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Anyone saying Kunitz is a 3rd liner is either ignorant or a troll. Or both.
He scores ~50 points year-in and year-out when healthy, plays on the 1st line with Crosby in Pittsburgh, and played on a scoring line with McDonald and Selanne in Anaheim. He's a scoring line winger by any reasonable definition.
Didn't Nash sign that extension after making the playoffs for the 1st time? If he knew what he knew today, then, I wonder if he still re-signs that contract.
The franchise has given up on 4 first rounders (top 10 picks) already in the past 4 years - Zherdev, Brule, Filatov and Voracek.
Sure, Nash seems loyal, but if you play the sport you love and grow up wanting to hoist the Stanley Cup, you take a look at what the team has done since 2008-09 and wonder, "did I make the right choice?"
So ask yourself, how that worked out for Nash. He sure will be rich, if anything.
While TML fans are annoying with the "bring him home!" crap, that team is closer to a playoff birth than the Jackets are in terms of a quality roster. If Nash was a UFA this summer, he's signing elsewhere, maybe the Leafs, maybe someone else entirely.
Can anyone buy this man a clue?
Nash is fully invested. He went with Arniel and Howson to the initial meeting with Jeff Carter. Carter and Nash helped recruit Wisniewski.
If Toronto is closer to a playoff BERTH (unless the Leafs are pregnant) it is because the Eastern Conference is weak compared to the Western Conference. Why do you think Detroit, Nashville and Columbus want to move to the East?
Funny... Kunitz is nothing more than a 3rd line winger? Since when do 3rd line wingers score 25 goals* with no quality center healthy to play on their wing?
Penguins would win this deal, but the exaggeration in this thread is ridiculous. Amazing how every deal I see here on HF includes the Penguins having to massively overpay.
*Kunitz was on pace for 26 goals if he had played a full season without Crosby or Malkin, and with an injured Jordan Staal
Nash is fully invested. He went with Arniel and Howson to the initial meeting with Jeff Carter. Carter and Nash helped recruit Wisniewski.
If Toronto is closer to a playoff BERTH (unless the Leafs are pregnant) it is because the Eastern Conference is weak compared to the Western Conference. Why do you think Detroit, Nashville and Columbus want to move to the East?
They want to move east more cause of travel than competition.I'm sure they would be more competitive don't get me wrong but detroit really gets gangbanged on travel miles.
Nash is fully invested. He went with Arniel and Howson to the initial meeting with Jeff Carter. Carter and Nash helped recruit Wisniewski.
If Toronto is closer to a playoff BERTH (unless the Leafs are pregnant) it is because the Eastern Conference is weak compared to the Western Conference. Why do you think Detroit, Nashville and Columbus want to move to the East?
Do you need a clue?
At this point, Nash will take anything that makes his job easier, Carter does that for him so why wouldn't he? They just gave up a lot to get Carter, so duh, any team that did the same thing, would do that. But you ignored my question, I can see why, I wouldn't want to answer that either if I had to face the truth.
As for the last part...did you fail geography and math?
Look at the map, tell me why it would make sense for them to move to that conference...
Funny... Kunitz is nothing more than a 3rd line winger? Since when do 3rd line wingers score 25 goals* with no quality center healthy to play on their wing?
Penguins would win this deal, but the exaggeration in this thread is ridiculous. Amazing how every deal I see here on HF includes the Penguins having to massively overpay.
*Kunitz was on pace for 26 goals if he had played a full season without Crosby or Malkin, and with an injured Jordan Staal
It's beyond that though...
Leafs fans - "Staal sucks and his value is crap, but we desperately want him because deep down we know he's a damn good player that has top 6 potential"
About any winger going to the Pens and having insane value because of potential goals being scored riding shot gun on Sid & Geno's wing - "His value is higher to the Pens, he may score 15 goals but there!? 50!!!!! BOOK IT!"
