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07-09-2011, 01:35 PM
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I think that since the Lightning organization values Desharnais, we should leverage that in the trade.

Boucher had said that Desharnais was the best player in Hamilton, he liked him more than Pacioretty.
Trading Desharnais right now would be a giant mistake as he'd be nothing more than a throw in.

You don't trade a guy who displays that much hockey sense and will to compete as if he were a mere throw in. It's a deadly combination when mixed together. I think we have a player on our hands in Desharnais if only we are willing to recognize the talent and put it to use. If Martin is smart and stops worrying so much about his job safety and starts worrying more about what's right for the organization Desharnais will be worth a lot more to the habs than being a near worthless throw in. But then again, seeing how the habs squander assets left and right... maybe it would be best to trade him before we ruin his value.

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Trading Desharnais right now would be a giant mistake as he'd be nothing more than a throw in.

You don't trade a guy who displays that much hockey sense and will to compete as if he were a mere throw in. It's a deadly combination when mixed together. I think we have a player on our hands in Desharnais if only we are willing to recognize the talent and put it to use. If Martin is smart and stops worrying so much about his job safety and starts worrying more about what's right for the organization Desharnais will be worth a lot more to the habs than being a near worthless throw in.
?????

He'sa center. If we acquire Stamkos, we have less need for centers for many years to come.

Desharnais would be a less of a throw in as TB would value more than other teams him due to Boucher's opinion of him. He would dampen the cost of a Stamkos trade.

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Of course Stamkos is a top5 talent in the NHL, but I'm not sure I want PG to trade for him.. It would cost ALOT. I'm not sure I'm willing to trade all our core pieces for one guy. I'd rather wait for the summer of 2013 and sign Crosby

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Of course Stamkos is a top5 talent in the NHL, but I'm not sure I want PG to trade for him.. It would cost ALOT. I'm not sure I'm willing to trade all our core pieces for one guy. I'd rather wait for the summer of 2013 and sign Crosby
Now we are talking..

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I'd take this rumour with a grain of salt... then I'd add a slice of lime and some tequila!

Here's a tweet from the same source on Jun.30th:

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This whole Stamkos thing will get totally out of proportion in no time.

The reaction here is like a teenager who's all excited because he sleeps with this guy's hot girlfriend. If she does it to him, she's very likely to do it to you!

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Trading Desharnais right now would be a giant mistake as he'd be nothing more than a throw in.

You don't trade a guy who displays that much hockey sense and will to compete as if he were a mere throw in. It's a deadly combination when mixed together. I think we have a player on our hands in Desharnais if only we are willing to recognize the talent and put it to use. If Martin is smart and stops worrying so much about his job safety and starts worrying more about what's right for the organization Desharnais will be worth a lot more to the habs than being a near worthless throw in. But then again, seeing how the habs squander assets left and right... maybe it would be best to trade him before we ruin his value.
In the big picture of acquiring Stamkos, I dont see the Habs balking at a deal because they refuse to throw in DD. If they did, then I'd be REALLY pissed. DDs heart is one thing, natural 50 goal scoring ability is another. I don't see how throwing him in is even a consideration.

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07-09-2011, 01:52 PM
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I'd take this rumour with a grain of salt... then I'd add a slice of lime and some tequila!

Here's a tweet from the same source on Jun.30th:




This whole Stamkos thing will get totally out of proportion in no time.

The reaction here is like a teenager who's all excited because he sleeps with this guy's hot girlfriend. If she does it to him, she's very likely to do it to you!
Agreed but it did come out during that period that the lightning offered him a huge 37 over 5 years contract, and his agent even said that it was close

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Maybe you only started following Hockey this season.

It's a known fact that young star players have a hard time in their first couple playoffs.
I feel like you completely missed out on what I said. And try not to let what people say on the internet offend you. Everyone knows people struggle in the playoffs their first few times. Not every player is as invisible though. I just feel that on a team without a player like St. Louis, he'd be even less noticeable in the playoffs than he was this year.

He'll probably grow and mature, but right now his attitude seems to be an issue if he's having the types of problems with the team that he shouldn't be having at this point in time.

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In the big picture of acquiring Stamkos, I dont see the Habs balking at a deal because they refuse to throw in DD. If they did, then I'd be REALLY pissed. DDs heart is one thing, natural 50 goal scoring ability is another. I don't see how throwing him in is even a consideration.
I doubt TB would even trade Stamkos in the first place. It's just the wild rumors from non-credible source thread where anything can happen and is happening at any given second.

But if they wanted to trade him, I doubt they'd hold out for Desharnais. I'd think we could replace Desharnais with another name, a pick or a prospect. I'd rather keep Desharnais than say Leblanc, Tinordi, Kristo.

Obviously if DD is the deal breaker, then you do it. But the way I see things he'd not be the centerpiece of such a deal, which means that we could use another player as throw in.

