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07-06-2011, 05:29 AM
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Sorry but Greiss is terrible. He played for my SEL club last season and after having had markstrom and lack, this guy did not live up to those goalies:

Thomas Greiss 32GP 2.92GAA .901SV%
Wasn't he hung out to dry by his defense for the greater portion of the games?

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Greiss didnt have any help at all.

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If DW could actually now somehow get rid of Nitty, I would pronounce this the best offseason ever.
Nitty>>>>>>>Greiss

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Nitty>>>>>>>Greiss
I don't think its that many, maybe more like

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Greiss didnt have any help at all.
How many Brynäs games did you watch last season?

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Wasn't he hung out to dry by his defense for the greater portion of the games?
He did get hung out to dry quite a bit, but far from all the blame can be put on the defensemen. I think Greiss was really overwhelmed by the change in play between North America and Sweden's Elitserien after spending four years with the Sharks organization. There was an obvious difference between how he played at the start of the season and by the end of the season. It took Greiss several months to rebuild his confidence after a disastrous start, but once he did his play was alright.

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He did get hung out to dry quite a bit, but far from all the blame can be put on the defensemen. I think Greiss was really overwhelmed by the change in play between North America and Sweden's Elitserien after spending four years with the Sharks organization. There was an obvious difference between how he played at the start of the season and by the end of the season. It took Greiss several months to rebuild his confidence after a disastrous start, but once he did his play was alright.
That's the worry I have, that he'd start off poorly here trying to again adjust(even niemi went through a rough patch adjusting to our D) the thing is we won't and can't afford to tank games till he can be an average backup.

The relatively small amount we save isn't worth the ability to pull niemi in his occasional rough starts and have the player's confidence that the backup goalie will close the door on any more goals to allow them to focus on comebacks.

There were definitely times last season when I told myself niitty was just the better goalie of the two, his style was more fun to watch as well being more athletic, and fewer issues stopping pucks above waist-level. I just think with the differences in their styles it's great to have them both.

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The other thing is that putting Sateri in the ECHL is a major step down in competition from what he was doing in Europe. He also fared very well in his brief stint in Worcester for a guy who had just been playing on international ice. Sending him to the ECHL might stunt his development at this point, and my understanding was that he would not be returning to Europe as the Sharks wanted to start his development on North American ice both to get a better judge of his talent and allow our development staff to start working with him.

So if Sateri is going to be in the AHL, we have too many goalies. So I am a bit confused.
It might be possible that Stalock would agree to play a few games in the ECHL when he first gets back as a rehab stint since it'll be what, February 2012 before it's been a full year since the injury. I doubt he's going to do a ton in any league this year.

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Greiss didnt have any help at all.
Poor argument as he had about the same defense as Eddie Lack, Anders Nilsson and Jakob Markstrom had.

Markstrom was about 2.00 GAA with 20 more games played.

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And JP Anderson is still in Juniors for what one more year? Then they have to place him somewhere. So many goalies... no wonder we havent drafted any in the last couple of years.

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And JP Anderson is still in Juniors for what one more year? Then they have to place him somewhere. So many goalies... no wonder we havent drafted any in the last couple of years.
He should be. Thomas Heemskerk become a question though, because I think his jr eligibility is over. like someone (LS?) said, it's possible that DW works out a partnership agreement with another AHL club or two and loans one or two of our goalies to them.

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He should be. Thomas Heemskerk become a question though, because I think his jr eligibility is over. like someone (LS?) said, it's possible that DW works out a partnership agreement with another AHL club or two and loans one or two of our goalies to them.
Heemskerk won't be in juniors (he was overage last season).

Sharks have a slew goalies signed that **will** play pro (most likely in North America) this coming season.

Sharks were a bit handcuffed with ECHL Stockton affiliation as Edmonton had a goalie there too, so they couldn't provide 2 to a single team. Ended up having Sateri and Greiss play in Europe, Heemskerk as overager. Hutton is gone, and those three are looking for a roster spot.