The Kunitz is a 3rd liner thing, is beyond hilarious though. If healthy, Kunitz has a 60pt season, that would put him 1st out of the Flyers left wingers. With his injury shortened season, his 23 goals puts him behind Hartnell, which still puts Kunitz in the Flyers top 6...
Kunitz is getting pretty underrated here. He can score around 25 goals and 50 points, while playing an extremely physical game and killing penalties. He brings a lot to the table.
I understand that Jackets fans would be hesitant to give up a core guy that works well with their team, but don't sell a good player short in the process.
Kunitz is getting pretty underrated here. He can score around 25 goals and 50 points, while playing an extremely physical game and killing penalties. He brings a lot to the table.
I understand that Jackets fans would be hesitant to give up a core guy that works well with their team, but don't sell a good player short in the process.
I don't think it's the Columbus fans selling him short?
At this point, Nash will take anything that makes his job easier, Carter does that for him so why wouldn't he? They just gave up a lot to get Carter, so duh, any team that did the same thing, would do that. But you ignored my question, I can see why, I wouldn't want to answer that either if I had to face the truth.
As for the last part...did you fail geography and math?
Look at the map, tell me why it would make sense for them to move to that conference...
Once you get it, give yourself a gold star.
Yes, I have no question Nash would re-sign again. No there is no link, because no one besides you seems to have a need to ask this question.
It would make sense for many reasons, among them is the relative weakness of the competition. I'm not denying they would have lower travel costs, nor better time slots for away games. The biggest impact would be the better record due to softer competition and increased revenues from regularly making the playoffs.
At this point, Nash will take anything that makes his job easier, Carter does that for him so why wouldn't he? They just gave up a lot to get Carter, so duh, any team that did the same thing, would do that. But you ignored my question, I can see why, I wouldn't want to answer that either if I had to face the truth.
Once again, your speculation is unneeded and uneducated. You can't read his mind and you can't produce a direct quote from him. All you're basing it off of is how you THINK the average NHL player behaves despite most likely not being one yourself. I can tell you the opposite because I've not only spoken with him in the past but know what he's doing this offseason. The amount of time he's spent with Howson and the coaches, you'd think they were married.
It your conjecture has no substance and no credibility. I mean, you lost all credibility when you claimed the Leafs were closer to a playoff spot!
Maple leafs find their way in every conversation somehow someway. Man I give their fans credit so passionate for a team that hasn't been relevant well at least not in my lifetime.
Once again, your speculation is unneeded and uneducated. You can't read his mind and you can't produce a direct quote from him. All you're basing it off of is how you THINK the average NHL player behaves despite most likely not being one yourself. I can tell you the opposite because I've not only spoken with him in the past but know what he's doing this offseason. The amount of time he's spent with Howson and the coaches, you'd think they were married.
It your conjecture has no substance and no credibility. I mean, you lost all credibility when you claimed the Leafs were closer to a playoff spot!
I'm sure you do.
Most likely - the majority of us posters here, 99.9% of us, are not NHL'ers. Including yourself and me.
And you are telling me that between the Jackets and Leafs, the Jackets are closer to a playoff team today than the Leafs are (which was my point and I am not a Leafs fan, at all)? That sort of speculation is done by fans all the time, on paper I think the additions of Connolly, Lombardi (if healthy), Franson, and Liles have more than an impact than losing Voracek, Hejda, Garon, Upshall and a few others for Carter, Martinek and Wisniewski.
Maple leafs find their way in every conversation somehow someway. Man I give their fans credit so passionate for a team that hasn't been relevant well at least not in my lifetime.
I didn't even bring them up, some guy just blurted out the whole hometown thing with Nash & Leafs because Umberger is from Pennsylvania and it's an "Umberger to Pittsburgh" proposal.
I threw out a scenario, completely realistic which is now being skewed beyond belief to hilarity and yeah...lol. I simply asked, if Nash was a UFA after the stuff that has happened, if he would still re-sign with the team, just like Umberger next summer because apparently, a player re-signing is almost a guarantee these days just because someone believes rumors to be true - I asked for a link, was never provided one of Howson saying he is working on an extension with RJ.
