because from everything you hear about the kid, he is oozing with potential.. plus he's 6'5".

This team needs to have another player with the last 3 letters of "eux" in his last name again too.

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I would say a lot of players drop about 7-10 lbs over the course of a season anyway due to the intense cardio. When they're in-season, I think what work is done with weights is centered on maintaining strength as opposed to adding bulk. Adding weight in the gym over the offseason is probably mostly about ensuring your playing weight doesn't drop below where you want it to be halfway through your season.

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It's going to be a big year for Veilleux. I really want him to put it all together, because from everything you hear about the kid, he is oozing with potential.. plus he's 6'5".

This team needs to have another player with the last 3 letters of "eux" in his last name again too.
Doesn't hurt that he has a freakish resemblance to that famous "eux" as well.

I thought Veilleux finally got over that injury prone hump last year, now he needs to make up for those years by bulking up and working on his flaws, I really want to see him pan out as well. Something about a 6'5" winger in the top 6 is just intriguing and not in a Mike Rupp kind of way.

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I personally see tangradi a fit with geno as a pure power forward that has some playmaking ability but mostly is effective around the net. I'd rather have him be more effective punishing people down low than worry about him keeping up with Sid. If he could do both, then great, but that's asking quite a bit.

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Doesn't hurt that he has a freakish resemblance to that famous "eux" as well.

I thought Veilleux finally got over that injury prone hump last year, now he needs to make up for those years by bulking up and working on his flaws, I really want to see him pan out as well. Something about a 6'5" winger in the top 6 is just intriguing and not in a Mike Rupp kind of way.
Well not just any winger. He's a right winger. That's something this team is going to need.

I mean just to think...

Neal - Crosby - Bennett
Tangradi - Malkin - Veilleux

...in a few years, if everything works out well? I'm crossing everything I can possibly cross that it all works out the way we hope.

edit: Throw in a line of...

Jeffrey - Staal - Kuhnhackl

...lol now I'm just getting ridiculous though. It would be a miracle if things all worked out that perfectly.

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I would say a lot of players drop about 7-10 lbs over the course of a season anyway due to the intense cardio. When they're in-season, I think what work is done with weights is centered on maintaining strength as opposed to adding bulk. Adding weight in the gym over the offseason is probably mostly about ensuring your playing weight doesn't drop below where you want it to be halfway through your season.
I was thinking about that, maybe it's time the NHL made the All-star break an actual proper break for players to recharge. Like at least a week and a half.

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Well not just any winger. He's a right winger. That's something this team is going to need.

I mean just to think...

Neal - Crosby - Bennett
Tangradi - Malkin - Veilleux

...in a few years, if everything works out well? I'm crossing everything I can possibly cross that it all works out the way we hope.
The size on that 2nd line would be incredible, 6'4", 6'3", 6'5"...

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I don't think thats necessary.

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People hear 230 and think it's crazy big because most guys are 5'10" and they get pretty bulky at 185. I'm 6'5" and I'd be close to Nugent-Hopkins skinny at 185. If Tangradi is a legit 6'4" then 230 doesn't seem "too big" to me.

6'4" 230 is a large human, my friend. Not saying he's built like a fullback or something but for a hockey player that is large. In fact you don't really want a guy any heavier than that as it probably would impact their speed / endurance pretty substantially unless they were taller than that.

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The size on that 2nd line would be incredible, 6'4", 6'3", 6'5"...
I know... Thankfully if I can't ever have it in real life, I can always make sure it happens in NHL11.

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I personally see tangradi a fit with geno as a pure power forward that has some playmaking ability but mostly is effective around the net. I'd rather have him be more effective punishing people down low than worry about him keeping up with Sid. If he could do both, then great, but that's asking quite a bit.
Tangradi is more of a playmaker than a goalscorer I think. He seems to handle the puck very well and is able to dish out some clean passes, it's not like power forwards can't be more playmaker than goalscorer, take a look at Todd Bertuzzi's numbers. He's always been more of a playmaker than a goal scorer in in NHL career. His assists are almost double his goals. He has never had a season in the NHL where he scored more goals than he had assists, I would say Shanahan is more of the goal scoring type of powerforward. If we are using those two as a basis of which "type" of powerforwards there are, Tangradi is more like a Bertuzzi.

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6'4" 230 is a large human, my friend. Not saying he's built like a fullback or something but for a hockey player that is large. In fact you don't really want a guy any heavier than that as it probably would impact their speed / endurance pretty substantially unless they were taller than that.
It is massive when you look around the league at guys you thought were "filled out." Backes is 225lbs for 6'3" and he looks gargantuan, Tangradi has a good 7lbs on him now (232) as well as 1" for height.

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I'm excited about the size gain. No offense to some of you guys but the generalation that you can't get bigger and stay as fast or even faster makes me think that a. You never played sports or b. You did but you never trained properly or if you did train properly you didn't train serious enough. I'm a gym rat and played collegiate football and I can assure with proper dedication and execution and diet its certainly not an issue. He's a professional athlete and I'm sure he's been workin hard with a trainer for sport specified training and working on explosive movements. I think its excellent and shows a true dedication to the type of game he wants to play as well. I'm really excited to see this guy in training camp now.

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I'm excited about the size gain. No offense to some of you guys but the generalation that you can't get bigger and stay as fast or even faster makes me think that a. You never played sports or b. You did but you never trained properly or if you did train properly you didn't train serious enough. I'm a gym rat and played collegiate football and I can assure with proper dedication and execution and diet its certainly not an issue. He's a professional athlete and I'm sure he's been workin hard with a trainer for sport specified training and working on explosive movements. I think its excellent and shows a true dedication to the type of game he wants to play as well. I'm really excited to see this guy in training camp now.
So did Jarome Iginla never play sports, or did he not train properly or hard enough?

The fact is that when you're adding significant bulk, it can be extremely difficult to maintain your previous agility/speed. It's a trade-off for power.

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Just as a sidenote, I think Joe Morrow might be the nicest person on earth:

http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.ht...id=DL|PIT|home

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I have a question about Reid McNeill.

What kind of defenseman is he? I get that he's a defensive defenseman type, but how physical is he? A consistently physical guy?
He's become a conistent physical player. Not a big open ice hitter or anything like that but he'll hit along the boards and battle in the corners to no end. He's not afraid of blocking shots and it's a bad puck mover. He'll stick up for his teammates now as well which is something he added to his game.

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So did Jarome Iginla never play sports, or did he not train properly or hard enough?

The fact is that when you're adding significant bulk, it can be extremely difficult to maintain your previous agility/speed. It's a trade-off for power.
Depends on what you consider significant. Adding 7 to 10 pounds of muscle at tangradis age shouldn't be a factor. The guy is gonna lose some weight naturally anyway during the year so any water he's holding by then will be gone. What I am saying is let's not make much adew out of nothing. I'm just saying why is it so hard to believe its a good thing.

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Neal-Staal-Tangradi as a 2nd line, anyone?

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Neal-Staal-Tangradi as a 2nd line, anyone?
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Im a fan of the 3c model myself, but in a tight checking game (TB, NJD) id love to see this line here and there to bang some bodies.

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Im a fan of the 3c model myself, but in a tight checking game (TB, NJD) id love to see this line here and there to bang some bodies.
Well Tangradi will probably not be playing in the NHL this season, so I can't imagine him being placed on the 2nd line.

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The fact is that when you're adding significant bulk, it can be extremely difficult to maintain your previous agility/speed. It's a trade-off for power.

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Is it wrong that I immediately thought of that scenario too when I first read he bulked up more?

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