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07-09-2011, 12:57 PM
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Jesus Christ. Now we don't want Stamkos because he's not a "playoff performer" at 21 years old. I've seen it all on this board.
Whatever we would trade for him would already be losing more than we gain. People on these boards just want that one big star, whether it improves the team or not. In this case, I doubt it would, as we'd be giving away multiple top assets for an elite goalscorer. And you can't argue with me that he was invisible in the playoffs

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Really?? if we take out Plekanec and Patches but add Stamkos = worse next year??
Who would play the role of St. Louis?

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As much as I'd love to get Stamkos I wouldn't be willing to gut the team to get him. I'd take my chances with an offer sheet that could cost us four first round picks, but once you start throwing around names like Subban, Price, and Plekanec it's just not worth it.

I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up signing a massive contract to stay in Tampa though.

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Too much IMO,

I think it starts with a young player like a desharnais or Eller and end with multiple first rounders

Tampas Bay is not on Rebuild.....no way they do this......

29 team in the leagues wants Stamkos. This Trade starts with Plekanec and +++

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That photo is hilarious! Subban's chubby face is soooooo funny.

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Gomez
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Two 1st rounders.

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Really?? if we take out Plekanec and Patches but add Stamkos = worse next year??
Only on HFBoards...

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Really?? if we take out Plekanec and Patches but add Stamkos = worse next year??
Yea, I think our depth would fall off considerably after the first line. Plus, who would feed Stamkos the puck, Cammalleri? Stamkos on the Habs just doesn't make sense for so many reasons. Plus, we'd probably end up giving up more than what that other poster said we would.

EDIT: I see no one bothered arguing that Stamkos was invisible in the playoffs. At least Datsyuk was noticeable early on in his playoff career. As was Gomez.

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Who would play the role of St. Louis?

We dont have any player like St-Louis in Mtl but Cammaleri would probably be the best bet to play with Stampy.

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Stamkos is overrated. Marty St. Louis is what makes him. Without Marty I bet Stamkos is a 35 goal scorer max 40.
I'm reluctant to say he's overrated but he is def getting help from Marty.

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Yea, I think our depth would fall off considerably after the first line. Plus, who would feed Stamkos the puck, Cammalleri? Stamkos on the Habs just doesn't make sense for so many reasons. Plus, we'd probably end up giving up more than what that other poster said we would.

EDIT: I see no one bothered arguing that Stamkos was invisible in the playoffs. At least Datsyuk was noticeable early on in his playoff career. As was Gomez.
Not that much...

Cammy-Stamkos-AK
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Mtl would take that deal without thinking twice....

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07-09-2011, 01:08 PM
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That photo is hilarious! Subban's chubby face is soooooo funny.
SUBBAN WAS THE CAPTAIN

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I'm reluctant to say he's overrated but he is def getting help from Marty.
Pretty sure that's what linemates do. I guess Lafleur was somehow lessened by being fed by Lemaire and Shutt.... sheesh

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EDIT: I see no one bothered arguing that Stamkos was invisible in the playoffs. At least Datsyuk was noticeable early on in his playoff career. As was Gomez.
Maybe you only started following Hockey this season.

It's a known fact that young star players have a hard time in their first couple playoffs.

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07-09-2011, 01:14 PM
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Pretty sure that's what linemates do. I guess Lafleur was somehow lessened by being fed by Lemaire and Shutt.... sheesh
It's the Pizza line syndrome.

Heatley sucks, he's getting help from Spezza and Alfredsson.

Spezza sucks, he's getting help from Heatley and Alfredsson.

Alfredsson sucks, he's getting help from Spezza and Heatley.

It's like first liners have to score 45 goals and 100 points with ****** linemates to be elite players. Which never happens, btw.

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Stamkos is playing for a great team, that is under good hands, in a place where it's always summer. No way Stamkos wants to get traded. Tell them Vinny what its about...



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Who would play the role of St. Louis?
Markov, he makes everybody else on the team better.

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We are not allowed to discuss the reliability of these sources in this thread.....so sayeth the Mods.
It's all in the thread title. Non-Credible = non-reliable in my book.

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07-09-2011, 01:23 PM
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my offering would have to be

1)plekanec
2)Pax
3)Tinordi
4)Weber
5)1st 2012 +2nd 2013

I think that would be fair value for Stamkos. Plex fills the center void, pax fills the top line wing spot, and tinord and Weber will replace the aging Kubina and clark.

