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07-07-2011, 05:56 PM
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I have a theory that the people who are convinced that size doesn't matter are actually midgets themselves.
No one has said size doesn't matter.

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07-07-2011, 05:56 PM
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6 pages of discussion for this AHL trade.
Only in habs land.

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07-07-2011, 06:00 PM
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I have a theory that the people who are convinced that size doesn't matter are actually midgets themselves.
I don't think I have seen quite the same polarizing on that side of the spectrum. Some people who are in the size and fighting camp, are, pretty much fanatics. While, I haven't observed too many people who are comparable on the other side, but rather, not really concerned with the matter.

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07-07-2011, 06:04 PM
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THN Future Watch Reports on Mike Blunden

2006:

4th on Chicago's Prospect list.

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The Hawks were thrilled Blunden was still on the board when they called upon to make the 43rd pick of the 2005 draft. Blunden has become an even more dangerous scorer this season in Erie after opening a lot of eye's at Chicago's camp. The fact he made Canada's WJC team endorsed that belief. "This kid is coming on," Tallon said. "He has a really good shot, is a good skater, finishes his checks and competes hard every shift."
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4th on Chicago's Prospect list. 68th overall

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In a call-up with the big club earlier this season that lasted nine games, Blunden did a lot of things that make the Hawks think he could become a regular. "He's a power forward who goes up and down his wing and hits guys," Tallon said. "Plus, he goes into traffic and gets goals, which is what we need." If there's one thing Blunden must improve on it is his quickness and that includes getting shots off quicker when he's around the net. Due to a shoulder injury, Blunden is out for the rest of the season.
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6th on Chicago's list.

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A budding power forward, he's rebounding from last year's shoulder injury.

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9th on Columbus list.

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Budding power forward stagnated on the bench in Chicago's system.

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07-07-2011, 06:06 PM
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While, I haven't observed to many people who are comparable on the other side, but rather, not really concerned with the matter.
Given the results over the years, if any group is going to be defined as dumb it should be those who have been in denial about the need to get bigger.

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07-07-2011, 06:07 PM
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Have you ever seen Conboy fight? He would get killed in the NHL. This business of trying to throw a haymaker everytime you punch will backfire against NHL calibre players. So if he can't fight, kill penalties or play on the PP, how is he a better option than other players?

Because he's big and beat up a football player in University

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07-07-2011, 06:11 PM
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I want bigger meaner players on the team, but i'm not going to cry if it doesn't happen. This Blunden guy, he's a Patch type of player, but has never and will likely never reach his cealing, realy happy Russel got us this kid.

This team needs to get MEANER, not necesarly bigger.

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07-07-2011, 06:16 PM
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Given the results over the years, if any group is going to be defined as dumb it should be those who have been in denial about the need to get bigger.
Once again, I don't see anyone clamoring for more small players, and a lot of people are not in denial/opposed to getting bigger. There is a difference between sacrificing everything in the dire need to get bigger players or fighters, and realizing there is a bigger picture at play than solely getting these types of players.

Taking it to the extreme like suggesting the Habs are purposely keeping Conboy or Schultz off the NHL team despite them clearly not being NHL caliber players is something you will not see on the other side of the spectrum.

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07-07-2011, 06:19 PM
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The sooner you realize people are stupid the easier it gets. Who cares about other people's opinion, everyone has an opinion, and they're entitled to share it.

If you're able to go cheer for another team, then more power to you, but for people like me (and millions out there), this team is apart of me and nothing will ever come close. I can't change my team, and I don't care what people think about them. Born a Habs fan, and I'll die a Habs fan.
Amen. As much as I get aggravated with some moves by management, I am a Habs fan for life...............win or lose.

Blunden will be a good player in a couple of years. Love his approach to the game.

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07-07-2011, 06:26 PM
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I like the trade. While I might be underestimating Russell who was effective, I like that we get bigger in Hamilton and there is some offensive upside there for the Dogs. I remember how he was part of the famous "B" drafts of the Hawks when in 04 and 05, Hawks drafted Barker, Bolland, Bickell, Berti, Brouwer, Blunden, Bertram and Brophey....though not that it's an exacty recipe of success. I thought he would have been better than he was but at this point, good to have a guy with size for the Dogs who will contribute.

As far as with the Habs, we will see, one step at a time. But I believe it's a good acquisition.

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07-07-2011, 06:42 PM
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The only one that is brain washed is you. Conboy was not ready last year. Moreover, if the Canadiens were truly against physicality and toughness, they would have not called up White and kept on the team for the entire season. Nor would they play Moen or acquired Mara.

Conboy was not good enough to replace anyone on the bottom 6 last year, including Pyatt. This year we'll see what happens.

Your conspiracy is poorly formulated and has many holes in its logic.

There is literally nothing to complain about. You wanted a top6 winger with size and you got one. You wanted a bottom 6 winger who is physical with size and you got one. It's kind of hilarious how you are still trying to stretch this out as though it is something bad. In fact, it's just down right pathetic.

It's either you are a troll or just a massive complainer(now cue the "I'm not satisfied with 1st round exits, but you are" comment.)
But in reality, we did have a first round exit.....but I digress.

Plekmaniac may not be 100% right but he does have a valid point that cannot be dismissed by your post. Last year's team was lacking toughness and teams like the Sabres, Flyers (Bruins---does it even need to be said?) Pens all pushed us around during the regular season. Pyatt, who was deemed worthy to be on the team last year while shown to the door this year, probably should have been sent down to Hamilton to work on his scoring skills as he was not contributing to the team either with scoring or toughness.

Conboy COULD have been pulled up and used in limited situations to acclimate him to the NHL. AND, he could have been used when we played the teams that like to take liberties with our forwards.

