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What are you looking for in a forward? PICK 5 ATTRIBUTES!

View Poll Results: Pick 5 attributes...
Hockey Sense / Play-Making Ability 106 77.37%
Scoring Touch / Shot Power and Accuracy 104 75.91%
Skating / Speedn and Agility 120 87.59%
Two-Way Game / Defensive Responsibility 67 48.91%
Size / Strength on the Puck 65 47.45%
Toughness / Willingness to go to the Dirty Areas 66 48.18%
Grit / Relentless Activity on the Ice 63 45.99%
Leadership / Leading by Example 27 19.71%
Chemistry / Working well within a System 33 24.09%
Enigmatic Talent / Unpredictable but Exciting 8 5.84%
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07-21-2011, 05:59 PM
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What are you looking for in a forward? PICK 5 ATTRIBUTES!

Don't forget to vote as I'm trying to assess what Habs fans look for in a forward...

You get to pick 5 attributes (just 5!) you feel are key...

Fire away!


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07-21-2011, 06:05 PM
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I'll resume in one name, the perfect forward in my opinion:

Jarome Iginla

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I'll resume in one name, the perfect forward in my opinion:

Jarome Iginla
Good pick... If I had to choose a player that personifies what I like in a forward, it would have to be:

Pavel Datsyuk

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Scoring, Skating, Size, Grit, Chemistry

That's what I think the Habs need right now.

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Scoring, Skating, Size, Grit, Chemistry

That's what I think the Habs need right now.
I agree with you 100%.

I am surprised (not really ) that chemistry is not getting more votes. All we have to do is look back at last season and see the change in the effectiveness of Kostitsyn when he went from Plek's line to a wide variety of different lines.

Ditto for Moen being moved up to the Gomez line during the playoffs when it was obvious to everyone but Martin that he had absolutely NO CHEMISTRY with Gomez and Gionta.

Great thread and poll boomboommax.

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Hockey sense is #1 in my book. What's speed without knowing how to use it? Forechecking is more about knowing when to pursue and how to play angles than it is speed. Similarly, a good scoring touch without knowing how to find open spaces and slip into gaps in coverage is useless.

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Speed, size, grit, scoring and hockey sense for me... a rare talent indeed

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Hockey sense, Scoring touch, Skating ability, Size and Toughness.

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Hockey sense is #1 in my book. What's speed without knowing how to use it? Forechecking is more about knowing when to pursue and how to play angles than it is speed. Similarly, a good scoring touch without knowing how to find open spaces and slip into gaps in coverage is useless.
You cannot teach speed, size, scoring touch or grit.

A coach can teach "hockey sense" to a player. Look at the players who are just average players and then look at them when they are traded to the Red Wings. Their game and hockey sense is quickly elevated.......by great coaching.

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You cannot teach speed, size, scoring touch or grit.

A coach can teach "hockey sense" to a player. Look at the players who are just average players and then look at them when they are traded to the Red Wings. Their game and hockey sense is quickly elevated.......by great coaching.
I don't think the Wings teach anyone hockey sense.

In fact, the Wings draft players who have hockey sense but lack all of what you've mentioned, precisely because they believe hockey sense is paramount. Bit of a strange example considering they themselves contradict precisely what you're saying.

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Hockey sense is #1 in my book. What's speed without knowing how to use it? Forechecking is more about knowing when to pursue and how to play angles than it is speed. Similarly, a good scoring touch without knowing how to find open spaces and slip into gaps in coverage is useless.
Agreed Mike, it's one of the things that put Wayne Gretzky above everyone else. Everyone talks about how there were more skilled players around, but don't seem to count Gretzky's hockey sense as a skill, because it's more difficult to measure.

Tie Domi could skate like the wind, but didn't have a clue where to be or what to do. You'd see the puck and he'd be chasing after it, no matter how far out of position it would take him.

Great comment about forechecking as well. Some say Wayne Gretzky was the best forechecker ever as well.

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You cannot teach speed, size, scoring touch or grit.

A coach can teach "hockey sense" to a player. Look at the players who are just average players and then look at them when they are traded to the Red Wings. Their game and hockey sense is quickly elevated.......by great coaching.
Can't agree with this, hockey sense is an instinct, the Red Wings teach a system, nothing more.