I guess we should still believe Jagr is signing with the Pens, because hell...rumors am I right?
Oh and a Flyers fan suddenly claims Kunitz is a 3rd liner, when he would be a top 6 left winger on his beloved team.
Jesus guys, one person said Kunitz was a third line winger. It wasn't a CBJ fan. CBJ fans just don't want to trade RJ Umberger - it doesn't mean they are selling Kunitz short. Lots of stupidity flying around in this thread.
To get a player who isn't available, a team must overpay for said player. That player is RJ Umberger in this case. Does that mean he's on a God-tier level? No. It just means it won't be a fair deal, hence the Jackets fans saying he won't be moved.
People are taking offense to things that they shouldn't.
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Originally Posted by OnlyTheBrave
I threw out a scenario, completely realistic which is now being skewed beyond belief to hilarity and yeah...lol. I simply asked, if Nash was a UFA after the stuff that has happened, if he would still re-sign with the team, just like Umberger next summer because apparently, a player re-signing is almost a guarantee these days just because someone believes rumors to be true - I asked for a link, was never provided one of Howson saying he is working on an extension with RJ.
How is the scenario realistic? Nash is not a UFA, so that alone makes the scenario unrealistic. Why are we talking about Nash anyways? It was an Umberger/Kunitz trade thread. I would be shocked if RJ didn't re-sign with the Jackets. RJ is a core player for the Jackets and those types of players are generally kept around. Stop making it sound like a ridiculous scenario - it's far more realistic than the one about Nash that you actually said was realistic.
Jesus guys, one person said Kunitz was a third line winger. It wasn't a CBJ fan. CBJ fans just don't want to trade RJ Umberger - it doesn't mean they are selling Kunitz short. Lots of stupidity flying around in this thread.
To get a player who isn't available, a team must overpay for said player. That player is RJ Umberger in this case. Does that mean he's on a God-tier level? No. It just means it won't be a fair deal, hence the Jackets fans saying he won't be moved.
Christ.
Hopefully come July 1st, 2012, he also doesn't re-sign with that team and wants to be on a contender instead.
Same could be said about Kunitz, but in his case, it would be about him being healthy in this line-up for once and playing 70+ games and taking a pay cut. If neither happens and he doesn't want to re-sign, he'll likely be gone July 1st or before that.
There is a situation in which both could become available and since both are UFA's next summer...the value that people are discussing is pretty insane for Umberger, but apparently a guy that has done better than him offensively in less games career wise, is worth less.
That's where most people that are defending Kunitz, are scratching their heads wondering what the hell is going on?
It seems like age and height are only brought up, yet everything else they are pretty identical except 1 is more physical and the other is more versatile.
the value that people are discussing is pretty insane for Umberger, but apparently a guy that has done better than him offensively in less games career wise, is worth less.
I don't know why you can't understand this.
The Blue Jackets do not want to trade RJ Umberger.
Good luck trying to get fair value for a player who isn't on the market. This has nothing to do with Chris Kunitz. Notice that I'm a Penguins fan too. Just not unbelievably dense and understanding of other teams not wanting to trade a core player.
Hopefully come July 1st, 2012, he also doesn't re-sign with that team and wants to be on a contender instead.
Same could be said about Kunitz, but in his case, it would be about him being healthy in this line-up for once and playing 70+ games and taking a pay cut. If neither happens and he doesn't want to re-sign, he'll likely be gone July 1st or before that.
There is a situation in which both could become available and since both are UFA's next summer...the value that people are discussing is pretty insane for Umberger, but apparently a guy that has done better than him offensively in less games career wise, is worth less.
That's where most people that are defending Kunitz, are scratching their heads wondering what the hell is going on?
It seems like age and height are only brought up, yet everything else they are pretty identical except 1 is more physical and the other is more versatile.
Well you made your point. You really want Umberger, and hope he doesn't re-sign in Columbus.
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