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Why did Bettman not hassle the Rangers in regards to Brad Richards Contract?

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07-06-2011, 04:59 PM
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Why did Bettman not hassle the Rangers in regards to Brad Richards Contract?

Like He did with New Jersey last year, why was there no resistance with Brad Richard's Contract?

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If I remember correctly... the contract they gave Kovalchuk wasn't going to run out until he was 46. Which yeah, common sense says no way that's happening.

At least with Richards he'll be in late 30's or early 40's when his deal runs out. Much more believable.

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They changed the rules for contracts after the Kovalchuk fiasco and part of that deal was that contracts like the Richards one (ends when he is 39) weren't going to be challenged. The league will probably look to close this loophole in the next CBA because it is clearly cap circumention. But the league won't do anything about it.

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Because it followed the current guidlines regarding these type of contracts.

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07-06-2011, 05:03 PM
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Per Gord Miller's twitter

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My cap gurus tell me that the contract is legal...it's a little complicated. First, Kovy's contract took him to age 46, Richards to age 40.
(He later corrected that Kovy's would take him to 44)
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The CBA also says that in any year, a contract cannot drop by more than 50% of the 1st or 2nd year, whichever is lower.
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Richards makes $12m in each of the first two years, which means the drop from one year to the next can be $6m. He can go from $7m to $1m.
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Richards contract complies with the terms of the CBA and will be approved

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Because the richards contract follows suit with all the other cap cheat contracts.

The devils got way too greedy with their ridiculous "kovy plays to 46" contract

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Because it does not violate the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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Because it does not violate the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Not much else you can say but this.

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Team should be able to sign whatever contracts they want. But a percentage of the salary should stay as part of the cap even if a player retires.

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Because it does not violate the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
technically kovy's didnt either, but his was just too much for the league to let by. Setting the precedence that putting in like 7 years of a contract that will never be played would be very bad.

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It passed the smell test. The Kovy contract was rotten from a mile away.

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Because the NHL agreed, after winning concessions from the NHLPA in regards to the 40+ rule, to table contesting these contracts until the rules can be re-designed for the next CBA.

The NHLPA agreed to stricter rules for long-term contracts that go past the age of 40, and in exchange, as long as the contract doesn't violate the letter of the law, the league agreed to not contest front-loaded contracts for the duration of the current CBA.

Is that fair? Probably not, but that's the way the league has decided to limp around this problem until next summer.

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Team should be able to sign whatever contracts they want. But a percentage of the salary should stay as part of the cap even if a player retires.
doesn't help.

All a salary cap team has to do is trade the player right before he retires to a salary floor team in exchange for nothing, then the salary floor team gets a free cap hit without paying any salary.

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Because the Rangers are not the Devils.

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I don't think salaries should be able to drop off to a tenth of what they are making in the first season ... just my opinion ... maybe it's biased because Burke wouldn't do it? ... But I think its more logical and obvious cheating that the new CBA will probably correct, but it is a nice cap-hit for Richards and the rangers congratz

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Because the richards contract follows suit with all the other cap cheat contracts.

The devils got way too greedy with their ridiculous "kovy plays to 46" contract
Kovalchuks 17 year deal ran til he was 44. 1 year longer then loungo supposed legal contract.

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Kovalchuks 17 year deal ran til he was 44. 1 year longer then loungo supposed legal contract.
luongo's contract has 3 - 4 blatant cap cheat years (depending on how you look at it), similar to many other contracts

kovy had 6 or 7

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It passed the smell test. The Kovy contract was rotten from a mile away.
You can go a step further. After the Kovalchuk contract, there is no more smell test. It's no longer abstract. No year of a deal may drop more than half the salary in year one or two (whichever is lowest). The Richards contract drops exactly half of years one and two, in one year, and is therefore in compliance.

There are also age provisions to the new rules, but since Richards was not signed past 40, they don't apply in this case.

The Kovalchuk case established the posts, OP. It did not get applied to past contracts, but it now affects all subsequent contracts. It's no longer a vague tasting of the wind to decide if a contract smells funny. It's either in compliance, or it's a violation of the rules they establsihed after Kovalchuk's contract.

Now, in the next CBA, expect the league to push to close the loopholes further. This is a temporary solution.

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Maybe they should look into punished teams that trade or bury their long term contracts at the end when the contract looks like certain circumvention. Like the end of the Richards and Ehrhoff deals are pretty low and if they get sent off the team for those final few years, I'd throw a penalty their way.

At the very least, the Devils took their punishment at the beginning instead of the end of the deal. If Kovy ends his deal early as well, I wouldn't be upset if Gary and Daly fined us either. Consistency is key

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Because they followed the letter of the law after Kovy-gate.

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Maybe they should look into punished teams that trade or bury their long term contracts at the end when the contract looks like certain circumvention. Like the end of the Richards and Ehrhoff deals are pretty low and if they get sent off the team for those final few years, I'd throw a penalty their way.

At the very least, the Devils took their punishment at the beginning instead of the end of the deal. If Kovy ends his deal early as well, I wouldn't be upset if Gary and Daly fined us either. Consistency is key
Richards pretty much cannot be buried, he has a NMC.

So...it's not really a valid concern for the league.

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luongo's contract has 3 - 4 blatant cap cheat years (depending on how you look at it), similar to many other contracts

kovy had 6 or 7
So 4 is absolutely fine. But 6 my gawd in heaven...shock and awe.... That der circumvention!

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Like He did with New Jersey last year, why was there no resistance with Brad Richard's Contract?
because its a completly logical contract?

how much would you pay a slowing down almost 40 year centre? more then 1million?

i think 1million is the correct amount to pay a player at that age and the contract is structured to recognize how much he should be paid at that age.

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If the league had a chart saying "If you do this.... that's your penalty" and so on and so forth, we wouldn't be scratching our heads, wondering what's valid and what's "illegal".

The Flyers circumvented the cap in the Talbot deal, yet, they'll get a "Mutombo finger wave" and walk away scot-free.

That's what pisses me off. The league decides who and when to fine a team and that's pure garbage IMO. Where does it say in the CBA that if a rule is broken when it comes to contracts that a 1st round pick, a 3rd round pick and several millions are the penalty for such actions?

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Because the Rangers are not the Devils.
I don't know how you could even compare the two. Kovy's contract was absolutely insane. It was like Lou was trying to get the NHL front office to say something.

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