To do that would take a GM who is willing to take a risk. And there is precedence that shows a young kid coming from the AHL can develop into a solid player. If you look at Adam McQuaid's AHL stats and his stats from his brief stint with the Bruins, one would think that he needed more time in the AHL. Instead, Chiarelli gave him a chance (based on team need) and McQuaid, unfortunately, became a good DMan for the Bruins.

I do hope that Blunden gets a chance to play with the Habs this season. I do think that he will end up in Hamilton though. The kid has a great upside.

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07-07-2011, 06:48 PM
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Have you ever seen Conboy fight? He would get killed in the NHL. This business of trying to throw a haymaker everytime you punch will backfire against NHL calibre players. So if he can't fight, kill penalties or play on the PP, how is he a better option than other players?
He's not exactly huge himself. He's what, 6'3-6'4, 200-210 lbs? It's not like he's going to be a designated heavy weight.

I'm pretty sure it'll at least keep guys like Marchand away from nasty checks and talking too much. And scrum specialists from targetting certain players.

Conboy is a bit crazy, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't give a flying **** about going to the box if he sees someone talk a run at Subban or the likes.

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I like the trade...

On the Conboy/Schultz issue. People shouldn't write these guys off this early. Fighting takes time to develop and that development is tested each time a player advances a level/league.

These guys will both gain confidence with age and when they know all of their opponents better. They have the potential and everyone is tougher at 28 than they were at age 22 or whatever.

The off-season is the best time for people to indulge in their self-perceived Habs Apocalypse.

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07-07-2011, 06:51 PM
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He's not exactly huge himself. He's what, 6'3-6'4, 200-210 lbs? It's not like he's going to be a designated heavy weight.

I'm pretty sure it'll at least keep guys like Marchand away from nasty checks and talking too much. And scrum specialists from targetting certain players.

Conboy is a bit crazy, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't give a flying **** about going to the box if he sees someone talk a run at Subban or the likes.
He's more of a Max Lapierre with some more gritt and less skillz, **** disturber who will likely loose his fights.

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07-07-2011, 06:55 PM
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a minor move, but i like it...

Blunden is a prospect I've had my eye on for a while, could be a solid late-bloomer and if not he's a serviceable AHLer who provides some toughness/size.

Russell is a good hockey player, but as much if not more of a long-shot to make it as an NHL and given our roster/organizational depth chart, hard to see how he'd ever get a shot.

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07-07-2011, 06:59 PM
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a minor move, but i like it...

Blunden is a prospect I've had my eye on for a while, could be a solid late-bloomer and if not he's a serviceable AHLer who provides some toughness/size.

Russell is a good hockey player, but as much if not more of a long-shot to make it as an NHL and given our roster/organizational depth chart, hard to see how he'd ever get a shot.
Actualy is there another big guy who can fill in the NHL in our system?

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Actualy is there another big guy who can fill in the NHL in our system?
Not our system but, NHL, YES! Brad Winchester.

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07-07-2011, 07:58 PM
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Most of the goals he scores are garbage goals by rushing to the net, I wouldn't say no to a big forward willing to do the dirty work.



Most of the goals?

Those are his only NHL goals + preseason goal

He has scored 2 goals in 51 career games

As a Hawk fan I saw Blunden enough in NHL/AHL to tell you all he will be is an NHL/AHL tweener.. Only reason he played so many games for Jackets during 09/10 was because Hitchcock was big fan of his effort/heart and kept playing him even when he didn't deserve it... After Hitchcock was fired he finished out the year for Jackets coming back up from minors because of injury

He is nothing more then an AHL 3rd liner who will make appearances in NHL occasionally as injury fill in

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Most of the goals?

Those are his only NHL goals + preseason goal

He has scored 2 goals in 51 career games

As a Hawk fan I saw Blunden enough in NHL/AHL to tell you all he will be is an NHL/AHL tweener.. Only reason he played so many games for Jackets during 09/10 was because Hitchcock was big fan of his effort/heart and kept playing him even when he didn't deserve it... After Hitchcock was fired he finished out the year for Jackets coming back up from minors because of injury

He is nothing more then an AHL 3rd liner who will make appearances in NHL occasionally as injury fill in
Both those goals are from the AHL fwiw.

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Both those goals are from the AHL fwiw.
I Should have watched them

Figured 2 goals would be his NHL goals ,, Those dont seem to be on Youtube

Still point remains I saw him with Hawk/Hogs and then playing for Jackets... He isn't anything much

As far as him as a prospect as one person said ,, He doesn't really have any upside

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Can anyone remind of these games where the Sabres and Pens pushed us around?

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dont see nothin wrong wtih this trade, at all.

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I Should have watched them

Figured 2 goals would be his NHL goals ,, Those dont seem to be on Youtube

Still point remains I saw him with Hawk/Hogs and then playing for Jackets... He isn't anything much

As far as him as a prospect as one person said ,, He doesn't really have any upside
His 2nd NHL goal was arguably highlight reel caliber which is nice to see. I wouldn't mind testing him on the 4th line to see if he continues to hit at the pace he has in the NHL and not be a liability on the ice. He's no fighter but 4th line physical presence is always welcome.

Meh why not, here's a compilation with more highlights of him:


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07-07-2011, 11:08 PM
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His top gear seems fine, but his acceleration is a problem. He clearly has strength and hands.

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No lose type of deal.
Big body? = check
Likes to hit? = check
Can skate decent for a 4th liner? = check
Not adverse to dropping the gloves? = check

That's fine as a fourth liner for me. As long as he shows, in time, to be responsible defensively, I will take that over Tom Pyatt any day of the week.

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