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03-07-2012, 09:59 AM
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It's a toss-up between the two, IMO.

I wouldn't mind trading down for more picks and picking up a goalie in the 2nd, also.
Drafting goalies is a bad idea at this point. Every year there are a good crop of very talented 20-21-22 year-olds coming out of the NCAA or European leagues that can be gotten for free.

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Trading down isn't a bad option. Just depends on how far. 5-6 spots to pick up an extra 2nd would be ideal, IMO.

I just think with the state of our team and our pipeline, we're in a good position to pick up a kid with some real boom potential.
If we lose in the ECF and get the 28th pick, I wouldn't mind trading down to around 40th and pick up a 2nd and 3rd.

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Drafting goalies is a bad idea at this point. Every year there are a good crop of very talented 20-21-22 year-olds coming out of the NCAA or European leagues that can be gotten for free.
If we can pick up an extra 2nd round pick, I think it'd be worth it. Grab Subban in the early 2nd.

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If we can pick up an extra 2nd round pick, I think it'd be worth it. Grab Subban in the early 2nd.
If Subban is still there in the early 2nd? Its pretty hard to say no to. But there are some really good looking prospects in the 2nd round territory like Tim Bozon and Phillipe Giuseppe that may be available there.

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I can see the point in trading down, but I'd rather see this team trade up, especially if a very talented offensive player drops a bit. We have the organizational depth to make it happen. It's been 7 years since the team traded up in the first round. I think it's time to do it again.

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I enlisted the help of a Western Conference scout to help talk a bit about the 2012 NHL Draft class as a whole, and give some reports on some American prospects he’s seen so far this year.

Last year, around this time, it looked as though the 2012 Draft was going to be long on high-end talent, with great depth. This year, it’s becoming more clear that there is a fair amount of that high-end talent, but a shallow player pool.

The scout agreed saying, “After the first 25 players, there’s a bit of a drop. Once you get past 40 or 50, there’s a huge drop.”

That significant drop off after the first 40-50 players means that there will be some tough decisions from the second round on.

“I think it is going to be hard to find value late,” said the scout. “There are going to be kids that you take educated guesses on that you could go either way. The history of these kids is going to be huge.”
http://unitedstatesofhockey.com/2012...u-s-prospects/

The NHL scout also discussed Matteau and Kerdiles. He sees Matteau going between #15-#25. Kerdiles is a late 1st round pick talent.

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Boo Nieves will play in the USHL this season

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Nieves closed out his high school season at the Kent School in Connecticut last weekend with a semifinal-round loss to St. Sebastian's School (Mass.) in the New England Prep School Ice Hockey Association large-schools tournament.

Nieves made the flight to Indiana on Thursday morning.

Wallack expects Nieves to be in the lineup when his team plays host to the Youngstown Phantoms on Friday in a critical United States Hockey League showdown. The Ice will then battle the Green Bay Gamblers on Saturday.
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The NHL scout also discussed Matteau and Kerdiles. He sees Matteau going between #15-#25. Kerdiles is a late 1st round pick talent.
Matteau going that high would surprise me. He has no real shot at being a top 6 player. Maybe a 5-10% chance.

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I wouldn't mind trading up either. Besides Erixon, we really have no guys who are impact prospects, unless CT and MSC can somehow go against the grain and become offensive dynamos in the NHL. I'd rather forego depth for one really, really bright piece.

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I go one more draft of skill, skill skill at both positions. Namely, stickhandling and shooting. I might even be inclined to try and grab an offensive defenseman with a 3rd or 4th rounder. Just a guy with a big shot who doesnt screw around.

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I go one more draft of skill, skill skill at both positions. Namely, stickhandling and shooting. I might even be inclined to try and grab an offensive defenseman with a 3rd or 4th rounder. Just a guy with a big shot who doesnt screw around.
How often are guys like that available in the 3rd or 4th rounds?

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How often are guys like that available in the 3rd or 4th rounds?
Every year.


Edler was a 3rd rounder. Wideman was an 8th rounder. Chara was a 3rd Rounder. Letang was a 3rd rounder. Yandle was a 4th rounder. Bieksa was a 5th rounder.Buff was an 8th rounder.

I just named some of the best offensive d-men in the game.

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Yakupov hit with a headshot tonight by an Isles prospect...

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/hoc...with-head-shot

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"I thought it was blatantly dirty' Beaulieu said, according to the Canadian Press. "Nail took alot of stitches to the face, it's all marked up. Halmo didn't hit anything else, but his head. We've got to take these hits out of out game and protect our kids."

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Yakupov hit with a headshot tonight by an Isles prospect...

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/hoc...with-head-shot



Yakupov skated cross ice with his head down and kinda fell into the opposing player. I didnt see much wrong with the hit. Hopefully it teaches Yakupov to keep his head up.

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How is Yakupov?

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Looks like Dalton Thrower (D - Saskatoon) is going to miss the remainder of the season with an upper body injury. Hopefully that'll keep him from jumping too far up the board and we can snag him late in the first, or early 2nd if we trade down. Great blend of skating, offense, and physicality on the blue line. Kronwall-esque.

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What do people think of Andrei Makarov? He impressed me in the WJC final, where's he projected to go?

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What do people think of Andrei Makarov? He impressed me in the WJC final, where's he projected to go?
No me gusta los Russians.

Besides guys like Anisimov and Datsyuk, most of them are lazy, selfish pieces of ****. Not saying it applies to all of them, but the damage has been done. I don't like Russians. (Hockey players, that is)

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No me gusta los Russians.

Besides guys like Anisimov and Datsyuk, most of them are lazy, selfish pieces of ****. Not saying it applies to all of them, but the damage has been done. I don't like Russians. (Hockey players, that is)
With forwards...maybe. But how can this apply to goalies? They're already more isolated from the other players on the team as it is. I mean, a goalie can maybe refuse to work with the goalie coach, but that would only classify as lazy, not selfish.

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With forwards...maybe. But how can this apply to goalies? They're already more isolated from the other players on the team as it is. I mean, a goalie can maybe refuse to work with the goalie coach, but that would only classify as lazy, not selfish.
I look at Bryzgalov and classify all Russian goalies as him

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No me gusta los Russians.

Besides guys like Anisimov and Datsyuk, most of them are lazy, selfish pieces of ****. Not saying it applies to all of them, but the damage has been done. I don't like Russians. (Hockey players, that is)
Makes me cringe coming from an "Aspiring Sports Journalist"

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No me gusta los Russians.

Besides guys like Anisimov and Datsyuk, most of them are lazy, selfish pieces of ****. Not saying it applies to all of them, but the damage has been done. I don't like Russians. (Hockey players, that is)
I dont think AO is lazy...maybe you could make the argument he's selfish, but not lazy. I dont think Kovalchuk is lazy either, guy works really hard out there.

I think all the anti-russian sentiments are just ppl jumping on a popular bandwagon.

I dont care where a player is from, as long as our scouts like em, ill believe in em.

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Makes me cringe coming from an "Aspiring Sports Journalist"
If a player is good, a player is good. I can have my own opinion. If I am writing an article, I'm obviously not gonna write that ****, but this is an online forum where I can write what I like.

Just don't like Russian players, just like Brooksie hates Torts.

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No me gusta los Russians.

Besides guys like Anisimov and Datsyuk, most of them are lazy, selfish pieces of ****. Not saying it applies to all of them, but the damage has been done. I don't like Russians. (Hockey players, that is)
Makarov plays in the WHL, low risk of Russian factor

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Makarov plays in the WHL, low risk of Russian factor
That is true.

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