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I just don't see DW loaning players, especially goaltenders, to other organizations...generally when that's done that marks the end of those player's careers with the loaning team.

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I just don't see DW loaning players, especially goaltenders, to other organizations...generally when that's done that marks the end of those player's careers with the loaning team.
I think you have the wrong idea.

Affiliates (ECHL, CHL) can play the heck out of a player. If there's an injury, the guy can be called up.

Sharks still "control" the development of the player.

(I doubt the Sharks will find another AHL team to send a goal to, but Worcester will have 2-4 guys on the roster.)

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I think you have the wrong idea.

Affiliates (ECHL, CHL) can play the heck out of a player. If there's an injury, the guy can be called up.

Sharks still "control" the development of the player.

(I doubt the Sharks will find another AHL team to send a goal to, but Worcester will have 2-4 guys on the roster.)
I don't have the wrong idea, I just accidentally left "AHL" out of my post. ECHL loans happen all the time, but AHL loans to other organizations generally don't happen if the loaning team has any interest in keeping that player.

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I don't have the wrong idea, I just accidentally left "AHL" out of my post. ECHL loans happen all the time, but AHL loans to other organizations generally don't happen if the loaning team has any interest in keeping that player.
Didn't Edmonton work out loan deals for Jeff Deslauriers/Devan Dubnyk a few years ago? Granted IIRC that was a bit different because the Oil shared an AHL team with another NHL franchise and they didn't have the space to put all their goalies on the same roster.

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Didn't Edmonton work out loan deals for Jeff Deslauriers/Devan Dubnyk a few years ago? Granted IIRC that was a bit different because the Oil shared an AHL team with another NHL franchise and they didn't have the space to put all their goalies on the same roster.
Yeah, without a team of their own they were at the mercy of placing guys wherever they could find a spot.

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Yeah, without a team of their own they were at the mercy of placing guys wherever they could find a spot.
that is technically the same as the sharks are in right now, it just so happened that a few years in a row the sharks went goalie crazy and picked 3 or 4 quality goalies that all should be starting in the ahl at basically the same time.

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that is technically the same as the sharks are in right now, it just so happened that a few years in a row the sharks went goalie crazy and picked 3 or 4 quality goalies that all should be starting in the ahl at basically the same time.
Right now there are 6 healthy goaltenders and 6 spots, so it isn't an issue. So DW has until Stalock can play to figure something out.

And just as an FYI, should DW decide to take one of the two likely headed to Worcester (Greiss/Sateri) and loan them out to another AHL team after the AHL season starts they cannot rejoin Worcester at a later point in the season if they play a single game for the other AHL team (the exception would be if their NHL rights were traded, then they could go back to Worcester)

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Didn't Edmonton work out loan deals for Jeff Deslauriers/Devan Dubnyk a few years ago? Granted IIRC that was a bit different because the Oil shared an AHL team with another NHL franchise and they didn't have the space to put all their goalies on the same roster.
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Yeah, without a team of their own they were at the mercy of placing guys wherever they could find a spot.
Edmonton didn't have an AHL affiliate; Dubnyk spent most of his development with Stockton.



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Right now there are 6 healthy goaltenders and 6 spots, so it isn't an issue. So DW has until Stalock can play to figure something out.
AFAIK, there are 7 goalies (six healthy) and four spots (NHL/AHL).

The Sharks may or may not extend/renew affiliation with ECHL Stockton. I'm not aware they have any (current) AA minor affiliation.

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Edmonton didn't have an AHL affiliate; Dubnyk spent most of his development with Stockton.
He spent one season there, and then 2.5ish seasons with Springfield in the AHL....that's hardly "most".

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AFAIK, there are 7 goalies (six healthy) and four spots (NHL/AHL).

The Sharks may or may not extend/renew affiliation with ECHL Stockton. I'm not aware they have any (current) AA minor affiliation.
It's 6 for 6.

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