Not sure if this makes us better with Stamkos really... may just wanna stand pat.

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07-09-2011, 01:25 PM
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I see it completely differently than you. By definition, there are only 30 starting goalies in the NHL and very few of them are perennial All Stars. In fact, I'd say the old days of 5 or 6 dominant goalies is better then today's crop. It seems there's a different goalie that makes a splash every year with a few corner stone goalies around. Miller, Luongo(?) can't think of many more franchise goalies. In comparison, there's a plethora of forwards that score 40 goals and get 90+ points every year. Sedins, Ovy, Crosby, Malkin, Thronton, Iginla, St. Louis, etc etc etc. Many teams have top 3 forwards that alternate scoring each and every year. There's a constant change in the league leaders in points every year.

Due to the fact there are less goalies than forwards, it's a default that a franchise goalie should be more valuable then a forward more often then not.

As for Hasek not winning the cup for Buffalo, well he took them to the finals and was beaten by an illegal goal. As for Osgood, well most any goalie could have won a cup with so many All Stars on Detroit.

Finally, Stamkos has 6 goals in 18 games in the Playoffs. Not exactly inspirational and nothing more then what Price has done. Not to mention that goalie position is a much more stressful position than a forward is.

So all things being equal, Stamkos, Price and Markov in Montreal is far better then Stamkos, PK and FA goalie B in Montreal IMO.
The bolded part is your problem right there. Luongo shouldn't be in that list, and you can go with a huge number of other candidates (Rinne, Kipper, Lundqvist, etc) who are a lot better. Actually, if your idea of a franchise goalie is Luongo, no wonder you think Price is so valuable.

Also, about the last sentence.. not sure what Markov has to do in there... and it's more like this :

Stamkos, Price < Stamkos, Subban, Vokoun*

*that could be your UFA goalie, or Roloson, or ...

The difference between a Vokoun and a Price is nowhere near worth losing Subban especially since Price hasn't proven he was capable of staying at the same level/upping his game to another level come playoffs time.

But we'll be wasting our time arguing about this. There's too big of a bridge to gap. We just see things completely differently.


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07-09-2011, 01:26 PM
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my offering would have to be

1)plekanec
2)Pax
3)Tinordi
4)Weber
5)1st 2012 +2nd 2013

I think that would be fair value for Stamkos. Plex fills the center void, pax fills the top line wing spot, and tinord and Weber will replace the aging Kubina and clark.

Not sure if this makes us better with Stamkos really... may just wanna stand pat.
Stamkos is a heck of a player, but when you have to give up 4 NHLers and 2 good picks, it's not worth it.

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07-09-2011, 01:26 PM
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Plekanec
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first rounder 2012
first rounder 2013
second rounder 2012

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stamkos

Thats my offer, if they want a younger player at center maybe eller or desharnais instead and someone like Nash to top it off

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I think that since the Lightning organization values Desharnais, we should leverage that in the trade.

Boucher had said that Desharnais was the best player in Hamilton, he liked him more than Pacioretty.

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I think that since the Lightning organization values Desharnais, we should leverage that in the trade.

Boucher had said that Desharnais was the best player in Hamilton, he liked him more than Pacioretty.
Yeah I remember that too, they might treat him like a throw in though

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The bolded part is your problem right there. Luongo shouldn't be in that list, and you can go with a huge number of other candidates (Rinne, Kipper, Lundqvist, etc) who are a lot better. Actually, if your idea of a franchise goalie is Luongo, no wonder you think Price is so valuable.

Also, about the last sentence.. not sure what Markov has to do in there... and it's more like this :

Stamkos, Price < Stamkos, Subban, Vokoun*

*that could be your UFA goalie, or Roloson, or ...

The difference between a Vokoun and a Price is nowhere near Subban especially since Price hasn't proven he was capable of staying at the same level/upping his game to another level come playoffs time.

But we'll be wasting our time arguing about this. There's too big of a bridge to gap. We just see things completely differently.
That's about the only thing I do agree with you. No bridging this gap of who's more important to the Habs. I can't even see how you think PK is more integral then Price. In any case, I'm happy we have both! Let's keep them and add Stamkos!

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