Crosby vs Ovy, Crosby has it in spades, ovy is more naturally talented, but doesn't have the hockey sense of Sid the kid or the Sedins even.

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I'd go with Rick Nash as my fave forward.

Skating Scoring Playmaking Toughness Hockey Sense

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Hockey sense is THE attribute. Tons of big and speedy guys have tried but couldn't stick around just because of hockey sense. Obviously, if you are 3'2'' and 76lbs, chances are hockey sense won't be enough....So you need other attributes. But hockey sense is a clear #1 in my mind.

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You cannot teach speed, size, scoring touch or grit.

A coach can teach "hockey sense" to a player. Look at the players who are just average players and then look at them when they are traded to the Red Wings. Their game and hockey sense is quickly elevated.......by great coaching.
I think the exact opposite.

You can work on you skating (power skating, training)
scoring touch (practice, shoot a lot of puck, training to have a faster shot)
grit and size (working on how to hit in practice)

hockey sense is just your feel for the game when certain situation happen.

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We have plenty of finishers and two-way players, with a lot of work ethic throughout our lineup.

What we lack is a pure "creator". Someone with great hands, patience, hockey sense and playmaking ability. Essentially one of Datsyuk, Kane, Giroux, Thornton, Sedin, Backstrom. Potential candidates include RNH, Huberdeau, Grigorenko, all of which should be out of reach.

If I had to list it:

1) Hockey sense/Playmaking ability
2) Skating
3) Chemistry
4) Two-way ability
5) Size/Strength

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1. Plays right wing
2. Has cool hair
3. Great slapshot and plays for Montreal
4. First name: Guy
5. Last name: Lafleur

That should do it.

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I think I just created Brian Gionta with my choices. I decided to go with toughness over the size option.

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1. Speed
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4. Grit
5. Offense awareness

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We have plenty of finishers and two-way players, with a lot of work ethic throughout our lineup.

What we lack is a pure "creator". Someone with great hands, patience, hockey sense and playmaking ability. Essentially one of Datsyuk, Kane, Giroux, Thornton, Sedin, Backstrom. Potential candidates include RNH, Huberdeau, Grigorenko, all of which should be out of reach.

If I had to list it:

1) Hockey sense/Playmaking ability
2) Skating
3) Chemistry
4) Two-way ability
5) Size/Strength
Don't you have Plekanec? He knows what to do, he's a much better skater than average, he's your center every wingers want and do I have to talk about his two-way ability? He just don't have size, but give this guy Backes and Iginla and you wouldn't care.

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I think that if someone is tough, can skate and play D (which is half of the hockey sense requirement) - they are a leader. Automatically.

So there is overlap there.

I was tempted to answer: tough, score, skate, sense, defense because that's what a championship team needs. But maybe that's just some of the gaps we've had in our team in the past.

If I were to build the perfect player, it's probably a magnification of the things I do well on my own tiny hockey level. If I'm honest, I have: SOME sense (tho I give the puck away on risky plays too easily sometimes), speed (above average, not lightning), grit, scoring (I have nice shot, but I'm not exactly a sniper), chemistry (I think I do this very well - I've always listened to my coaches and understood that there is always a bigger picture... but that's maybe because I was never an enigmatic player --- an excellent category to add btw, nice job).

All types of players can have huge impacts, so this question will probably prompt many other questions once answered.

Would be fun to see another poll that asks for attributes for scoring lines -- along the same lines.

For instance, Montreal's top line of Cammy-Pleks-AK has:

Scoring, skating, shot power/accuracy, speed/agility (tho AK's agility is poor imo), and hockey sense.


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Don't you have Plekanec? He knows what to do, he's a much better skater than average, he's your center every wingers want and do I have to talk about his two-way ability? He just don't have size, but give this guy Backes and Iginla and you wouldn't care.
I don't think a single Habs fan would ever confuse Pleks with a pure, high-end playmaker. He is what he is because of his speed, work ethic and all-around game. Heck, as much as it pains me to say this, Gomez is a better pure passer than Pleks is.

That being said, if in 3-4 years Eller develops into what we think he can be, I see Pleks as the odd man out - hopefully as a large piece in a trade to get a player with the high-end abilities that this team and prospect pool currently lacks.

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