I doubt Yzerman is going to bend over backwards just so Boucher can get a kid he coached in the AHL. DD doesn't have that much value at the moment and the original post somewhat implies Boucher/Yzerman are dumb and would overvalue Desharnais. I doubt that's the case.

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07-09-2011, 02:01 PM
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I doubt TB would even trade Stamkos in the first place. It's just the wild rumors from non-credible source thread where anything can happen and is happening at any given second.

But if they wanted to trade him, I doubt they'd hold out for Desharnais. I'd think we could replace Desharnais with another name, a pick or a prospect. I'd rather keep Desharnais than say Leblanc, Tinordi, Kristo.

Obviously if DD is the deal breaker, then you do it. But the way I see things he'd not be the centerpiece of such a deal, which means that we could use another player as throw in.

I doubt Yzerman is going to bend over backwards just so Boucher can get a kid he coached in the AHL. DD doesn't have that much value at the moment and the original post somewhat implies Boucher/Yzerman are dumb and would overvalue Desharnais. I doubt that's the case.
I think they would value Desharnais more than other teams.

I would keep DD over Kristo, Leblanc; but I'd rather have Tinordi than any of those.

My point is that with Boucher's knowledge of DD's ability, we might be able to keep a Tinordi or a Pacioretty by offering DD, whereas normally that would be impossible.

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07-09-2011, 02:03 PM
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In comparison, there's a plethora of forwards that score 40 goals and get 90+ points every year. Sedins, Ovy, Crosby, Malkin, Thronton, Iginla, St. Louis, etc etc etc.
A plethora? Last year there was 5 players over 90 points and 5 scored over 40 goals. That is not a plethora.

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he already responded to this, said agents never lie, and to be fair everyone does.

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I think they would value Desharnais more than other teams.

I would keep DD over Kristo, Leblanc; but I'd rather have Tinordi than any of those.

My point is that with Boucher's knowledge of DD's ability, we might be able to keep a Tinordi or a Pacioretty by offering DD, whereas normally that would be impossible.
Or tampa could ask for DD instead of the 3rd round pick in 2012 we wanted to give. Goes both ways. You're still assuming Yzerman is retarded because his coach liked a player he coached in the AHL.

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Time to stop with the Stamkos stuff. If anyone is *breaking* the inconceivable, it'll be @erlendssontrib more than likely.

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So we don't want to give up Subban, Price, Pacioretty or Desharnais for Stamkos? How do we get him then?

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can you say "negotiation tactic"?

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So we don't want to give up Subban, Price, Pacioretty or Desharnais for Stamkos? How do we get him then?
Halak, Ryder and 2nd???

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I'd take this rumour with a grain of salt... then I'd add a slice of lime and some tequila!

Here's a tweet from the same source on Jun.30th:




This whole Stamkos thing will get totally out of proportion in no time.

The reaction here is like a teenager who's all excited because he sleeps with this guy's hot girlfriend. If she does it to him, she's very likely to do it to you!
well, this tweet from IBN was based on truth. when that tweet came out, Tampa was on the verge of making an offer that everyone in the organization thought would get the deal done. Stamkos turned it down but apparently it was a great offer.
So at the time it was right.

Now, in all of this, I think what is missing is Stamkos is showing he wants to play for a Hockey City. if (IF) the teams mentioned are some of the teams he wants to play for, he wants to play somewhere that hockey matters. Don't forget a hockey star in Tampa gets a few endorsement deals, but put him in a hockey city and the deals get rich. Ie nike, rebook, easton, bell, tim hortons, gatorade etc.

Combine that with the fact that he feels TBay is trying to low ball him and I could understand the want to go elsewhere, however I do see this as a negotiating maneuver and would think TBay is still leading the way.

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well, this tweet from IBN was based on truth. when that tweet came out, Tampa was on the verge of making an offer that everyone in the organization thought would get the deal done. Stamkos turned it down but apparently it was a great offer.
So at the time it was right.

Now, in all of this, I think what is missing is Stamkos is showing he wants to play for a Hockey City. if (IF) the teams mentioned are some of the teams he wants to play for, he wants to play somewhere that hockey matters. Don't forget a hockey star in Tampa gets a few endorsement deals, but put him in a hockey city and the deals get rich. Ie nike, rebook, easton, bell, tim hortons, gatorade etc.

Combine that with the fact that he feels TBay is trying to low ball him and I could understand the want to go elsewhere, however I do see this as a negotiating maneuver and would think TBay is still leading the way.
The problem with that is that TB has the 2nd lowest income taxes league wide. Something like 13% lower than Mtl. He'd have to get quite the endorsement deal for it to overcome that loss. As well as the fact he wouldn't be playing somewhere sunny with Marty St-Louis anymore.

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The problem with that is that TB has the 2nd lowest income taxes league wide. Something like 13% lower than Mtl.
I'm sure he could get 1 or 2 million dollars a year in endorsements in Montreal or Toronto.

He would get alot more than that.

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